WHY athiests/agnostics "persist."

[G.T.]

Life is a journey about finding truth.

I am an agnostic and will question how we got here until the truth is somehow revealed to me.

The truth has not been revealed to me; therefore, I persist.

I question Religion because it is faith based and unprovable. It also seems a bit odd to me that some people are literalists about their bible, while some people feel its half non fiction and half parable.

I also feel much of it is quite frivolous - and that if there were an omnipotent being it would not engage in such frivolity.

Partially - another reason for persistence - is that its annoying. When answer seeking to try to determine why people would believe in the books, they point to scriptures like the ones that say (paraphrasing) "beware, people will question the authenticity."

As though thats some sort of prophesy and proof as opposed to common damn sense that people will question it.

Anyhoo - in case anyone is confused as to why i personally persist -> im a truth seeker. Thats why.

Its dismissable that i will not "accept" evidence.

I once did not believe that a wireless phone signal could exist.
the truth was revealed to me, and i accepted it based on said revelation.
i treat all things in life based on same.

 

[Pennywise]

I consider myself agnostic and have no common ground with atheists. The two are exclusive in my book.

I also consider the possibility that God exists, but one must be properly enlightened in order to grasp and accept what to people of faith, is self-evident. Maybe they are just more in tune to the spiritual world than you or me.

 

[G.T.]

I consider myself agnostic and have no common ground with atheists. The two are exclusive in my book.

I also consider the possibility that God exists, but one must be properly enlightened in order to grasp and accept what to people of faith, is self-evident. Maybe they are just more in tune to the spiritual world than you or me.

And maybe theyre gullible and there isnt one. Seems a worthy task in life to find out, thats all.

 

[thebrucebeat]

I consider myself agnostic and have no common ground with atheists. The two are exclusive in my book.

I also consider the possibility that God exists, but one must be properly enlightened in order to grasp and accept what to people of faith, is self-evident. Maybe they are just more in tune to the spiritual world than you or me.

How are they exclusive?
One is concerned with what you believe, the other with what you can know. How are they in conflict?
Agnostic atheists and agnostic theists are both agnostic.
It is more a statement of humility.
See my signature for a good, simple explanation.

 

[G.T.]

I believe it IS an issue of humility.

That is why the discussion gets so intense.

When a person passes off some ill worded fantastical phrase in defense of why they believe, it can be off putting. It usually devolves.

I think that a lot of anecdotal stories like a personal miracle, for instance, are off putting too because it seems just a "mental decision," and not hard proof, to assign the miracle as coming from God, etc. And not just happenstance.

 

[G.T.]

Thanks for the perspective / reasoned responses so far homeys.

 

[Clement]

When a person passes off some ill worded fantastical phrase in defense of why they believe, it can be off putting.

In my experience there is nothing that pisses people off more than someone who knows what they believe and why they believe it.

 

[G.T.]

When a person passes off some ill worded fantastical phrase in defense of why they believe, it can be off putting.

In my experience there is nothing that pisses people off more than someone who knows what they believe and why they believe it.

That doesn't piss me, personally, off.

It only pisses me off if the "why" has not merit.

 

[Pennywise]

I consider myself agnostic and have no common ground with atheists. The two are exclusive in my book.

I also consider the possibility that God exists, but one must be properly enlightened in order to grasp and accept what to people of faith, is self-evident. Maybe they are just more in tune to the spiritual world than you or me.

How are they exclusive?
One is concerned with what you believe, the other with what you can know. How are they in conflict?
Agnostic atheists and agnostic theists are both agnostic.
It is more a statement of humility.
See my signature for a good, simple explanation.

I've read of agnostic atheists, but find the idea bogus. In simple terms, an Atheist believes God is an invention of men, a Theist believes God is real, and an Agnostic has perhaps seen no proof of God but considers the concept a possibility and understands his limited capability in discerning an absolute truth.

Agnostic Atheist is actually the weakest and most arrogant position. I think Agnostics however can be subdivided into those who are seekers and those who are indifferent.

I truly wish I had faith. Life would be much simpler.

 

[HelenaHandbag]

I consider myself agnostic and have no common ground with atheists. The two are exclusive in my book.

I also consider the possibility that God exists, but one must be properly enlightened in order to grasp and accept what to people of faith, is self-evident. Maybe they are just more in tune to the spiritual world than you or me.

^^^
This here.

Though agnostic, radical militant atheists make me want to whop them upside the head with a salmon.

I am neither threatened nor offended about a manger scene during Christmas, "In God We Trust" on the money, or any of the other petty nonsense that the atheist howler monkeys get themselves all in a later about.

 

[thebrucebeat]

I consider myself agnostic and have no common ground with atheists. The two are exclusive in my book.

I also consider the possibility that God exists, but one must be properly enlightened in order to grasp and accept what to people of faith, is self-evident. Maybe they are just more in tune to the spiritual world than you or me.

How are they exclusive?
One is concerned with what you believe, the other with what you can know. How are they in conflict?
Agnostic atheists and agnostic theists are both agnostic.
It is more a statement of humility.
See my signature for a good, simple explanation.

I've read of agnostic atheists, but find the idea bogus. In simple terms, an Atheist believes God is an invention of men, a Theist believes God is real, and an Agnostic has perhaps seen no proof of God but considers the concept a possibility and understands his limited capability in discerning an absolute truth.

Agnostic Atheist is actually the weakest and most arrogant position. I think Agnostics however can be subdivided into those who are seekers and those who are indifferent.

I truly wish I had faith. Life would be much simpler.

Agnostics simply acknowledge they can't "know".
Some believe, some don't.
It isn't any more complicated than that.

 

[G.T.]

I understand the frustration from both sides.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

When a person passes off some ill worded fantastical phrase in defense of why they believe, it can be off putting.

In my experience there is nothing that pisses people off more than someone who knows what they believe and why they believe it.

Then your experience is extremely limited.

No one takes issue with someone who knows what he believes and why he believes it.

Conflict manifests when arrogant theists work to compel others to believe as they believe by seeking to codify religious dogma in secular law.

 

[HelenaHandbag]

When a person passes off some ill worded fantastical phrase in defense of why they believe, it can be off putting.

In my experience there is nothing that pisses people off more than someone who knows what they believe and why they believe it.

Then your experience is extremely limited.

No one takes issue with someone who knows what he believes and why he believes it.

Conflict manifests when arrogant theists work to compel others to believe as they believe by seeking to codify religious dogma in secular law.

Or arrogant radical militant atheists, who seek to do exactly the same thing.

I have little doubt that a pretentious progressive prattlebag like you gives them a pass, though.

 

[Clement]

It only pisses me off if the "why" has not merit.

...as subjectively assesed by you?

 

[G.T.]

It only pisses me off if the "why" has not merit.

...as subjectively assesed by you?

Shoukd i be forming my opinions based on someone else's brain?

Ohhhhh got me!

/sigh

 

[Clement]

Your knowledge of my experience is pretty limited, too.

Conflict manifests when arrogant theists work to compel others to believe as they believe by seeking to codify religious dogma in secular law.

Would you like a little cheese to go with that whine? In my universe it's arrogant atheists who are constantly filing lawsuits to see to it that Christian symbols are eradicated from the face of the earth.

 

[G.T.]

Your knowledge of my experience is pretty limited, too.

Conflict manifests when arrogant theists work to compel others to believe as they believe by seeking to codify religious dogma in secular law.

Would you like a little cheese to go with that whine? In my universe it's arrogant atheists who are constantly filing lawsuits to see to it that Christian symbols are eradicated from the face of the earth.

Or just from their tax payer funded properties, which makes sense to have beef with.

 

[Clement]

It only pisses me off if the "why" has not merit.

...as subjectively assesed by you?

Shoukd i be forming my opinions based on someone else's brain?

Ohhhhh got me!

/sigh

It's me having to form MY opinions based on what you think that I object to.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

I consider myself agnostic and have no common ground with atheists. The two are exclusive in my book.

I also consider the possibility that God exists, but one must be properly enlightened in order to grasp and accept what to people of faith, is self-evident. Maybe they are just more in tune to the spiritual world than you or me.

^^^
This here.

Though agnostic, radical militant atheists make me want to whop them upside the head with a salmon.

I am neither threatened nor offended about a manger scene during Christmas, "In God We Trust" on the money, or any of the other petty nonsense that the atheist howler monkeys get themselves all in a later about.

That you and others on the right are ignorant of, or hostile to, Establishment Clause jurisprudence comes as no surprise.