Zone1 Was Rabbi Nachman of Breslov a "King Solomon" sort of teacher?

Did Messiah Yeshua - Jesus give to Rabbi Nachman greater wisdom than that of King Solomon?

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  • I sure do hope that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus would like Rabbi Nachman?!

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  • Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus, allowed the Holocaust to occur, and so obviously hates us Jews!

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Although I am Messianic Jewish, [ or perhaps MessyAntik Jewish], I regard that Rabbi Nachman of Breslov was a recipient of a promise from Rabbi Yeshua -Jesus to his listeners, [as well as to their children, grandchildren and great grandchildren]?


In a way, similar to Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus, Rabbi Nachman of Breslov was an intellect who could be compared with King Solomon, and frankly as even greater than King Solomon/

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father." [John 14: 12]

On the negative side the greatest teachers write and speak in such a way that what they are really trying to get across to their students or disciples, is pretty easy to terribly misunderstand.

[Rabbi Nachman of Breslov] .... JOY

It is a great mitzvah to always be happy. (LM2 34)

It is even good to do silly things in order to cheer oneself up. (ibid)

It is good to set aside a specific time everyday to be heartbroken and to speak out all ones problems before God, but the rest of the day be only happy. (ibid)

The essential joy comes from mitzvot. (LM 30:5)


ENCOURAGEMENT AND TESHUVA

When a person enters into service of Hashem and sees it is so hard for him, and it seems as if they are distancing him from above and not allowing him at all to enter, he should know that all this feeling of being “distanced” is truthfully only his being “drawn near”. He must remain very very strong not to be discouraged even if many years of hard work go by and he still feels that he is very far and that he didn’t even begin to enter into the gates of holiness, for he sees that he is full of materialism, evil thoughts and the like, and every time he tries to do something holy it is so hard for him and all his crying and pleading with God seems to be going to waste… On all this he needs great courage not to pay attention to these delusions at all. Because all this “distancing”, in truth, is only his “drawing near”, and all the great tzaddikim had to go through this kind of experience before they reached their level. (LM2 48)

You need to have great stubbornness in the service of Hashem (ibid)

And know! A person has to pass a very very narrow bridge, the main thing is to have no fear at all (ibid)

There is no despair in the world! (LM2 78)

If you believe that you can destroy, believe you can fix. (LM2 112)

You need to greatly encourage yourself in His service as much as you can, even if you are the way you are, you should rely on His abundantly great mercy which is beyond limit, for certainly he will not forsake you, no matter how badly you’ve acted. The past doesn’t exist. The main thing is that from now on you honestly resolve not to do it again. (LM2 49)

This is a great principal in Avodas Hashem – That a person has to begin everyday anew. (LM 261)

When a person falls from his level he should know that it’s heaven-sent, because going down is needed in order to go up, therefore he fell, in order that he arouses himself more to come close to Hashem. Advice for him - Begin anew to enter into service of Hashem as if you have never yet even begun (Ibid)

Whenever a person rises from one level to the next, it necessitates that he first has a descent before the ascent. Because the purpose of any descent is always in order to ascend. (LM 22)

There is a lot to talk about here (in the above topic). Because each person who fell to the place where he fell thinks that these words weren’t spoken for him, for he imagines that these ideas are only for great people who are always climbing from one level to the next. But truthfully, you should know and believe, that all these words were also said concerning the smallest of the small and the worst of the worst, for Hashem is forever good to all. (Ibid as quoted in LE)

It is a great thing for a person to still have an evil inclination because then he is able to serve Hashem with the evil inclination itself. That is, to take all of the fire in his heart and channel it towards service of Hashem. For example, to pray with fiery passion of the heart, etc. For, if there is no evil inclination in a person his service cannot be complete. (LM2 49)

A person must know that “Gods glory fills the entire world” (Isiah 6), and “There is no place void of Him” (Tikunei Zohar), and “He fills all worlds and surrounds all worlds” (Zohar)… even in the most defiled places there is godliness, for He gives life to everything as it says, “And you give life to everything” (Nechemia 9). So even if a person is stuck in the lowest of places he cannot excuse himself and say “I cannot serve Hashem here because of all the thickness and materialism that attacks me always,” for even there you can find Him and cling to Him and do complete teshuva, “For it is not far from you” (devarim 30), only that in this place there are many garments.”(LM 33)

This is the Tikun Haklali, the complete fixing. Whoever destroys his sexual impulse, it will be easy for him to get rid of his other evil desires. For all other impulses stem from this one. (LM 36)




 
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"This is the Tikun Haklali, the complete fixing. Whoever destroys his sexual impulse, it will be easy for him to get rid of his other evil desires. For all other impulses stem from this one. "(LM 36)
No, this is not another Solomon who had 700 wives and 300 concubines. He sounds lost.

Sexual attraction is not evil.

Lust is a perversion of suppressed natural desires essential to the survival of the species.
 
No, this is not another Solomon who had 700 wives and 300 concubines. He sounds lost.

Sexual attraction is not evil.

Lust is a perversion of suppressed natural desires essential to the survival of the species.


I have to admit that I personally was having some trouble with that particular saying by Rabbi Nachman of Breslov myself!


I deeply appreciate your making this exceptionally insightful comment that I do believe has amazing validity.

The Apostle Paul of the first century Messianic Jewish and Messianic Gentile movement made similar comments that can so easily be terribly misunderstood!
 
The Apostle Paul of the first century Messianic Jewish and Messianic Gentile movement made similar comments that can so easily be terribly misunderstood!
Paul openly exhorted early Christians to SUBMIT to the governing authorities when Nero was Caesar OR ELSE. This is something that Jesus would have never said or done.

Jesus preferred crucifixion to losing his soul for a few more years of life, living in shame.

A few years later Nero organized and initiated the first of many Christian persecutions.
 
Paul openly exhorted early Christians to SUBMIT to the governing authorities when Nero was Caesar OR ELSE. This is something that Jesus would have never said or done.

Jesus preferred crucifixion to losing his soul for a few more years of life, living in shame.

A few years later Nero organized and initiated the first of many Christian persecutions.


Wow!!!!!

The gifted Christian visionary Rick Joyner reports meeting The Apostle Paul in a vision of heaven that reminds me of a near death experience account on so many levels.

The three books, "The Final Quest," "The Call," and "The Torch and the Sword," remind me of Acts chapter ten being continued and continued and continued and continued...... Rick Joyner can be compared with C. S. Lewis for many reasons.


[Pastor Rick Joyner, The Final Quest]....

The Apostles Advice

I then felt compelled to look at those who were sitting on the thrones we were passing. As I did, my gaze fell upon a man I knew was the apostle Paul. As I looked back at the Lord, He motioned for me to speak to him.

“I have so looked forward to this,” I said, feeling awkward but excited by this meeting. “I know that you are aware of how much your letters have guided the church, and they are probably still accomplishing more than all the rest of us put together. You are still one of the greatest lights on earth.” “Thank you,” he said graciously. “But you do not understand just how much we have looked forward to meeting all of you. You are soldiers in the last battle; you are the ones everyone here is waiting to meet. We only saw these days dimly through our limited prophetic vision, but you have been chosen to live in them. You are soldiers preparing for the last battle. You are the ones we have all been waiting for.”

Still feeling awkward, I continued, “But there is no way that I can convey the appreciation we feel for you and for the others who helped set our course with their lives and their writings. I also know we will have an eternity for exchanging our appreciation, so please, while I am here, let me ask, ‘What would you say to my generation that will help us in this battle?”

“I can only say to you now what I have already said to you through my writings,” Paul stated, looking me resolutely in the eyes. “However, you will understand them better if you realize that I fell short of all that I was called to do.”

“But you are here, on one of the greatest thrones!” I protested. “You are still’ reaping more fruit for eternal life than any of us could ever hope to reap.”

“By the grace of God I was able to finish my course, but I still did not walk in all that I was called to. I fell short of the highest purposes I could have walked in—everyone has. I know that some would practically consider it blasphemy to think of me as anything less than the greatest example of Christian ministry, yet I was being honest when I wrote near the end of my life that I was the greatest of sinners. I was not saying that I had been the greatest of sinners, but rather that I was the greatest of sinners then. Even though I had been given so much understanding, I walked in comparatively little of it.”

“How could that possibly be?” I asked. “I thought you were just being humble.”

“True humility is agreement with the truth. Do not fear. My letters were true, and they were written by the anointing of the Holy Spirit. However, I was given so much, and I did not use all that I was given. I, too, fell short. Everyone here has fallen short, except One. The reason you must see this particularly about me is that many are still distorting my teachings, because they have a distorted view of me.”

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Wow!!!!!

The gifted Christian visionary Rick Joyner reports meeting The Apostle Paul in a vision of heaven that reminds me of a near death experience account on so many levels.
I do not doubt the reality of near death experiences. I have had my own. That being said, remember, "Satan has been given permission to sift you all like wheat." Paul replaced Judas, right? Paul promoted the exact same literal interpretation of the Law that Jesus lived and died opposing even though he also said that Jesus abolished the Law by fulfilling it.

What does that tell you?

The three books, "The Final Quest," "The Call," and "The Torch and the Sword," remind me of Acts chapter ten being continued and continued and continued and continued...... Rick Joyner can be compared with C. S. Lewis for many reasons.
I'll have to look into it. C.S. Lewis is one of my favorites...
 
I do not doubt the reality of near death experiences. I have had my own. That being said, remember, "Satan has been given permission to sift you all like wheat." Paul replaced Judas, right? Paul promoted the exact same literal interpretation of the Law that Jesus lived and died opposing even though he also said that Jesus abolished the Law.

What does that tell you?


I'll have to look into it. C.S. Lewis is one of my favorites...


Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


"The Lord is now preparing courageous leaders who
will be willing to fight a spiritual civil war in order to set men free.
The main issue, as in the American Civil War, will be slavery versus
freedom. The secondary issue, which will be the primary issue for some,
will be money.

Just as the American Civil War at time looked like it would destroy the entire
nation, that which is coming upon the church will sometimes appear as if it will
bring the end of the church. However, just as the United States not only
survived but went on to become the most powerful nation on earth, the same
is going to happen to the church. The church will not be destroyed, but the institutions
and doctrines that have kept men in spiritual slavery will be" (Rick Joyner, The Vision, page 39)

Getting close to something like a "Civil War" can make life rather dangerous for Jews?


 
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