Was Hillary even more MAGA than Trump in 2008?

[Votto]

Oh, the webs we weave!!!

 

[OODA_Loop]

She is anything she needs to be when she needs to be it.

Except President.

 

[JoeB131]

I'm not seeing a problem with anything she said.

Everyone thinks that we should deport the actual criminals.

But if you obey the law, learn English, work hard, you should have a path to citizenship. This wasn't a crazy position, it was the position of sensible Republicans and Democrats for years.

 

[Edgetho]

Hillary was born an evil scrunt and she will die one. Sooner rather than later would be good. Painfully as well

 

[Darkwind]

I'm not seeing a problem with anything she said.

Everyone thinks that we should deport the actual criminals.

But if you obey the law, learn English, work hard, you should have a path to citizenship. This wasn't a crazy position, it was the position of sensible Republicans and Democrats for years.

I think that if you enter this country illegally, you should be barred from citizenship for the rest of your natural life.

 

[JoeB131]

I think that if you enter this country illegally, you should be barred from citizenship for the rest of your natural life.

You see, that's the problem.

"We should deport the criminals.'

"We agree, no one wants actual criminals."

"AHA- sneaking into the country is technically a crime, so we should round them all up. And some people who entered legally, but made mistakes on their paperwork, while we are at it."

 

[berg80]

I'm not seeing a problem with anything she said.

Everyone thinks that we should deport the actual criminals.

But if you obey the law, learn English, work hard, you should have a path to citizenship. This wasn't a crazy position, it was the position of sensible Republicans and Democrats for years.

It was more than a sensible position. It would have been the law of the land had John Boehner not blocked the immigration reform bill that the Senate passed from coming to the floor of the House for a vote.

The “Border Security, Economic Opportunity, and Immigration Modernization Act,” or S. 744, is a broad-based proposal for reforming the U.S. immigration system written by a bipartisan group of eight Senators known as the “Gang of Eight.” Senators Charles Schumer (D-NY), John McCain (R-AZ), Richard Durbin (D-IL), Lindsey Graham (R-SC), Robert Menendez (D-NJ), Marco Rubio (R-FL), Michael Bennet (D-CO), and Jeff Flake (R-AZ) drafted S. 744 in the spring of 2013. The bill addresses all aspects of the immigration process from border and enforcement issues to legal immigration reforms. It makes changes to the family and employment-based visa categories for immigrants, provides critical due-process protections, increases the availability of nonimmigrant workers to supplement all sectors of the workforce, and provides legal status to 11 million undocumented immigrants within the United States. The Senators intended this legislation to address these issues “…by finally committing the resources needed to secure the border, modernize and streamline our current legal immigration system, while creating a tough but fair legalization program for individuals who are currently here.”

If enacted, S. 744 would require that a series of enforcement measures, or “triggers,” go into effect prior to completing the legalization process. For example, although undocumented immigrants will be allowed to register for the new Registered Provisional Immigrant (RPI) program almost immediately, before those in RPI status can apply to become lawful permanent residents the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) must certify that the Comprehensive Southern Border Security Strategy is deployed and operational, 700 miles of fencing is complete, 38,405 border patrol agents are deployed, and the E-Verify employment verification system is in place, among other requirements. The Development, Relief, and Education for Alien Minors Act (DREAM Act) and Agricultural Job Opportunities, Benefits, and Security Act (AgJobs) are both incorporated into the RPI program, but applicants who qualify under those provisions will be eligible to obtain legal permanent resident status more rapidly.

A Guide to S.744: Understanding the 2013 Senate Immigration Bill - American Immigration Council

This guide to provide policymakers, the media, and the public with an easy-to-understand guide to the main components of S. 744 and the purpose behind them.

www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org

Unfortunately, because trumples love to wallow in ignorance, they will not take the time to read what was in the bill. Legislation that, had it become law, would have provided for greater border security, provisions to prevent employers from hiring illegal aliens, and created a path to citizenship for those who qualified under the rules of the bill.

But then, as is the case now, Repubs don't want comprehensive reform. They want to use immigration to get the base out to the voting booths.

Had the bill passed in the House Obama had already stated he would have signed it.

 

[pknopp]

I think that if you enter this country illegally, you should be barred from citizenship for the rest of your natural life.

How about come legally but then do something that violates your reason for being here?

 

[skews13]

Oh, the webs we weave!!!

He's right. Hillary Clinton is a conservative. She's just not a right wing nutjob.

 

[JoeB131]

It was more than a sensible position. It would have been the law of the land had John Boehner not blocked the immigration reform bill that the Senate passed from coming to the floor of the House for a vote.

Unfortunately, because trumples love to wallow in ignorance, they will not take the time to read what was in the bill. Legislation that, had it become law, would have provided for greater border security, provisions to prevent employers from hiring illegal aliens, and created a path to citizenship for those who qualified under the rules of the bill.

But then, as is the case now, Repubs don't want comprehensive reform. They want to use immigration to get the base out to the voting booths.

Okay, here's where I am going to deviate from the orthodoxy a bit.

Nothing was keeping Bush, Obama, or Biden from keeping the undocumented out. Just enforce the laws that we have.

The problem is, they all, for whatever reason, wanted more undocumented people to come in.

The untold story of 2024 is the three groups that shifted dramatically to Trump.

1) Hispanics, who shifted from 32% for Trump to 46% for Trump
2) Asians, who shifted from 34% for Trump to 40% for Trump.
3) People making under $50,000 a year, who shifted from 44% for Trump to 50% for Trump.

These were the communities most severely impacted by immigration, and they rebelled against it.

We've been waiting for Congress to fix immigration since the nineties. It wasn't going to happen.

So Biden pretty much let Trump have the issue.

 

[AyeCantSeeYou]

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