Want Peace? End The Occupation

[MJB12741]

The occupation is the root cause of this ongoing conflict between Israel & the Palestinian squatters. Peace will come only when & if Israel ends the occupation by finding an incentive to offer the surrounding Arab countries to grant their Palestinians a right of return back to their indigenous homelands. Call it a One State Solution. LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!

 

[HistoryBefore67]

Define "the occupation."

 

[OnePercenter]

The occupation is the root cause of this ongoing conflict between Israel & the Palestinian squatters. Peace will come only when & if Israel ends the occupation by finding an incentive to offer the surrounding Arab countries to grant their Palestinians a right of return back to their indigenous homelands. Call it a One State Solution. LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!

How about Nuevo Jerusalem

 

[georgephillip]

The occupation is the root cause of this ongoing conflict between Israel & the Palestinian squatters. Peace will come only when & if Israel ends the occupation by finding an incentive to offer the surrounding Arab countries to grant their Palestinians a right of return back to their indigenous homelands. Call it a One State Solution. LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!

Where's Sharon when you really need him?

"Shortly before the outbreak of (the Six Day) war, elements within the IDF considered a military coup[disputed – discuss] against the Israeli government, which would have been followed by the new military government ordering a unilateral attack against the Arab nations.

"The idea was that of Major-General Ariel Sharon, who discussed it with other senior officers. While no definitive plans were ever drawn up, the idea was given serious consideration.

In the days before the war, the Israeli cabinet was indecisive over whether to follow through with the planned preemptive attack or pursue diplomacy, with military advisers pressing for an attack. Many pro-war officials felt that an Arab invasion of Israel was imminent, and that to delay a paralyzing first strike would be a serious threat to Israel.

"Sharon and other military officials felt that the civilian government would be unable to reach a necessary decision. On May 28, 1967, eight days before the war began, Sharon met with IDF Chief of Staff Yitzhak Rabin and other senior officials. He advised them that the cabinet could be detained, a coup declared, and the planned unilateral strike against the Arab nations to be implemented. Rabin showed no opposition to the idea."

Six-Day War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[toastman]

The occupation is the root cause of this ongoing conflict between Israel & the Palestinian squatters. Peace will come only when & if Israel ends the occupation by finding an incentive to offer the surrounding Arab countries to grant their Palestinians a right of return back to their indigenous homelands. Call it a One State Solution. LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!

Where's Sharon when you really need him?

"Shortly before the outbreak of (the Six Day) war, elements within the IDF considered a military coup[disputed – discuss] against the Israeli government, which would have been followed by the new military government ordering a unilateral attack against the Arab nations.

"The idea was that of Major-General Ariel Sharon, who discussed it with other senior officers. While no definitive plans were ever drawn up, the idea was given serious consideration.

In the days before the war, the Israeli cabinet was indecisive over whether to follow through with the planned preemptive attack or pursue diplomacy, with military advisers pressing for an attack. Many pro-war officials felt that an Arab invasion of Israel was imminent, and that to delay a paralyzing first strike would be a serious threat to Israel.

"Sharon and other military officials felt that the civilian government would be unable to reach a necessary decision. On May 28, 1967, eight days before the war began, Sharon met with IDF Chief of Staff Yitzhak Rabin and other senior officials. He advised them that the cabinet could be detained, a coup declared, and the planned unilateral strike against the Arab nations to be implemented. Rabin showed no opposition to the idea."

Six-Day War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

From your link:

Between 1966 and 1967 Israel’s borders saw repeated Arab terrorist attacks and Syrian military activity

On the eve of the war, Egypt massed approximately 100,000 of its 160,000 troops in the Sinai, including all of its seven divisions (four infantry, two armored and one mechanized), four independent infantry brigades and four independent armored brigades. No fewer than a third of them were veterans of Egypt's intervention into the Yemen Civil War and another third were reservists. These forces had 950 tanks, 1,100 APCs and more than 1,000 artillery pieces.[78]

At the same time some Egyptian troops (15,000–20,000) were still fighting in Yemen.[79][80][81] Nasser's ambivalence about his goals and objectives was reflected in his orders to the military. The general staff changed the operational plan four times in May 1967, each change requiring the redeployment of troops, with the inevitable toll on both men and vehicles.[82]

Before all of this took place, these were the comments publicly made by some Arab leaders, only months prior to the breakout of war:

“We have decided to drench this land with our blood, to oust you, aggressors, and throw you into the sea for good.”
- Syrian government broadcast
(Radio Damascus, May 24, 1966; quoted in Walter Laqueur, The Road to War [Pelican Books, 1969], p59)


“We will carry on operations until Israel has been eliminated.”
- Syrian government broadcast
(Radio Damascus, January 16, 1967; quoted in Michael B. Oren, Six Days of War [Oxford University Press, 2002], p42)


“We challenge you, Eshkol, to try all your weapons. Put them to the test; they will spell Israel’s death and annihilation.”
- Egyptian government broadcast
(Voice of the Arabs, May 16, 1967; quoted in Walter Laqueur, The Road to War [Pelican Books, 1969], p82)


“The Zionist barrack in Palestine is about to collapse and be destroyed… Every one of the hundred million Arabs has been living for the past nineteen years on one hope - to live to see the day Israel is liquidated… There is no life, no peace nor hope for the gangs of Zionism to remain in the occupied land.”
- Egyptian government broadcast
(Voice of the Arabs, May 18, 1967; quoted in Walter Laqueur, The Road to War [Pelican Books, 1969], p105)



“It is our chance, Arabs, to direct a blow of death and annihilation to Israel and all its presence in our Holy Land. It is a war for which we are waiting and in which we shall triumph.”
- Egyptian government broadcast
(Voice of the Arabs, May 19, 1967; quoted in Walter Laqueur, The Road to War [Pelican Books, 1969], p105)


“... the time has come to get rid of the Zionist cancer in Palestine.”
- Taher Yahia, Vice-Premier of Iraq
(New York Times, May 21, 1967)


My personal favorite:

“Israel lacks the strength to endure against the Arabs even for one hour. The Arab people’s decision is unfaltering: to wipe Israel off the face of the map…”
- Syrian government broadcast
(Radio Damascus, May 23, 1967; quoted in Moshe Shemesh, “Did Shuqayri Call For ‘Throwing the Jews into the Sea?” Israel Studies, Summer 2003, p79)



“The hour has come to end Israel’s existence.”
- Sheikh Ahmed Kaftaro, Grand Mufti of Syria
(New York Times, May 28, 1967)

Understanding the Arab-Israeli Conflict

There's more in case you're interested, just click the link

 

[HistoryBefore67]

So, what you're saying, George, is that Israel should have just sat back and waited for the Arabs to cross the border.

Great strategy.

Now, will someone answer the question... what is the definition of "the occupation"?

 

[MJB12741]

Heck, all you have to do George to define the occupation is tell us which came first, Solomon's Temple or the Al Asqa Mosque.

So, what you're saying, George, is that Israel should have just sat back and waited for the Arabs to cross the boarder.

Great strategy.

Now, will someone answer the question... what is the definition of "the occupation"?

 

[georgephillip]

Toast...one reason Nasser felt compelled to mass 100,000 troops in the Sinai in 1967 is explained by Israel's alliance with European imperial powers nine year previously:

"The Suez Crisis, also referred to as the Tripartite Aggression, Suez War, or Second Arab-Israeli War[13][14]... was a diplomatic and military confrontation in late 1956 between Egypt on one side, and Britain, France and Israel on the other, with the United States, the Soviet Union, and the United Nations playing major roles in forcing Britain, France and Israel to withdraw.[15]"

We can, and will, I'm sure, go back and forth about provocations on all sides, but the Jewish state choosing to side with European powers against fellow Semites testifies to the Zionist preference for colonization over liberation, IMHO.

"We need to ask: What kind of national liberation movement allies itself in every case and at every moment in its history with the powers of world imperialism?

"What national liberation struggle built its very existence on the colonization of another people, on the obliteration of that people's history, their culture, and their land?

"The founding fathers of Zionism were much more honest about what they stood for. Over and over, one word appears in their writing: not national 'liberation,' but 'colonization.'"

The Hidden Roots of Zionism

 

[toastman]

Toast...one reason Nasser felt compelled to mass 100,000 troops in the Sinai in 1967 is explained by Israel's alliance with European imperial powers nine year previously:

"The Suez Crisis, also referred to as the Tripartite Aggression, Suez War, or Second Arab-Israeli War[13][14]... was a diplomatic and military confrontation in late 1956 between Egypt on one side, and Britain, France and Israel on the other, with the United States, the Soviet Union, and the United Nations playing major roles in forcing Britain, France and Israel to withdraw.[15]"

We can, and will, I'm sure, go back and forth about provocations on all sides, but the Jewish state choosing to side with European powers against fellow Semites testifies to the Zionist preference for colonization over liberation, IMHO.

"We need to ask: What kind of national liberation movement allies itself in every case and at every moment in its history with the powers of world imperialism?

"What national liberation struggle built its very existence on the colonization of another people, on the obliteration of that people's history, their culture, and their land?

"The founding fathers of Zionism were much more honest about what they stood for. Over and over, one word appears in their writing: not national 'liberation,' but 'colonization.'"

The Hidden Roots of Zionism

Ok, fair enough. But massing troops by Israels borders (I'm talking about Syria and Jordan as well) while publicly making threatening remarks about destroying Israel is an act of war and a declaration of war.
I know that most anti - Zionists say that the main goal of Israel in 1967 was to capture more territory to expand the Land of Israel , but if that were true, then why did they offer to return ALL of the land they had captured. That's just the way I see it.

 

[georgephillip]

Heck, all you have to do George to define the occupation is tell us which came first, Solomon's Temple or the Al Asqa Mosque.

So, what you're saying, George, is that Israel should have just sat back and waited for the Arabs to cross the boarder.

Great strategy.

Now, will someone answer the question... what is the definition of "the occupation"?

"The 1967 War laid the foundation for future discord in the region.

"On November 22, 1967, the UN Security Council adopted Resolution 242, the 'land for peace' formula, which called for Israeli withdrawal 'from territories occupied' in 1967 and 'the termination of all claims or states of belligerency.'"

"Military occupation is effective provisional control[1] of a certain power over a territory which is not under the formal sovereignty of that entity, without the volition of the actual sovereign.[2][3][4] The intended temporary nature of occupation, when no claim for permanent sovereignty is made by the occupying entity, distinguishes occupation from both colonialism or annexation."

 

[MJB12741]

Right onj George. How proud of you I am. Yesiree, "that 67 war laid the foundation for future discord in the region." Do you think maybe the Arab countries made a huge mistake uniting to annihilate Israel & at a cost of the Palestinians as the biggest losers?

Heck, all you have to do George to define the occupation is tell us which came first, Solomon's Temple or the Al Asqa Mosque.

So, what you're saying, George, is that Israel should have just sat back and waited for the Arabs to cross the boarder.

Great strategy.

Now, will someone answer the question... what is the definition of "the occupation"?

"The 1967 War laid the foundation for future discord in the region.

"On November 22, 1967, the UN Security Council adopted Resolution 242, the 'land for peace' formula, which called for Israeli withdrawal 'from territories occupied' in 1967 and 'the termination of all claims or states of belligerency.'"

"Military occupation is effective provisional control[1] of a certain power over a territory which is not under the formal sovereignty of that entity, without the volition of the actual sovereign.[2][3][4] The intended temporary nature of occupation, when no claim for permanent sovereignty is made by the occupying entity, distinguishes occupation from both colonialism or annexation."

 

[georgephillip]

Not really.
I think 650,000 Jews inflicting a Zionist colony on 1.2 million Arabs in 1948 was a much bigger mistake.
Why do some Jews think they are sooooo special?

 

[toastman]

Not really.
I think 650,000 Jews inflicting a Zionist colony on 1.2 million Arabs in 1948 was a much bigger mistake.
Why do some Jews think they are sooooo special?

I don't know where you get this idea that Jews think of themselves as soo special. The whole "Jews think they are the chosen ones and better than me " mentality that you guys have is false.
I'm sure there are some cocky Jews who feel that way, but it's not something you will see . I've never heard any Jew say such a thing .
You live in California , there are plenty of Jews there, ask any of them if they feel like they are superior to Goyim, of if they were taught to believe that. They certainly never taught it at my elementary and high school, which were both Jewish private schools !

 

[HistoryBefore67]

Not really.
I think 650,000 Jews inflicting a Zionist colony on 1.2 million Arabs in 1948 was a much bigger mistake.
Why do some Jews think they are sooooo special?

Why are all your questions so slanted and fraught with anti-Semitic propaganda?

Seems to me that its the Arabs who think they are special. Why else would they build their mosques on top of Jewish and Christian holy sites? Why else would they believe that they could reject the Partition Plan and then invoke international law when they failed to drive the Jews into the sea? Why else would they believe that they can fire rockets and then claim that Israelis the aggressor?

History is full of stories of foreign nations colonizing other peoples' land. Israel is not part of that history because the Jews are not foreigners in their own homeland.

 

[MJB12741]

So true. Nonetheless Israel is to blame for allowing the Palestinian squatters to remain on Israel's land with peace offerings, a security fence & land concessions. Shame on those Zionists. Face it, no surrounding Arab country, who know the Palestinians best, ever treated them like Israel does. When will Israel ever learn from Jordan's Black September how to establish a lasting peace from Palestinians?

Not really.
I think 650,000 Jews inflicting a Zionist colony on 1.2 million Arabs in 1948 was a much bigger mistake.
Why do some Jews think they are sooooo special?

Why are all your questions so slanted and fraught with anti-Semitic propaganda?

Seems to me that its the Arabs who think they are special. Why else would they build their mosques on top of Jewish and Christian holy sites? Why else would they believe that they could reject the Partition Plan and then invoke international law when they failed to drive the Jews into the sea? Why else would they believe that they can fire rockets and then claim that Israelis the aggressor?

History is full of stories of foreign nations colonizing other peoples' land. Israel is not part of that history because the Jews are not foreigners in their own homeland.

 

[Kondor3]

Want peace?

Concede that the Jews have won-back the Holy Land and then pack up and move someplace else.

Because they're not giving it back after waiting 1,900 years to have another shot at it...

 

[georgephillip]

Want peace?

Concede that the Jews have won-back the Holy Land and then pack up and move someplace else.

Because they're not giving it back after waiting 1,900 years to have another shot at it...

Want Justice?

Tell us why Jews alone among all nations are entitled to win back land their ancestors conquered thousands of years ago.

 

[Hossfly]

Want peace?

Concede that the Jews have won-back the Holy Land and then pack up and move someplace else.

Because they're not giving it back after waiting 1,900 years to have another shot at it...

How 'bout them apples?


US Secretary of State John Kerry is currently on the last leg of his latest round of Middle East shuttle diplomacy, and looks to have fared no better than in his previous visits.

Just a few days ago, there was talk of Kerry announcing, and possibly even hosting on the spot a four-way summit between himself, Israel, the Palestinians and the Jordanians before his return to Washington.

But those hopes were put to rest as Kerry emerged from his Sunday morning meeting with Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas.



Kerry fails in bid for Israeli-Palestinian summit - Israel Today | Israel News

 

[Kondor3]

Want peace?

Concede that the Jews have won-back the Holy Land and then pack up and move someplace else.

Because they're not giving it back after waiting 1,900 years to have another shot at it...

Want Justice?

Tell us why Jews alone among all nations are entitled to win back land their ancestors conquered thousands of years ago.

Because of all the Peoples of the Book, the Jews are the only ones NOT to have a Home Base or Mothership - a homeland for their faith - until 1948, anyway - so The West (and the UN to a certain extent) gave them one, as a guilt-payment and consolation for the Holocaust.

The Christians have Rome and Canterbury and the like.

The Muslims have Mecca and Medinah.

And now the Jews rule in Jerusalem once again after a long hiatus.

Sometimes, peoples, or ragtag fragments of peoples, end-up being displaced, when such momentous events unfold.

Plenty of examples within living memory.

 

[Hossfly]

Want peace?

Concede that the Jews have won-back the Holy Land and then pack up and move someplace else.

Because they're not giving it back after waiting 1,900 years to have another shot at it...

How 'bout them apples?


US Secretary of State John Kerry is currently on the last leg of his latest round of Middle East shuttle diplomacy, and looks to have fared no better than in his previous visits.

Just a few days ago, there was talk of Kerry announcing, and possibly even hosting on the spot a four-way summit between himself, Israel, the Palestinians and the Jordanians before his return to Washington.

But those hopes were put to rest as Kerry emerged from his Sunday morning meeting with Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas.



Kerry fails in bid for Israeli-Palestinian summit - Israel Today | Israel News

And another thing about the "Peace Initiative".


Last month Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas appeared on Israeli television and seemingly accepted many Israeli positions regarding the peace process. Israeli President Shimon Peres hailed the gesture as evidence that Abbas is a true peace partner, but polls show most Israelis don't trust the Palestinian leader, and with good reason.

In the interview with Israel's Channel 2 News, Abbas stated that "Palestine now for me is the '67 borders, with East Jerusalem as its capital. I believe that (the) West Bank and Gaza is Palestine and the other parts (are) Israel."

It was a seemingly major departure from the Palestinian Authority's traditional reluctance to accept Israel's existence, and suggested that Abbas was abandoning the demand that Israel open its borders to millions of so-called "Palestinian refugees," thus demographically destroying the Jewish state.


Israelis don't believe Palestinian leader Abbas - Israel Today | Israel News