US officials meet with Canadian secessionists as friction mounts between Trump and Carney

[shockedcanadian]

As I anticipated.

One of the major flaws with the global socialism promoted in Europe is that Canada has the prospect of the largest economy on earth who can intervene or profit from the disillusionment which is presently occurring. Europe has no one except the eventual absorption by Russia and China, which I presume could occur over time.

American reps are now in communication with Albertan separatists who I read are asking for a $500B funding guarantee if they decided to move.

We have Quebec looking to separate and Alberta is leading the way. Poor leadership and the Creepy Ones in Ontario (and across Canada) are driving further pushes to separate in larger numbers.

MSN

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A small contingent of an oil-rich province in Canada that desperately wants to join the United States met with President Donald Trump's administration.

The Financial Times reported on Thursday that Trump aides met with the Alberta Prosperity Project, which is a group of far-right separatists who want to leave Canada. Since last April, Trump's State Department officials have met with the group at least three times in Washington, the report said.

"They are seeking another meeting next month with state and Treasury officials to ask for a $500 billion credit facility to help bankroll the province if an independence referendum — yet to be called — is passed," said the report.

According to the group's attorney, Jeff Rath, who was at the meetings, “The US is extremely enthusiastic about a free and independent Alberta."

He went on to brag that he has a better relationship with the Trump administration than Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney who hammered Trump in a speech at the World Economic Forum.

The State Department downplayed the multiple meetings however, saying, “The department regularly meets with civil society types. As is typical in routine meetings such as these, no commitments were made.”

The White House echoed the statement, adding that there was no commitment of financial support.


Neither Treasury secretary Scott Bessent nor anyone at the Treasury Department knew anything about a "credit facility proposal," said a person familiar when talking to FT. They said they have no intention of engaging.

Canadian conservatives, however, view the group as people who are only looking for attention.

 

[Concerned American]

As I anticipated.

One of the major flaws with the global socialism promoted in Europe is that Canada has the prospect of the largest economy on earth who can intervene or profit from the disillusionment which is presently occurring. Europe has no one except the eventual absorption by Russia and China.

American reps are now in communication with Albertan separatists who I read are asking for a $500B funding guarantee if they decided to move.

We have Quebec looking to separate and Alberta is leading the way. Poor leadership and the Creepy Ones in Ontario (and across Canada) are driving further pushes to separate in larger numbers.

MSN

www.msn.com

A small contingent of an oil-rich province in Canada that desperately wants to join the United States met with President Donald Trump's administration.

The Financial Times reported on Thursday that Trump aides met with the Alberta Prosperity Project, which is a group of far-right separatists who want to leave Canada. Since last April, Trump's State Department officials have met with the group at least three times in Washington, the report said.

"They are seeking another meeting next month with state and Treasury officials to ask for a $500 billion credit facility to help bankroll the province if an independence referendum — yet to be called — is passed," said the report.

According to the group's attorney, Jeff Rath, who was at the meetings, “The US is extremely enthusiastic about a free and independent Alberta."

He went on to brag that he has a better relationship with the Trump administration than Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney who hammered Trump in a speech at the World Economic Forum.

The State Department downplayed the multiple meetings however, saying, “The department regularly meets with civil society types. As is typical in routine meetings such as these, no commitments were made.”

The White House echoed the statement, adding that there was no commitment of financial support.


Neither Treasury secretary Scott Bessent nor anyone at the Treasury Department knew anything about a "credit facility proposal," said a person familiar when talking to FT. They said they have no intention of engaging.

Canadian conservatives, however, view the group as people who are only looking for attention.

Yawn. Pipe dream.

 

[White 6]

As I anticipated.

One of the major flaws with the global socialism promoted in Europe is that Canada has the prospect of the largest economy on earth who can intervene or profit from the disillusionment which is presently occurring. Europe has no one except the eventual absorption by Russia and China, which I presume could occur over time.

American reps are now in communication with Albertan separatists who I read are asking for a $500B funding guarantee if they decided to move.

We have Quebec looking to separate and Alberta is leading the way. Poor leadership and the Creepy Ones in Ontario (and across Canada) are driving further pushes to separate in larger numbers.

MSN

www.msn.com

A small contingent of an oil-rich province in Canada that desperately wants to join the United States met with President Donald Trump's administration.

The Financial Times reported on Thursday that Trump aides met with the Alberta Prosperity Project, which is a group of far-right separatists who want to leave Canada. Since last April, Trump's State Department officials have met with the group at least three times in Washington, the report said.

"They are seeking another meeting next month with state and Treasury officials to ask for a $500 billion credit facility to help bankroll the province if an independence referendum — yet to be called — is passed," said the report.

According to the group's attorney, Jeff Rath, who was at the meetings, “The US is extremely enthusiastic about a free and independent Alberta."

He went on to brag that he has a better relationship with the Trump administration than Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney who hammered Trump in a speech at the World Economic Forum.

The State Department downplayed the multiple meetings however, saying, “The department regularly meets with civil society types. As is typical in routine meetings such as these, no commitments were made.”

The White House echoed the statement, adding that there was no commitment of financial support.


Neither Treasury secretary Scott Bessent nor anyone at the Treasury Department knew anything about a "credit facility proposal," said a person familiar when talking to FT. They said they have no intention of engaging.

Canadian conservatives, however, view the group as people who are only looking for attention.

Wow. They want $500 Billion dollars to sell out Alberta?
We don't give that much to Florida, and it has loyal Americans not willing to sell out their country for profit, as well as great weather, fantastic beachfront property and Disney World.
No, the U.S. federal government does not pay $500 billion to Florida. In fact, Florida is expected to receive approximately $19.1 billion from the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act over five years, which is significantly less than $500 billion.
floridataxwatch.org

 

[shockedcanadian]

Wow. They want $500 Billion dollars to sell out Alberta?
We don't give that much to Florida, and it has loyal Americans not willing to sell out their country for profit, as well as great weather, fantastic beachfront property and Disney World.
No, the U.S. federal government does not pay $500 billion to Florida. In fact, Florida is expected to receive approximately $19.1 billion from the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act over five years, which is significantly less than $500 billion.
floridataxwatch.org

It is interesting, I view it as a very aggressive request, especially if the U.S welcomed them,

According to A.I, the value of the known oil alone in Alberta:


"The proven recoverable oil reserves in Alberta are estimated at approximately 167 billion barrels, predominantly from the oil sands. At the current market price for Western Canadian Select (the benchmark for much of Alberta's heavy oil production) of around $51 USD per barrel, this equates to a theoretical in-ground value of roughly $8.5 trillion USD if all reserves were extracted and sold at today's prices"

 

[Concerned American]

Wow. They want $500 Billion dollars to sell out Alberta?
We don't give that much to Florida, and it has loyal Americans not willing to sell out their country for profit, as well as great weather, fantastic beachfront property and Disney World.
No, the U.S. federal government does not pay $500 billion to Florida. In fact, Florida is expected to receive approximately $19.1 billion from the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act over five years, which is significantly less than $500 billion.
floridataxwatch.org

LOL, FL is about half the size of Alberta and doesn't have any natural resources--oil? Not that it makes a hill of beans difference. Canada would never consider allowing Alberta secede much less become part of the US---just like the MANY times Quebec has tried the same thing. Pipe dream. The US should own anything south of 54.40 lat. anyway.

 

[White 6]

LOL, FL is about half the size of Alberta and doesn't have any natural resources--oil? Not that it makes a hill of beans difference. Canada would never consider allowing Alberta secede much less become part of the US---just like the MANY times Quebec has tried the same thing. Pipe dream. The US should own anything south of 54.40 lat. anyway.

I never knew that about Alberta, as like most Americans, really haven't paid Canada much attention. Turns out Alberta is rich in natural resources, including oil sands, natural gas, coal, and various metallic and industrial minerals such as gold, silver, and lithium. Donny will be chasing this like a ***** in heat.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

As I anticipated.

Same, because Putin is Trump's hero.

There is little that Trump does on the world stage that isn't straight from Putin's diary.

 

[Concerned American]

I never knew that about Alberta, as like most Americans, really haven't paid Canada much attention. Turns out Alberta is rich in natural resources, including oil sands, natural gas, coal, and various metallic and industrial minerals such as gold, silver, and lithium. Donny will be chasing this like a ***** in heat.

The residents of Alberta are producing the referendum--has nothing to do with your obsession over Trump. LOL

 

[excalibur]

But they must vote Republican. No Democrat Senators allowed.

 

[Lockback]

Yawn. Pipe dream.

I'd love to see Canada take Minnesota, though.
Seriously.

But it won't happen.

 

[Concerned American]

I'd love to see Canada take Minnesota, though.

For $500B and we retain all mineral and water rights.

 

[Lockback]

For $500B and we retain all mineral and water rights.

Deal!

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The residents of Alberta are producing the referendum-

- that will be defeated by 20+ points.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

For $500B and we retain all mineral and water rights.

The main reason people are talking secession is to give Alberta the mineral rights.

So yeah, this is stoooooopid.

 

[shockedcanadian]

I have arrived at the profound realization that precious few Americans truly comprehend the nuances of Canada. It strikes me as peculiar that I have consistently forged harmonious connections with Americans, notwithstanding our occasional divergences.

This affinity, I surmise, stems from my unyielding resolve to confront life's myriad of challenges head-on; thus, when afforded the liberty to express my authentic self, I exude confidence, guided by an unwavering moral compass, I harbor no compulsion to take offense as too many of my fellow Canadians do.

I grasp the American culture and norms more intimately than that of my fellow Albertans in Canada. They embody a proud people, exhibiting a resilience far greater than their Ontarians, albeit still with the same inferiority complex when engaging with American, though less fragile than the Quebecers or Ontarians I suppose.

Long ago, I solemnly pledged never to kneel to any human soul. Civility and diplomacy yes, but absent the dire coercion of a gun to my head, I kneel only for G-d and thus dont feel inferior to ANY human. Canadians are generally obedient to power and govt. Of late though, amid escalating living expenses and a languishing economy, a growing tide of indignation swells against government at all levels IMO. Trump is creating a framework in his own way which has increased the stakes, if you will, for politicians to ACT, not just chat.


Am I forthright in my presumption of knowing intimately about Alberta's separation impulses? No, I cant say I understand them fully. In fact, I probably understand the average American from different regions better.


Nevertheless, it appears that Albertans harbor a capitalist work ethic, yearning to extract the vast trillions in oil reserves. The narrative of an unbridled "conservative" view (remember what I often suggest on here that OUR conservatism sadly often reflects "big, unaccountable policing" NOT libertarianism) is exaggerated, though the Texas cowboy theme seems popular in Calgary (I know they have an annual Stampede for instance which is quite popular).


Decades past, it was Ontario that paid subsidies to Alberta, eliciting discontent from our citizens, how times have changed as the roles are essentially reversed today. Too many Canadians, are ungrateful and then forget their own biases when it is they who drain another provinces resources.


Also, dont forget, as most of you probably dont even know, it was Quebec whp fell short of separation by a mere percentage point approximately 34 years ago. Then as now, should Alberta pursue a referendum on independence, the Canadian federation would staunchly resist. Some are suggesting online that even if Alberta DID separate they are suggesting that "you can leave but the land remains Canadian." LOL.


Here is the truth as I see it, should the United States acknowledge Alberta's sovereignty after a successful referendum, Canada's options would decrease significantly outside of lobbying America to NOT recognize their separation.


I remember that President Clinton refrained from direct intervention during Quebec's vote, though he did say towards the nearing of the vote, something to the effect "our Canada includes Quebec." I recall reading later that internal deliberations within his administration considered the merits of recognition, from personal U.S benefits to international norms of self-determination. A "yes" outcome would have been interesting indeed.


The chances of them separating is probably 10%. I can tell you though, with Trump and his administration in power, Canadian authorities know that this is more precarious than in the past. I imagine at worst, the feds would negotiate with Alberta and give them 90% of what they demand regarding extraction of oil, pipeline building etc if a vote even smells as one close to being successful.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I have arrived at the profound realization that precious few Americans truly comprehend the nuances of Canada. It strikes me as peculiar that I have consistently forged harmonious connections with Americans, notwithstanding our occasional divergences.

This affinity, I surmise, stems from my unyielding resolve to confront life's myriad of challenges head-on; thus, when afforded the liberty to express my authentic self, I exude confidence, guided by an unwavering moral compass, I harbor no compulsion to take offense as too many of my fellow Canadians do.

I grasp the American ethos more intimately than that of my fellow Albertans. They embody a proud people, exhibiting a resilience far greater than their Ontarian kin, albeit tempered by the same inferiority complex when engaging with American, though less fragile than the Quebecers or Ontarians I suppose.

Long ago, I solemnly pledged never to kneel to any human soul. Civility and diplomacy yes, but absent the dire coercion of a gun to my head, I kneel only for G-d and thus dont feel inferior to ANY human. Canadians of late amid escalating living expenses and a languishing economy, a growing tide of indignation swells against government at all levels IMO. Trump is creating a framework in his own way which has increased the stakes, if you will, for politicians to ACT, not just chat.

Americans hailing from Florida often radiate an undercurrent of ire. Those from New York, similarly fervent, tend toward exigency rather than outright wrath. In contrast, Californians emanate a tranquil demeanor, akin to the laid-back denizens of Seattle, while Hawaiians possess an effortless charm that beckons me—were fortune to permit—to dwell amidst their gracious society.


Am I forthright in my presumption of knowing intimately about Alberta's secession impulses? No, I cant say I understand them fully. In fact, I probably understand the average American from different regions better.


Nevertheless, it appears that Albertans harbor a capitalist work ethic, yearning to extract the vast trillions in oil reserves. The narrative of an unbridled "conservative" view (remember what I often suggest, OUR conservatism sadly often reflects "big, unaccountable policing") is exaggerated, though the Texas cowboy theme seems omnipresent in Calgary (I know they have an annual Stampede for instance which is quite popular).


Decades past, it was Ontario that paid subsidies to Alberta, eliciting discontent from our citizens, how times have changed as the roles are essentially reversed today. Too many Canadians, are ungrateful and then forget their own biases when it is they who drain another states resources.


Dont forget, Quebec, fell short of separation by a mere percentage point approximately 34 years ago. Then as now, should Alberta pursue a referendum on independence, the Canadian federation would staunchly resist. Some are suggesting online that even if Alberta DID separate they are suggesting that "you can leave but the land remains Canadian." LOL.


Here is the truth as I see it, should the United States acknowledge Alberta's sovereignty after a successful referendum, Canada's options would decrease significantly outside of lobbying America to NOT recognize their separation.


I remember that President Clinton refrained from direct intervention during Quebec's vote, though he did say towards the nearing of the vote, something to the effect "our Canada includes Quebec." I recall reading later that internal deliberations within his administration considered the merits of recognition, from personal U.S benefits to international norms of self-determination. A "yes" outcome would have been interesting indeed.


The chances of them separating is probably 10%. I can tell you though, with Trump and his administration in power, Canadian authorities know that this is more precarious than in the past. I imagine at worst, the feds would negotiate with Alberta and give them 90% of what they demand regarding extraction of oil, pipeline building etc if a vote even smells as one close to being successful.

With 62% of Alberta opposed, I would put the chances at 0%.

 

[shockedcanadian]

With 62% of Alberta opposed, I would put the chances at 0%.

That still leaves a very large 38% who might accept AND also consider the veracity of claims that Trump could never win, Clinton was pegged at 99% due to polling! The indignation that followed could easily be repeated.

Thus, I dont count anything out at this junction. At worst, for the sake of the Separatists; they will have new found powers and influence and a direct pipeline (no pun intended) to Trump and his administration.

These are very precarious times indeed.

 

[eagle1462010]

I hope they leave and join us. But the price tag of $500 bilion is rudiculous.

They are right to want to get away from the left lunatics of places like Ontario.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

That still leaves a very large 38% who might accept

And then whine the rest of their lives about losing.

 

[d0gbreath]

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