UK arms to Israel under threat

[Indofred]

UK's arms sales to Israel face legal challenge | World news | The Observer

The government faces being dragged into the high court over the sale of military hardware to Israel in an unprecedented legal move that puts the UK's controversial export policy on a potential collision course with the EU.

Law firm Leigh Day, representing the Campaign Against Arms Trade (CAAT), has written to the business secretary, Vince Cable, claiming that the failure by the British government to suspend existing licences for the export of military components to Israel is unlawful as there is a risk that they may have been used in Gaza. It says that it has been instructed to seek a judicial review of the government's reluctance to suspend licences unless it agrees to stop the export of the components.

Good news.
I hope these components are critical to Israel systems and difficult to replace.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

UK's arms sales to Israel face legal challenge | World news | The Observer

The government faces being dragged into the high court over the sale of military hardware to Israel in an unprecedented legal move that puts the UK's controversial export policy on a potential collision course with the EU.

Law firm Leigh Day, representing the Campaign Against Arms Trade (CAAT), has written to the business secretary, Vince Cable, claiming that the failure by the British government to suspend existing licences for the export of military components to Israel is unlawful as there is a risk that they may have been used in Gaza. It says that it has been instructed to seek a judicial review of the government's reluctance to suspend licences unless it agrees to stop the export of the components.

Good news.
I hope these components are critical to Israel systems and difficult to replace.

Oh no! Using British arms to fight terrorists, just awful!
If the British keep doing this, some of their imported terrorists might hack some more Brits to death.
And then the Brits could keep their arms at home, to fix their own terrorist problem.

 

[Daniyel]

The London bombing and hordes of Islamic extremists..
UK Won?t Sell Weapons to Israel, Will Sell Weapons to Gaddafi, Iran and Pakistan | FrontPage Magazine
I think they really need those arms for themselves and they chose a perfect time to pull it off..pff politics.
However Muhammad is Britains most popular boys name!

 

[Indofred]

The only non USA funded terrorist attacks in the UK were in response to the UK entering daft American wars.
Until that point, the only terrorism in the UK was American funded.

 

[Daniyel]

Nope, you cannot justify terror, never.
You can say that demonstrate and protest or any other form of legitimate expression of opinion could take place, but when it comes to violence its completely wrong and you cannot turn the blame to the US, and neither to the UK.

 

[toastman]

The only non USA funded terrorist attacks in the UK were in response to the UK entering daft American wars.
Until that point, the only terrorism in the UK was American funded.

Muslims will ALWAYS justify terror attacks. You are pure 100% genuine Scum.

As for the weapons...even if the UK stop shipping weapons, which it won't, Israel will still receive weapons from America as well as continuing to produce home grown weapons

 

[Indofred]

Nope, you cannot justify terror, never.
You can say that demonstrate and protest or any other form of legitimate expression of opinion could take place, but when it comes to violence its completely wrong and you cannot turn the blame to the US, and neither to the UK.

Do you justify the mass killings of civilians in Gaza in order to get the more extreme element of their population?

 

[Daniyel]

I don't, but there was no 'mass killing of civilians' in Gaza, out of 1,800 fatalities 700 were civilians, I don't see how this considered a mass killing of civilians taking in proportion the size of the operation and the numbers.
I'm not happy they died for many reasons, but I know its either 700 civilians + 1,100 terrorists or us..what would you prefer if you were in the position of Israel?

 

[Phoenall]

UK's arms sales to Israel face legal challenge | World news | The Observer

The government faces being dragged into the high court over the sale of military hardware to Israel in an unprecedented legal move that puts the UK's controversial export policy on a potential collision course with the EU.

Law firm Leigh Day, representing the Campaign Against Arms Trade (CAAT), has written to the business secretary, Vince Cable, claiming that the failure by the British government to suspend existing licences for the export of military components to Israel is unlawful as there is a risk that they may have been used in Gaza. It says that it has been instructed to seek a judicial review of the government's reluctance to suspend licences unless it agrees to stop the export of the components.

Good news.
I hope these components are critical to Israel systems and difficult to replace.

It has failed at the first hurdle as the Government OWN the high court, and with the recent failure by High court judges to act in accordance with Government policy it seems that heads will roll.

 

[Phoenall]

UK's arms sales to Israel face legal challenge | World news | The Observer

The government faces being dragged into the high court over the sale of military hardware to Israel in an unprecedented legal move that puts the UK's controversial export policy on a potential collision course with the EU.

Law firm Leigh Day, representing the Campaign Against Arms Trade (CAAT), has written to the business secretary, Vince Cable, claiming that the failure by the British government to suspend existing licences for the export of military components to Israel is unlawful as there is a risk that they may have been used in Gaza. It says that it has been instructed to seek a judicial review of the government's reluctance to suspend licences unless it agrees to stop the export of the components.

Good news.
I hope these components are critical to Israel systems and difficult to replace.

Oh no! Using British arms to fight terrorists, just awful!
If the British keep doing this, some of their imported terrorists might hack some more Brits to death.
And then the Brits could keep their arms at home, to fix their own terrorist problem.

Or better still the Defence industry will just use a middle man and get round any prohibitions. Say a Cypriot who wants to buy £10billion of rockets for his sons birthday party................

 

[Phoenall]

The only non USA funded terrorist attacks in the UK were in response to the UK entering daft American wars.
Until that point, the only terrorism in the UK was American funded.

Do you mean the IRA was funded by America, along with the PLO, A.Q., hezbolla, muslim brotherhood and isis.


BY the way which daft American war caused the bombing of Lockerbie then, as this was an Islamic mass murder of innocents. As was the Iranian embassy siege, which had muslims in a panic when we used the SAS to take them out. Didn't your lot complain that using these troops was an act of terrorism ?

 

[Phoenall]

Nope, you cannot justify terror, never.
You can say that demonstrate and protest or any other form of legitimate expression of opinion could take place, but when it comes to violence its completely wrong and you cannot turn the blame to the US, and neither to the UK.

Do you justify the mass killings of civilians in Gaza in order to get the more extreme element of their population?

What mass killings of civilians would they be then, as the information provided shows that the majority were terrorists. You forget about profiling that can say in 99% of cases this person was a terrorist.

 

[Indofred]

I don't, but there was no 'mass killing of civilians' in Gaza, out of 1,800 fatalities 700 were civilians,

Please prove those numbers are roughly true.
The world seems to disagree with you.

In Gaza, dispute over civilian vs combatant deaths - The Washington Post

The U.N. and rights groups operating in Gaza say about three-quarters of the around 1,900 Palestinians killed were civilians, including 450 children, with many perishing in strikes that killed several family members at a time.

The Israelis seem to count all the families of militants killed as combatants, even the babies.

[MENTION=49937]Daniyel[/MENTION] As I said, prove it, or admit you lied.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

I don't, but there was no 'mass killing of civilians' in Gaza, out of 1,800 fatalities 700 were civilians,

Please prove those numbers are roughly true.
The world seems to disagree with you.

In Gaza, dispute over civilian vs combatant deaths - The Washington Post

The U.N. and rights groups operating in Gaza say about three-quarters of the around 1,900 Palestinians killed were civilians, including 450 children, with many perishing in strikes that killed several family members at a time.

The Israelis seem to count all the families of militants killed as combatants, even the babies.

[MENTION=49937]Daniyel[/MENTION] As I said, prove it, or admit you lied.

700 hundred members of an "infidel" tribe were killed and/or beheaded by ISIS in Syria just yesterday, Freddie. What a lovely religion you converted to! How does this relate to the Israel/Palestine conflict? Well, these are the same irrational, barbaric people that Israel has to deal with. ISIS, Hezbollah, Hamas, Boca Harem, Al-Queida, Taliban, Islamic Jihad, etc.--they're all the same. By the way, just out of curiousity, are you filled with same anger and hatred towards those Muslim killers?

 

[Daniyel]

Nope, all armed militants killed reported by IDF, some identified as Hamas, some Islamic Jihad and some couldn't been identified.
The UN report (300-450 I hope its 300) doesn't oppose the report from Israel, they stated these are total number of Palestinian fatalities, not militants fatalities.
http://www.usmessageboard.com/israel-and-palestine/369215-protective-edge-in-numbers.html
Palestinian Fatalities 1768, 1068 Terrorists, 700 Civilians (estimated fatalities)
Hamas: 253
Islamic Jihad: 147
Other organizations: 63
Unknown affiliation armed terrorists: 603
This is by the day 29 of the operation...

There is a big confusion around this subject, because some base their opinion over Hamas reports.
However there is few facts you should know.
1.Hamas hide militants identity.
2.Roughly 80% of the casualties are men, the average age of militants (reported by Al Jazeera)
3.The pro-Palestinian lobby never stated how many militants killed.

Hamas lie, we know the truth.

[MENTION=38033]Indofred[/MENTION]

 

[Indeependent]

Nope, you cannot justify terror, never.
You can say that demonstrate and protest or any other form of legitimate expression of opinion could take place, but when it comes to violence its completely wrong and you cannot turn the blame to the US, and neither to the UK.

Do you justify the mass killings of civilians in Gaza in order to get the more extreme element of their population?

Off topic posting shows that InfoFred knows he lost argument.

 

[Indofred]

2.Roughly 80% of the casualties are men, the average age of militants

The first thing that comes to mind is, you quote your own thread as proof you're right, and that comes from a more biased Hebrew language publication.

Gosh, 80% were "men".

Analysis Of Gazans Killed So Far In Operation Protective Edge | HonestReporting

9.9% of the "Men" were under 10 years old.
7.4% were 11 to 17 years old.
5.5% were 49 to 58 years old

There goes 22.8% of your "men".

Now you're down to 57.2%.

The general claim is, most of the people killed were of fighting age, thus they were probably fighters.
Is that true, or is there another factor you're leaving out?

According to the CIA, Gaza has..

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/gz.html

0-14 years: 43.2% (male 402,848/female 381,155)
15-24 years: 20.6% (male 191,710/female 182,405)
25-54 years: 30.1% (male 280,551/female 266,756)
55-64 years: 3.5% (male 31,711/female 31,515)
65 years and over: 2.6% (male 19,617/female 28,111) (2014 est.)

In other words, if you bomb Gaza, you'll kill younger people because that's who lives there, not because they're terrorists.

Answer that, [MENTION=49937]Daniyel[/MENTION]

 

[R.C. Christian]

Don't worry, they'll just take some more from our stock pile if they're not to busy selling our missile tech to the commie Chinese.

 

[Indofred]

Nope, you cannot justify terror, never.
You can say that demonstrate and protest or any other form of legitimate expression of opinion could take place, but when it comes to violence its completely wrong and you cannot turn the blame to the US, and neither to the UK.

Do you justify the mass killings of civilians in Gaza in order to get the more extreme element of their population?

Off topic posting shows that InfoFred knows he lost argument.

The arms shipments are under threat because of Israel's mass murders.
Given that, how can Israel's mass murders be off topic?

Get real.

 

[Daniyel]

2.Roughly 80% of the casualties are men, the average age of militants

The first thing that comes to mind is, you quote your own thread as proof you're right, and that comes from a more biased Hebrew language publication.

Gosh, 80% were "men".

Analysis Of Gazans Killed So Far In Operation Protective Edge | HonestReporting

9.9% of the "Men" were under 10 years old.
7.4% were 11 to 17 years old.
5.5% were 49 to 58 years old

There goes 22.8% of your "men".

Now you're down to 57.2%.

The general claim is, most of the people killed were of fighting age, thus they were probably fighters.
Is that true, or is there another factor you're leaving out?

According to the CIA, Gaza has..

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/gz.html

0-14 years: 43.2% (male 402,848/female 381,155)
15-24 years: 20.6% (male 191,710/female 182,405)
25-54 years: 30.1% (male 280,551/female 266,756)
55-64 years: 3.5% (male 31,711/female 31,515)
65 years and over: 2.6% (male 19,617/female 28,111) (2014 est.)

In other words, if you bomb Gaza, you'll kill younger people because that's who lives there, not because they're terrorists.

Answer that, [MENTION=49937]Daniyel[/MENTION]

[MENTION=38033]Indofred[/MENTION]

Alright, first of all Israel Hayom is Israel's biggest newspaper, and the report is based on IDF report, which proved reliable on terms of information more than Hamas, agreed? if not we can debate over that, but this is not the point.

The number average age of male militants is between 18-48 (with exceptions)
This is what you called fighting age, and with a small correction.
About 70% (by day 29) I made a mistake earlier, not 80%.
70% of 1768 is 1237 - the number of terrorists killed reported was 1,068.
Considering this is urban war zone with dozen of innocents caught in between, the Hamas use of human shields, the fact Hamas hide terrorists identity...well.
Also note, IDF warned civilians constantly to leave, warns before assaulting(!!!) -
I have no idea how you can still consider this mass killing of innocents/civilians.

Now lets talk about what YOU think based on your logic, you try to force your conclusion without even knowing all the variables, answer this.
How many terrorists REALLY killed? You can't tell, correct me if I'm wrong.
According to you IDF deliberately aim on civilians, how come the number of assaults made by IDF are so high and the fatalities so low? some proportion don't you think?
Considering the fact IDF warned ALL civilians to leave the war zone, nobody should have die in the first place, unless Hamas does use human shields.

So basically according to you if you randomly bomb Gaza you hit civilians mostly children, tell me how the huge number of children suffered such small fatalities instead of at least 50% as expected?