Turning the Police into the Marines. Who paid for it?

[rdean]

Just watched a report on TV about militarizing the Police.

Seeing armored carriers, helicopters costing millions, semi and automatic weapons, gas masks and so on. Missouri is not a rich state. Some counties are even more heavily armed than the one where all this trouble started. Where does all that money come from?

Guess.

OK, I'll tell you. As soon as Republicans took over both houses, right after 9/11, they authorized the arming of civilian police through Homeland Security. Billions and billions went to the Pentagon and they "spread the wealth". I remember that at the time, Democrats were asking, why do we need all this military equipment in the middle of the country and Republicans called them weak on defense.

While I'm looking at this, I found this interesting article:

Arrests at GOP Convention Are Criticized

Pincus was one of 1,821 people arrested in police sweeps before and during the Republican convention, the largest number of arrests associated with any American major-party convention. At the Democratic convention in Chicago in 1968, which unlike New York's was marked by widespread police brutality, cops made fewer than 700 arrests.

Officers often sealed off streets with orange netting and used motor scooters and horses to sweep up hundreds of protesters at a time, including many who appear to have broken no laws. In two cases, police commanders appeared to allow marches to proceed, only to order many arrests minutes later.

Most of those arrested were held for more than two days without being arraigned, which a state Supreme Court judge ruled was a violation of legal guidelines.

John Feinblatt, said in an interview that city lawyers tried to weed out the unjustly arrested and that the volume of arrests -- more than 1,100 on one day -- overwhelmed the police department.

"To be held for 50 hours and not be charged . . . it's pretty outrageous," Schriefer said. "It's just counter to everything I had understood about our legal process."

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So there you have it. The Militarization of our Police. Where did it start? With Republicans of course. The party of smaller government and free speech and personal freedom. You can't believe anything they say. They are the gift that just keeps giving and giving and giving and.........

 

[rdean]

You would have thought the oh so thrifty Republicans would have asked this question first. Where did the money come from?

 

[Katzndogz]

Just from the kind of weaponry criminals have, the police should be militarized.

 

[deltex1]

It's surplus equipment. The choice was leave it for ISIS or give it to the cops. Luckily Valerie told Obabble to give it to the cops.

 

[Moonglow]

Just from the kind of weaponry criminals have, the police should be militarized.

Criminals had armored personel carriers?

 

[Harry Dresden]

Just watched a report on TV about militarizing the Police.

Seeing armored carriers, helicopters costing millions, semi and automatic weapons, gas masks and so on. Missouri is not a rich state. Some counties are even more heavily armed than the one where all this trouble started. Where does all that money come from?

Guess.

OK, I'll tell you. As soon as Republicans took over both houses, right after 9/11, they authorized the arming of civilian police through Homeland Security. Billions and billions went to the Pentagon and they "spread the wealth". I remember that at the time, Democrats were asking, why do we need all this military equipment in the middle of the country and Republicans called them weak on defense.

While I'm looking at this, I found this interesting article:

Arrests at GOP Convention Are Criticized

Pincus was one of 1,821 people arrested in police sweeps before and during the Republican convention, the largest number of arrests associated with any American major-party convention. At the Democratic convention in Chicago in 1968, which unlike New York's was marked by widespread police brutality, cops made fewer than 700 arrests.

Officers often sealed off streets with orange netting and used motor scooters and horses to sweep up hundreds of protesters at a time, including many who appear to have broken no laws. In two cases, police commanders appeared to allow marches to proceed, only to order many arrests minutes later.

Most of those arrested were held for more than two days without being arraigned, which a state Supreme Court judge ruled was a violation of legal guidelines.

John Feinblatt, said in an interview that city lawyers tried to weed out the unjustly arrested and that the volume of arrests -- more than 1,100 on one day -- overwhelmed the police department.

"To be held for 50 hours and not be charged . . . it's pretty outrageous," Schriefer said. "It's just counter to everything I had understood about our legal process."

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So there you have it. The Militarization of our Police. Where did it start? With Republicans of course. The party of smaller government and free speech and personal freedom. You can't believe anything they say. They are the gift that just keeps giving and giving and giving and.........

i live in a pretty liberal democratic state and yet the police out here are just as "militarized" and that includes real heavy democrat controlled areas....of course thats the Republicans fault too....those Democrats....they just cant do no wrong.... then you wonder why i say you are kind of obsessed with these people.....go smoke a joint....relax .....watch a comedy do some laughing.....geezuz....

 

[g5000]

It's surplus equipment. The choice was leave it for ISIS or give it to the cops.

That's why we gave the cops all those Sherman tanks and armored personnel carriers after WWII.


Oh, wait...

 

[deltex1]

It's surplus equipment. The choice was leave it for ISIS or give it to the cops.

That's why we gave the cops all those Sherman tanks and armored personnel carriers after WWII.


Oh, wait...

Times have changed, Gertrude...in case you haven't noticed.

 

[Katzndogz]

The police started militarization after the North Hollywood bank robbery where they were vastly outgunned and had to ask a gun store for better weapons.

 

[g5000]

It's surplus equipment. The choice was leave it for ISIS or give it to the cops.

That's why we gave the cops all those Sherman tanks and armored personnel carriers after WWII.


Oh, wait...

Times have changed, Gertrude...in case you haven't noticed.

So it has nothing to do with your bogus false dichotomy, then. I see.

Yes, times have changed. We have become a nation of totalitarian cowards.

 

[g5000]

The police started militarization after the North Hollywood bank robbery where they were vastly outgunned and had to ask a gun store for better weapons.

Yeah, because that happens every day.

 

[deltex1]

That's why we gave the cops all those Sherman tanks and armored personnel carriers after WWII.


Oh, wait...

Times have changed, Gertrude...in case you haven't noticed.

So it has nothing to do with your bogus false dichotomy, then. I see.

Yes, times have changed. We have become a nation of totalitarian cowards.

You love to use your big words...it was a joke...just as you are g0000

 

[g5000]

Times have changed, Gertrude...in case you haven't noticed.

So it has nothing to do with your bogus false dichotomy, then. I see.

Yes, times have changed. We have become a nation of totalitarian cowards.

You love to use your big words...it was a joke...just as you are g0000

I will make a note to dumb down my posts to you.

 

[deltex1]

So it has nothing to do with your bogus false dichotomy, then. I see.

Yes, times have changed. We have become a nation of totalitarian cowards.

You love to use your big words...it was a joke...just as you are g0000

I will make a note to dumb down my posts to you.

That would be nothing new...or unique to me.

 

[whitehall]

What is it about the police that offends the modern left? Are left wing sissies offended by camouflage? Fine, lets go back to Police blue uniforms and Sheriff brown. Is it the weapons that offends the left? A little reminder is a bank robbery incident where California officers were outgunned by bank robbers and had to find a gun shop that sold more powerful weapons. Training? Are lefties offended by training? The left seems to talk in cliches these days rather than ideas and concepts.

 

[Stephanie]

What is it about the police that offends the modern left? Are left wing sissies offended by camouflage? Fine, lets go back to Police blue uniforms and Sheriff brown. Is it the weapons that offends the left? A little reminder is a bank robbery incident where California officers were outgunned by bank robbers and had to find a gun shop that sold more powerful weapons. Training? Are lefties offended by training? The left seems to talk in cliches these days rather than ideas and concepts.

They twist in the wind from day to day
one day they cheer them the next , who knows

 

[jasonnfree]

What is it about the police that offends the modern left? Are left wing sissies offended by camouflage? Fine, lets go back to Police blue uniforms and Sheriff brown. Is it the weapons that offends the left? A little reminder is a bank robbery incident where California officers were outgunned by bank robbers and had to find a gun shop that sold more powerful weapons. Training? Are lefties offended by training? The left seems to talk in cliches these days rather than ideas and concepts.

So those bank robbers had a couple of machine guns, which didn't justify turning cops into military. The left, the left, the left. Your Quack Quack Quacking about the left is cliche-ing

 

[jasonnfree]

What is it about the police that offends the modern left? Are left wing sissies offended by camouflage? Fine, lets go back to Police blue uniforms and Sheriff brown. Is it the weapons that offends the left? A little reminder is a bank robbery incident where California officers were outgunned by bank robbers and had to find a gun shop that sold more powerful weapons. Training? Are lefties offended by training? The left seems to talk in cliches these days rather than ideas and concepts.

They twist in the wind from day to day
one day they cheer them the next , who knows

Having cops go military is a good way of going around the posse comitatus act. I see cops sometimes come in a restaurant to pick up takeout. Camaflouge cloths, looking around suspiciously like in the dark days of WW2 or something. Using big offroad vehicles to get some takeout for these already overweight wannabees. Not the ghetto either. Nice area where the average home is over 6-700 thousand and the crime rate is minimal.

 

[Sallow]

What is it about the police that offends the modern left? Are left wing sissies offended by camouflage? Fine, lets go back to Police blue uniforms and Sheriff brown. Is it the weapons that offends the left? A little reminder is a bank robbery incident where California officers were outgunned by bank robbers and had to find a gun shop that sold more powerful weapons. Training? Are lefties offended by training? The left seems to talk in cliches these days rather than ideas and concepts.

So those bank robbers had a couple of machine guns, which didn't justify turning cops into military. The left, the left, the left. Your Quack Quack Quacking about the left is cliche-ing

This is an example of conservative thinking, which is binary and "one size fits all".

Most of us do not have trouble with SWAT teams to deal with situations like that bank robbery.

But SWAT teams should not be used in dealing with crowd control during a protest..or a parade.

 

[Freemason9]

What is it about the police that offends the modern left? Are left wing sissies offended by camouflage? Fine, lets go back to Police blue uniforms and Sheriff brown. Is it the weapons that offends the left? A little reminder is a bank robbery incident where California officers were outgunned by bank robbers and had to find a gun shop that sold more powerful weapons. Training? Are lefties offended by training? The left seems to talk in cliches these days rather than ideas and concepts.

The "left" has always been anti-authoritarian, and the "right" has been pro-authoritarian; if you doubt this, look up the source of the terms "left" and "right" politically.