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ICE’s Unconstitutional Double Standard for Protesters

On Jan. 15, White House Border Czar Tom Homan told Laura Ingraham during a Fox News interview that he is “pushing for” the federal government to create a “database” of people arrested during demonstrations against Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). In Homan’s words, “we’re gonna make them famous. We’re gonna put their faces on TV. We’re gonna let their employers, and their neighborhoods, and their schools, know who these people are.”

Reporting suggests that Homan’s database may already be a reality—and not just for people whose protest activity leads to arrest. On Jan. 23, an anti-ICE protester captured an ICE agent on video explaining that he was taking pictures of the protester’s car, “’cause we have a nice little database and now you’re considered a domestic terrorist. So have fun with that.” Ken Klippenstein reported that a federal official directly involved with the program confirmed that the database exists and that the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has ordered immigration officers to collect information about anyone filming their activities.

However, DHS spokesperson Tricia McLaughlin subsequently disavowed the existence of the database, while other reporting suggests that the “database” may be decentralized and disorganized at this point.

Regardless of its current status, the intent behind such a database is troubling: to strike back against recent efforts to film, follow, and monitor ICE agents and publicize their identities. As Homan said, “If they want to broadcast the ICE officer that was nearly killed all over the internet [presumably referring to the ICE agent who shot and killed Renée Macklin Good in Minneapolis], we’re gonna broadcast every one of these people we arrest.”

Homan is drawing a false equivalency between what protesters are doing—filming law enforcement officers doing their duties in public, following them to monitor those activities, and publishing recordings that disclose agents’ names, faces, and badge numbers—and what the government is doing: arresting people for this activity, creating a government-controlled list of ICE protesters, and preparing to use this information to lean on private parties in hopes that the private parties will then punish the protesters in ways the government cannot.


Police states are known to use surveillance of their citizens as a means of controlling the population. Protests, exercises of free speech, media that questions authority, authoritarian governments don't like those things. Attempts are made to stifle dissent. For instance, unfriendly media outlets and individual reporters are targeted. Protesters are attacked by the police and files are kept on them. Not that anything like that would happen here. ;)
 
They aren't protesting, they are rioting.
Just to be clear, we aren't talking about the J6 mob. We're talking about people in MN who blow whistles, film ICE using excessive force like shooting Pretti 10 times, and take children away from parents.

But the law does not treat these two sets of actions the same way. The First Amendment clearly protects much of the protesters’ activity against unreasonable government interference while it prohibits much of what the government is doing and intends to do. While there are some limits (discussed below), recording, observing, and posting about federal law enforcement activity generally constitutes quintessential First Amendment-protected expression that ensures government accountability and transparency. Following law enforcement to engage in such activity may well be protected, too.
 
Just to be clear, we aren't talking about the J6 mob. We're talking about people in MN who blow whistles, film ICE using excessive force like shooting Pretti 10 times, and take children away from parents.

But the law does not treat these two sets of actions the same way. The First Amendment clearly protects much of the protesters’ activity against unreasonable government interference while it prohibits much of what the government is doing and intends to do. While there are some limits (discussed below), recording, observing, and posting about federal law enforcement activity generally constitutes quintessential First Amendment-protected expression that ensures government accountability and transparency. Following law enforcement to engage in such activity may well be protected, too.
Blowing whistles in their ears to keep them from doing their jobs. Thanks for PROVING my point.
 
ICE’s Unconstitutional Double Standard for Protesters

On Jan. 15, White House Border Czar Tom Homan told Laura Ingraham during a Fox News interview that he is “pushing for” the federal government to create a “database” of people arrested during demonstrations against Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). In Homan’s words, “we’re gonna make them famous. We’re gonna put their faces on TV. We’re gonna let their employers, and their neighborhoods, and their schools, know who these people are.”

Reporting suggests that Homan’s database may already be a reality—and not just for people whose protest activity leads to arrest. On Jan. 23, an anti-ICE protester captured an ICE agent on video explaining that he was taking pictures of the protester’s car, “’cause we have a nice little database and now you’re considered a domestic terrorist. So have fun with that.” Ken Klippenstein reported that a federal official directly involved with the program confirmed that the database exists and that the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has ordered immigration officers to collect information about anyone filming their activities.

However, DHS spokesperson Tricia McLaughlin subsequently disavowed the existence of the database, while other reporting suggests that the “database” may be decentralized and disorganized at this point.

Regardless of its current status, the intent behind such a database is troubling: to strike back against recent efforts to film, follow, and monitor ICE agents and publicize their identities. As Homan said, “If they want to broadcast the ICE officer that was nearly killed all over the internet [presumably referring to the ICE agent who shot and killed Renée Macklin Good in Minneapolis], we’re gonna broadcast every one of these people we arrest.”

Homan is drawing a false equivalency between what protesters are doing—filming law enforcement officers doing their duties in public, following them to monitor those activities, and publishing recordings that disclose agents’ names, faces, and badge numbers—and what the government is doing: arresting people for this activity, creating a government-controlled list of ICE protesters, and preparing to use this information to lean on private parties in hopes that the private parties will then punish the protesters in ways the government cannot.


Police states are known to use surveillance of their citizens as a means of controlling the population. Protests, exercises of free speech, media that questions authority, authoritarian governments don't like those things. Attempts are made to stifle dissent. For instance, unfriendly media outlets and individual reporters are targeted. Protesters are attacked by the police and files are kept on them. Not that anything like that would happen here. ;)


This is that thing, where leftards escalate and don't consider what the reaction will be, and then act all butt hurt when it happens.

DON'T CARE.
 
This is that thing, where leftards escalate and don't consider what the reaction will be, and then act all butt hurt when it happens.

DON'T CARE.
ICE attempts to murder people then lie about it to the courts.

You DONT’T CARE.

Because fascists like you want state violence to suppress political opposition.
 
Protesting their actions isn't. Ooooops. That is a 1st A right. trump didn't issue an EO suspending the 1st A did he?
What part of this did you not understand?

On Jan. 15, White House Border Czar Tom Homan told Laura Ingraham during a Fox News interview that he is “pushing for” the federal government to create a “database” of people arrested during demonstrations against Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).
 
This is that thing, where leftards escalate and don't consider what the reaction will be, and then act all butt hurt when it happens.

DON'T CARE.
It doesn't surprise me in the least that you think the regime is justified in violating people's constitutional rights. Nor do you care when they do. How long have you had sympathies towards fascism?
 
What part of rhis did you not understand?

On Jan. 15, White House Border Czar Tom Homan told Laura Ingraham during a Fox News interview that he is “pushing for” the federal government to create a “database” of people arrested during demonstrations against Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).
What part of ICE making false arrests don't you understand.

The First Amendment Generally Protects Recording and Posting About ICE Agents

There is a well-established First Amendment right to record and observe public officials’ public activity, including public law enforcement activity, as many others have noted. Every circuit court to have considered the question, without exception, has found such activity constitutionally protected. And the rights to observe and record would mean little without the concomitant right to follow law enforcement as they carry out the activity being recorded or observed.

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit, for example, treated the right to observe police conduct as a “necessarily included” aspect of the right to criticize the police in a case where the plaintiff followed a police officer as she made two traffic stops. Other courts have reflected the same principles in recent cases invalidating laws that functionally prohibit recording or observing, such as a California law that prohibited “spectating” sideshows from within a certain distance and an Indiana statute that allowed police to arbitrarily impose large “buffer zones” around law enforcement activity.

There are limits to this First Amendment protection, of course. The First Amendment does not protect those who engage in violence against ICE agents, even in the context of protest. The Trump administration may be able to deter and prosecute activities that physically interfere with or assault law enforcement officials, within the bounds of the law.

But crucially, Homan and other officials like DHS Secretary Kristi Noem and Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs Tricia McLaughlin have made clear that they are also setting their sights on those who are merely observing, “videotaping,” and posting photographs of agents online. Such activities are clearly protected by the First Amendment, and, contrary to Homan’s claims, they do not generally “interfere” with law enforcement within the meaning of the relevant federal prohibition.
 
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ICE attempts to murder people then lie about it to the courts.

You DONT’T CARE.

Because fascists like you want state violence to suppress political opposition.

This thread is about ICE response to your side's obstruction and RESIST.

You decided to try to STOP policy with mob action.

You were unable to think about the consequences, because of liberal mind virus.

Now, the other side has responded to your actions.

You are utterly surprised and shocked.


The issue here is your inability to imagin that other people are real, and will react to your various moves against them.


You are unable to see how broken you are, or how pathetic you are being.
 
This thread is about ICE response to your side's obstruction and RESIST.

You decided to try to STOP policy with mob action.

You were unable to think about the consequences, because of liberal mind virus.

Now, the other side has responded to your actions.

You are utterly surprised and shocked.


The issue here is your inability to imagin that other people are real, and will react to your various moves against them.


You are unable to see how broken you are, or how pathetic you are being.
Imagine people wanting to use free speech to stop authoritarianism.

It’s like the whole story of this country’s founding. Not that you guys give a shit about the principles of our nation.
 
It's funny to read such drivel like what posters like Berg80 post in here when in this age we have all kinds of proof that they were advocating the exact same thing not more than 6 years ago...In, and around 2020 Democrats like Berg were here advocating creating a, wait for it, database of those who refused to get the jab, or boosters against their wishes...Or those that were offering alternatives about Covid. They told us in no uncertain terms that they wanted to make sure that their fellow Americans who refused this, or spoke out, would not be able to survive in society. That they'd be disallowed jobs, food, or even safety...

Now, they whine when their own tactics are threatened against them....**** them....Pussies.
 

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