WTH_Progs?
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Pretty bad. They keep this up Isreal will wipe them out, and I hope they do. Unfortunately many innocent have to suffer for it.
Things not so good in the middle east
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What are the Russian/Iranian missiles targeting in Israel
When the cowardly Hamas militia hides among the civilians they are the war criminals you buffoon.
justinacolmena
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Civilian apartment buildings are full of druggers and drug addicts, and the whole ventilation system is suffused with marijuana and heroin smoke. Just like America. What else are you supposed to do to those places?
LordBrownTrout
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Except, they're not. More propaganda regurgitation and lies.
Lipush
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Once you hide weaponry and use the civilian apartment for military causes, it's not longer a civilian apartment.
As long as civilians live there, it is a civilian apartment
Lipush
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That's not true. If in the place there is weaponry or soldiers, even if there are 10 children or a 100 there, it's still a military target. If it's ethical to bring the place down or not is a different question, but it's not a civilian apartment anymore.
If a civilian lives in the building, then it is a civilian target and firing missiles on it is not the only means to address who else is inside rendering Israel in violation of the Geneva Convention which it ratified.
RoccoR
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RE: Things Not So Good in the Middle East
SUBTOPIC: Violation of the Geneva Convention
※→ Dekster, et al,
PREFACE: Either I do not understand your point, or you have something confused.
BLUF: The related concept under Customary and International Humanitarian Lw (IHL) is the prohibition of human shields (see Rule 97), as everything feasible, must be done to separate military objectives from the civilian population, but in no event may civilians be used to shield military objectives.
Under the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court → “utilizing the presence of a civilian or other protected person to render certain points, areas or military forces immune from military operations” constitutes a war crime in international armed conflicts.
HAMAS is following the same line of thought that (I think) you postulate. If there are civilians (protected persons co-locate with legitimate military targets, then the area falls under the protections afforded by the Customary and IHL. But I think there are a couple of mistakes made in your assumption. If the Israelis "target" a legitimate military objective, then they are not "targeting" the protected persons. Why? (RHETORICAL) Because HAMAS has several critical duties:
IF HAMAS co-locates legitimate targets within the civilian population, THEN HAMAS has failed to comply, not Israel. IF HAMAS intentionally co-locates legitimate military objectives within the civilian population, THEN they are technically in violation of:
I have seen this pro-Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) allegation used before. It is an attempt to sound convincing and authoritative before an audience that simply does not know the key issues that are not being explained. It essentially attempts to condone launch sites inside heavily populated areas
Most Respectfully,
R
SUBTOPIC: Violation of the Geneva Convention
※→ Dekster, et al,
PREFACE: Either I do not understand your point, or you have something confused.
BLUF: The related concept under Customary and International Humanitarian Lw (IHL) is the prohibition of human shields (see Rule 97), as everything feasible, must be done to separate military objectives from the civilian population, but in no event may civilians be used to shield military objectives.
Under the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court → “utilizing the presence of a civilian or other protected person to render certain points, areas or military forces immune from military operations” constitutes a war crime in international armed conflicts.
(COMMENT)Dekster said:
HAMAS is following the same line of thought that (I think) you postulate. If there are civilians (protected persons co-locate with legitimate military targets, then the area falls under the protections afforded by the Customary and IHL. But I think there are a couple of mistakes made in your assumption. If the Israelis "target" a legitimate military objective, then they are not "targeting" the protected persons. Why? (RHETORICAL) Because HAMAS has several critical duties:
◈ Rule 23 ICRC IHL Database: Each party to the conflict must, to the extent feasible, avoid locating military objectives within or near densely populated areas.
◈ Rule 24 ICRC IHL Database: Each party to the conflict must, to the extent feasible, remove civilian persons and objects under its control from the vicinity of military objectives.
IF HAMAS co-locates legitimate targets within the civilian population, THEN HAMAS has failed to comply, not Israel. IF HAMAS intentionally co-locates legitimate military objectives within the civilian population, THEN they are technically in violation of:
◈ Rule 97 ICRC IHL Database: The use of human shields is prohibited [ICC Statute, Article 8(2)(b)(xxiii)]. This is equivalent to HAMAS using the presence of civilians or other protected persons to render certain points or areas (or military forces) immune from Israeli military neutralization.
I have seen this pro-Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) allegation used before. It is an attempt to sound convincing and authoritative before an audience that simply does not know the key issues that are not being explained. It essentially attempts to condone launch sites inside heavily populated areas
Most Respectfully,
R
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