The US census is not wrong: arabs and iranic tribes are white

[Mortimer]

When i was a kid i thought kurds iranians syrians lebanese assyrians etc are brown like gypsies southasians but i didnt looked closer and was influenced by austrians who said im a turk now i observed around me
And westasians are definitely white

My barbers are white they are syrians

 

[Failzero]

One Planet One People ? ( Oh Please )

 

[georgephillip]

When i was a kid i thought kurds iranians syrians lebanese assyrians etc are brown like gypsies southasians but i didnt looked closer and was influenced by austrians who said im a turk now i observed around me
And westasians are definitely white

My barbers are white they are syrians

If you view race as a social construct dependent on specific context that varies by location and purpose like legal, social, or personal identity, "white" can have multiple applications:

GoogleAI Overview:

"In the United States

• "Legally/On the Census: The U.S. Census Bureau, in adherence to the 1997 Office of Management and Budget standards, currently classifies people with origins in the Middle East or North Africa (which includes most of West Asia) as white. This classification originated from early 20th-century court cases where individuals from these regions sought 'white status' to avoid anti-Asian immigration laws and gain citizenship privileges.
• Socially: Many people of West Asian descent and other Americans do not perceive them as white in a social context. West Asians often face an identity crisis, feeling different from the majority, and may not enjoy the social privileges associated with being white."

 

[wamose]

It shouldn't be allowed to call itself the US census. It's more of a certificate of occupancy, since they're counting illegal aliens. White, Red, Brown or Yellow shouldn't matter at all. Since the census is used in determining government representation, it should only count citizens.

 

[georgephillip]

It shouldn't be allowed to call itself the US census. It's more of a certificate of occupancy, since they're counting illegal aliens. White, Red, Brown or Yellow shouldn't matter at all. Since the census is used in determining government representation, it should only count citizens.

The 14th Amendment requires counting all persons in each state, so are you in favor of changing the Constitution?

 

[davebb]

I'll check with Sherwin Williams when they open Monday.

 

[ThisIsMe]

The 14th Amendment requires counting all persons in each state, so are you in favor of changing the Constitution?

No, when they wrote the cotus, they probably expected that border security would be upheld. They probably never envisioned that people would be facilitating the country to be overrun by non citizens.

 

[Failzero]

No, when they wrote the cotus, they probably expected that border security would be upheld. They probably never envisioned that people would be facilitating the country to be overrun by non citizens.

The Census did not count Slaves or British Nationals or members of otter Countries consulates … there are legally uncounted people

 

[georgephillip]

No, when they wrote the cotus, they probably expected that border security would be upheld. They probably never envisioned that people would be facilitating the country to be overrun by non citizens.

The Framers were probably more concerned with the indigenous population they were exterminating than with illegal migrants.

They also wanted representation in Congress to reflect the total population living in each state whether they were eligible to vote or not.

ChatGPT: "Why does the US Constitution count persons and not citizens?"

"1. The Framers wanted representation tied to population, not voting​

"In 1787, many people living in the United States were not voters—women, children, non-citizens, enslaved people, and many free men without property. If representation were based only on citizens or voters, states would have had far smaller delegations in Congress.


"So Article I, Section 2 mandates an 'enumeration' of:

"'the whole number of persons'"
(with the horrific Three-Fifths exception for enslaved people, later abolished by the 14th Amendment)

"The idea was:
Even if someone can’t vote, they still live in the state and rely on its infrastructure, economy, and congressional decisions. Therefore, they 'count' for representation."

 

[georgephillip]

It shouldn't be allowed to call itself the US census. It's more of a certificate of occupancy, since they're counting illegal aliens. White, Red, Brown or Yellow shouldn't matter at all. Since the census is used in determining government representation, it should only count citizens.

Do you believe a member of Congress represents children, immigrants, non-voters, citizens, and everyone residing in the district?

 

[22lcidw]

The 14th Amendment requires counting all persons in each state, so are you in favor of changing the Constitution?

So, you are saying that the constitution can be used against itself to destroy the same constitution in a planned silent insurrection from extreme radicals who have gained more and more power to install a new type of government.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

The US census should include US citizens regardless of color

 

[ThisIsMe]

The Framers were probably more concerned with the indigenous population they were exterminating than with illegal migrants.

They also wanted representation in Congress to reflect the total population living in each state whether they were eligible to vote or not.

ChatGPT: "Why does the US Constitution count persons and not citizens?"

"1. The Framers wanted representation tied to population, not voting​

"In 1787, many people living in the United States were not voters—women, children, non-citizens, enslaved people, and many free men without property. If representation were based only on citizens or voters, states would have had far smaller delegations in Congress.


"So Article I, Section 2 mandates an 'enumeration' of:




"The idea was:
Even if someone can’t vote, they still live in the state and rely on its infrastructure, economy, and congressional decisions. Therefore, they 'count' for representation."

That makes no difference. Census directly affects electoral votes, so, yes, they do "vote" just indirectly.

 

[Captain Creeper]

When i was a kid i thought kurds iranians syrians lebanese assyrians etc are brown like gypsies southasians but i didnt looked closer and was influenced by austrians who said im a turk now i observed around me
And westasians are definitely white

My barbers are white they are syrians

What manner of dumbfuckery is this?!?

 

[georgephillip]

So, you are saying that the constitution can be used against itself to destroy the same constitution in a planned silent insurrection from extreme radicals who have gained more and more power to install a new type of government.

I'm saying the Framers wanted representation tied to population, not voting because in 1787 many people living in the US were not entitled to vote including, women, children, non-citizens, enslaved people, and many free white men without property.

 

[wamose]

The 14th Amendment requires counting all persons in each state, so are you in favor of changing the Constitution?

That's your interpretation of the 14th, not something that is written in stone.

 

[Mortimer]

If you view race as a social construct dependent on specific context that varies by location and purpose like legal, social, or personal identity, "white" can have multiple applications:

GoogleAI Overview:

"In the United States

• "Legally/On the Census: The U.S. Census Bureau, in adherence to the 1997 Office of Management and Budget standards, currently classifies people with origins in the Middle East or North Africa (which includes most of West Asia) as white. This classification originated from early 20th-century court cases where individuals from these regions sought 'white status' to avoid anti-Asian immigration laws and gain citizenship privileges.
• Socially: Many people of West Asian descent and other Americans do not perceive them as white in a social context. West Asians often face an identity crisis, feeling different from the majority, and may not enjoy the social privileges associated with being white."

I can understand and agree
I just think that scientifically it makes no sense to think of lets say a cypriot as white because they are ethnically and culturally greeks because they are by look and by genetics related to syrians lebanese etc and not to think of syrians or lebanese as white
But i can follow how someone if he says im 'a arab' or 'muslim' is seen as socially different and does not enjoy all white privileges

 

[georgephillip]

That's your interpretation of the 14th, not something that is written in stone.

The 14th Amendment requires counting all persons instead of citizens because everyone residing in a state, regardless of citizenship, is affected by government and its laws and should have their presence represented in Congress.

GoogleAI Overview:

• "Historical context: The 14th Amendment was enacted after the Civil War to repeal the previous 'three-fifths' compromise for enslaved people. Congress rejected proposals to base apportionment on the number of citizens alone, as this would have given Southern states more power if they continued to disenfranchise newly freed slaves. The use of 'persons' was intended to ensure that all residents were counted for representation purposes, even if they couldn't vote."

 

[georgephillip]

I can understand and agree
I just think that scientifically it makes no sense to think of lets say a cypriot as white because they are ethnically and culturally greeks because they are by look and by genetics related to syrians lebanese etc and not to think of syrians or lebanese as white
But i can follow how someone if he says im 'a arab' or 'muslim' is seen as socially different and does not enjoy all white privileges

The relationship between skin pigmentation and race is shaped by genetics, evolution, and ancestry, but they are not a strict match since race is a social construct, while skin color is a physical trait determined by the amount and type of melanin and influenced by genetic and environmental factors.

GoogleAI Overview:

"While populations in certain geographical regions tend to have similar skin tones due to natural selection, there is significant variation within racial groups and skin color can appear in populations from different ancestries."

 

[Mortimer]

The relationship between skin pigmentation and race is shaped by genetics, evolution, and ancestry, but they are not a strict match since race is a social construct, while skin color is a physical trait determined by the amount and type of melanin and influenced by genetic and environmental factors.

GoogleAI Overview:

"While populations in certain geographical regions tend to have similar skin tones due to natural selection, there is significant variation within racial groups and skin color can appear in populations from different ancestries."

I generally tend to agree but i think race is genetics skin pigmentation body built morphology and ancestry and social construct if it were only a social construct a japanese could be african american or a irish could be a oceanian papuan
But i agree its partly a social construct it has multiple layers