The problems with the Boeing 737 Max continue

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

I was just discussing explosive decompression with another member here a few days ago but that was regarding known design issues with the McDonnel Douglas DC-10 aircraft almost half a century ago.

I was working at the Boeing facility in Renton, WA when they first began reconfiguring the plant so that they would have an extra line on which to manufacture the 737-MAX and there were safety concerns raised regarding the aircraft back then.

These previous concerns manifested when two of the MAXes crashed within months of each other when during takeoff, one of the onboard computer wrested control of the aircraft from the pilots and put the aircraft into a nosedown configuration "thinking" that a stall was imminent. The pilots could not regain control from the computer and it crashed both aircraft by essentially flying them into the ground/sea.

Netflix did a documentary on Boeing a few years ago which was quite eye opening especially in light of the information already revealed: Watch Downfall: The Case Against Boeing | Netflix Official Site

The FAA has grounded some of Boeing's 737-Max aircraft after the Alaska Airlines incident on the evening of Friday, January 5th, 2024 in which the aircraft lost a portion of its fuselage when it blew off during its ascent to flight level:

Live updates: Alaska Airlines emergency on Boeing 737 Max 9 prompts FAA grounding

The FAA has temporarily grounded certain Boeing 737 Max 9 aircraft after a section of an Alaska Airlines plane blew out of the aircraft mid-flight on Friday, officials said. Follow for live updates.

www.cnn.com

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/06/us/passengers-alaska-airlines/index.html

 

[1srelluc]

I heard a door fell off.

 

[pknopp]

Boeing was shown to have put profits over the safety of the people and basically got a slap on the wrist. No one held accountable. They need sued far into bankruptcy and officials at Boeing need to be in prison.

 

[0311]

I was just discussing explosive decompression with another member here a few days ago but that was regarding known design issues with the McDonnel Douglas DC-10 aircraft almost half a century ago.

I was working at the Boeing facility in Renton, WA when they first began reconfiguring the plant so that they would have an extra line on which to manufacture the 737-MAX and there were safety concerns raised regarding the aircraft back then.

These previous concerns manifested when two of the MAXes crashed within months of each other when during takeoff, one of the onboard computer wrested control of the aircraft from the pilots and put the aircraft into a nosedown configuration "thinking" that a stall was imminent. The pilots could not regain control from the computer and it crashed both aircraft by essentially flying them into the ground/sea.

Netflix did a documentary on Boeing a few years ago which was quite eye opening especially in light of the information already revealed: Watch Downfall: The Case Against Boeing | Netflix Official Site

The FAA has grounded some of Boeing's 737-Max aircraft after the Alaska Airlines incident on the evening of Friday, January 5th, 2024 in which the aircraft lost a portion of its fuselage when it blew off during its ascent to flight level:

Live updates: Alaska Airlines emergency on Boeing 737 Max 9 prompts FAA grounding

The FAA has temporarily grounded certain Boeing 737 Max 9 aircraft after a section of an Alaska Airlines plane blew out of the aircraft mid-flight on Friday, officials said. Follow for live updates.

www.cnn.com

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/06/us/passengers-alaska-airlines/index.html

The FAA sent out orders the 737-Max worldwide.

 

[Manonthestreet]

How much diversity hiring do they do

 

[0311]

How much diversity hiring do they do

What's matter? Darker skin colors scare you?

 

[White 6]

How much diversity hiring do they do

There is nothing to indicate, that had anything to do with the structural failure at that door, nor the computer programming that was taking over the planes and crashed two of them.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

I heard a door fell off.

They're referring to it as a "plug" in the news. They make it sound like it's not an actual door but serves some other purpose.

 

[luiza]

Is this symptomatic of a more general decline in standards from those forming part of the industrial and military complex or associated with it ?

Look at USeLess weapons used in Ukraine .
Bradleys , Abram Tanks , Patriot systems , HIMARS .
With F16s reckoned a certainty to maintain the failure trend by experts, if they ever start to fly in the war zone

 

[WorldWatcher]

They're referring to it as a "plug" in the news. They make it sound like it's not an actual door but serves some other purpose.

I was talking to a 757 Pilot on another board.

Depending on the aircraft configuration (number of passengers to be carried), below a certain number they are not required to have a mid-cabin evacuation route. Over that number there is a requirement.

In this aircrafts case the configuration was below the threshold so the "door" was not operational and was "plugged". Cosmetically from the inside you wouldn't even know there was framing for a door because it was covered with the normal interior including having a window.

WW

 

[22lcidw]

What's matter? Darker skin colors scare you?

Dying from inferiority and incompetence scares people more. No matter who is the employee. Trust can be lost in products we come to feel safe in.

 

[0311]

Dying from inferiority and incompetence scares people more. No matter who is the employee. Trust can be lost in products we come to feel safe in.

Do YOU, as the bigot that you are have that inferiority or incompetence of any proof than someone of a darker skin had anything to do with this aircraft? I'm betting NO. All you have is your racism. YOU have no proof, so you blame an unknown person of a different race, different religion, different ethnicity than you.

Just to let you know, the White European Caucazoid the minority in the world. Your skin color don't shit. It's your ability and your knowledge. Just because you are DUMB and White don't matter.

 

[sealybobo]

Do YOU, as the bigot that you are have that inferiority or incompetence of any proof than someone of a darker skin had anything to do with this aircraft? I'm betting NO. All you have is your racism. YOU have no proof, so you blame an unknown person of a different race, different religion, different ethnicity than you.

Just to let you know, the White European Caucazoid the minority in the world. Your skin color don't shit. It's your ability and your knowledge. Just because you are DUMB and White don't matter.

Boeing is one of the last great American manufacturing companies. And while the planes are assembled in the U.S., most of their parts come from overseas.

So we may blame the American workers for how they put it together or the overseas manufacturer. Stay tuned.

 

[pknopp]

Boeing is one of the last great American manufacturing companies. And while the planes are assembled in the U.S., most of their parts come from overseas.

So we may blame the American workers for how they put it together or the overseas manufacturer. Stay tuned.

It's the fault of neither. The fault lies at the top with those whose only concern is their next bonus and "shareholder value".

Boeing knew they had a problem but continued to allow the planes to fly. You will note that the seats next to the door were left empty. It's extreme luck that ended up with no one dead.

 

[sealybobo]

It's the fault of neither. The fault lies at the top with those whose only concern is their next bonus and "shareholder value".

Boeing knew they had a problem but continued to allow the planes to fly. You will note that the seats next to the door were left empty. It's extreme luck that ended up with no one dead.

Corporations who know they have a defect decide if they are going to recall based on the numbers. If they think only 5 people max will die and sue and settle for $5 million each that's $25 million. Or they could recall all of them, cost them $50 million and no one will die??? They'll pick 5 to die and save $25 mill.

 

[Mr Natural]

It should be comforting to those who fly to know that the man made machine they’re flying in was made as cheaply as possible.

 

[Zebra]

Boeing was shown to have put profits over the safety of the people and basically got a slap on the wrist. No one held accountable. They need sued far into bankruptcy and officials at Boeing need to be in prison.

they are criminal!

 

[Zebra]

anything new now?

 

[Jim H - VA USA]

You won't read this anywhere else....

They knew that the door plug might blow.....

• The depressurization warning light alerted on December 7th, January 3rd, and January 4th.
• The light was reset, even though it is a warning sign of a leak or forthcoming failure, and the plane was allowed to keep flying.
• The plane was restricted from flying over large bodies of water (because they knew there was probably a problem).
• The flight was packed. There were 177 passengers (incl crew) on board with 178 seats [Link]. Some infants were on laps.
• The two seats next to the door plug were vacant - what are the chances? They kept those seats empty because they knew the plug might blow.
• Before the door plug blew, passengers described hearing a whooshing sound as the plane presumably began to depressurize.

Speculation: prior passengers had complained of the noise in the seats near the leaking plug.

Before a door plug flew off an Alaska Airlines plane, an advisory light came on 3 times

Flight crew said Friday's Boeing 737 Max 9 flight was chaotic, "loud" and "very violent" after a paneled-over door flew off during a Portland departure.

alaskapublic.org

 

[pknopp]

That's why no one was sitting in those seats. Once again, Boeing knew they had a real problem but rather than risk losing money they simply hoped for the best.