The DANGEROUS Misperception of the American Military

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In this OP, I'm doing something I've never done before. I'm linking to an article that I have not read. I don't have to. And you don't either. Just the subtitle is enough for me to make my commentary

Since I don't have 2 days to read this very lengthy article, I will simply speak to part of the subtitle which reads > "strategic folly combine to lure America into endless wars it can’t win" By this, is the author talking about Afghanistan and Iraq ? If so, he is dead WRONG.

There is nothing foolish about the US military fighting in these 2 countries. In Afghanistan, even Obama (as anti-war as he is) is leaving 9800 troops. He knows that the # 1 threat to American national security is the 100+ nuclear missles in Pakistan. With a fragile govt there, and millions of Muslim jihadist lunatics trying to get their hands on those nukes, US troops need to be there to be in close proximity, to be able to quickly seize and secure those nukes, when need be, and move them to a secure location, far away from the Pakistani jihadists.

In Iraq, you have the largest unproven oil reserves in the world + one of the largest proven reserves. This is enormous wealth, which if acquired, could give a rag-tag band of terrorists (ever hear of ISIS ?) a nuclear arsenal.
The presence of a formidable force of US troops in both of these countries, is more important than anywhere they have ever been at any time in American history, including World War II. As far as the mention of "endless", did anyone ever think it was going to be anything other than that ? Why would it, when this jihad has been going on for 1400 years already. And 1000 years from now, historians will ask what was Obama doing by pulling troops out of Afghanistan in 2010 ? Trying to scour up delusional ultra-liberal votes, I guess (while placing the American people in dangerous jeopardy).

As for the word "win", one must assess what "win" means in a Muslim jihad war. It isn't like World War II, where you beat down your opponent, and then it's over. This war is indeed endless. You don't "win" it by ending it. You win it by preventing the American nation from being annihilated by nuclear missles, bombs, biological weapons, etc all over the country, day in and day out, year in and year out, century in and century out.

There is no "won". There is only continuous, endless "winnING."

http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2014/12/the-tragedy-of-the-american-military/383516/
 
The only reason why we did not win in either Iraq or Afghanistan, and there is only one, is that we have lost the concept of VICTORY. We wanted to fight to a stalemate and force concessions. The enemy wanted victory so, of course, they won.
 
The only reason why we did not win in either Iraq or Afghanistan, and there is only one, is that we have lost the concept of VICTORY. We wanted to fight to a stalemate and force concessions. The enemy wanted victory so, of course, they won.
So you completely DISAGREE with me. Well, I completely disagree with you, and I stand by what I said in the OP 100%. "Victory" in Muslim jihad war, is simply survival. It's like eating. Like the battle against starvation. You don't really "win" it by ending it. Like nutjob Muslims, the starvation factor doesn't go away. You win it, by continuously eating, all of your life, thereby preventing death.
 
Another very prescient Atlantic Monthly three-part essay was Robert Kaplan's The Coming Anarchy. It was expanded into a full-length book in the early-90's. It treats much of the same material covered by Fallows, that our OP apparently couldn't be bothered reading. Kaplan's essay is required homework at the State Department, the Pentagon, the War College, and in the rooms of every war planner and foreign service office in the West.

The Coming Anarchy - The Atlantic
 
The only reason why we did not win in either Iraq or Afghanistan, and there is only one, is that we have lost the concept of VICTORY. We wanted to fight to a stalemate and force concessions. The enemy wanted victory so, of course, they won.
So you completely DISAGREE with me. Well, I completely disagree with you, and I stand by what I said in the OP 100%. "Victory" in Muslim jihad war, is simply survival. It's like eating. Like the battle against starvation. You don't really "win" it by ending it. Like nutjob Muslims, the starvation factor doesn't go away. You win it, by continuously eating, all of your life, thereby preventing death.
Another very prescient Atlantic Monthly three-part essay was Robert Kaplan's The Coming Anarchy. It was expanded into a full-length book in the early-90's. It treats much of the same material covered by Fallows, that our OP apparently couldn't be bothered reading. Kaplan's essay is required homework at the State Department, the Pentagon, the War College, and in the rooms of every war planner and foreign service office in the West.

The Coming Anarchy - The Atlantic

Form follows function. Fallows may have had some good things to say in his long article. Whether he did or not is irrelevant to MY point, which addresses the line in his subtitle, that I italicized in red, which is the topic of this thread, not whatever else Fallows talked about. If anyone wants to discuss the other stuff in Fallows article, they are free to open a thread and discuss it to their heart's content. I have no objection.
 
The treasonous democrat party undermined the mission in Iraq after they authorized it. How can we forget the democrat party affiliates investing 10k in a full page NY Times ad calling the commander of U.S. Troops ..."betray-us" while we were engaged in combat operations? How could the majority leader of the US senate get away with trying to influence the morale of the Troops when he said "the war is lost" just before the Troop Surge? Americans may be forgetful but the evidence is there.
 

In this OP, I'm doing something I've never done before. I'm linking to an article that I have not read. I don't have to. And you don't either. Just the subtitle is enough for me to make my commentary

Since I don't have 2 days to read this very lengthy article, I will simply speak to part of the subtitle which reads > "strategic folly combine to lure America into endless wars it can’t win" By this, is the author talking about Afghanistan and Iraq ? If so, he is dead WRONG.

There is nothing foolish about the US military fighting in these 2 countries. In Afghanistan, even Obama (as anti-war as he is) is leaving 9800 troops. He knows that the # 1 threat to American national security is the 100+ nuclear missles in Pakistan. With a fragile govt there, and millions of Muslim jihadist lunatics trying to get their hands on those nukes, US troops need to be there to be in close proximity, to be able to quickly seize and secure those nukes, when need be, and move them to a secure location, far away from the Pakistani jihadists.

In Iraq, you have the largest unproven oil reserves in the world + one of the largest proven reserves. This is enormous wealth, which if acquired, could give a rag-tag band of terrorists (ever hear of ISIS ?) a nuclear arsenal.
The presence of a formidable force of US troops in both of these countries, is more important than anywhere they have ever been at any time in American history, including World War II. As far as the mention of "endless", did anyone ever think it was going to be anything other than that ? Why would it, when this jihad has been going on for 1400 years already. And 1000 years from now, historians will ask what was Obama doing by pulling troops out of Afghanistan in 2010 ? Trying to scour up delusional ultra-liberal votes, I guess (while placing the American people in dangerous jeopardy).

As for the word "win", one must assess what "win" means in a Muslim jihad war. It isn't like World War II, where you beat down your opponent, and then it's over. This war is indeed endless. You don't "win" it by ending it. You win it by preventing the American nation from being annihilated by nuclear missles, bombs, biological weapons, etc all over the country, day in and day out, year in and year out, century in and century out.

There is no "won". There is only continuous, endless "winnING."

[URL='http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2014/12/the-tragedy-of-the-american-military/383516/[/QUOTE']http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2014/12/the-tragedy-of-the-american-military/383516/[/URL]

I believe that the US will not be in another war like WW I, WWII, Korea, Vietnam again. I do believe that we will be engaged in regional conflicts similar to Iran and Afghanistan. However, we cannot be constrained by the idea that limited war will win us friends. If the Military is used it must be employed to its fullest strength with out constraint. Yes this means there will be civilian casualties and if you do not like that idea do not use the military to solve your political failures.
 

EARTH TO DBLACK: War Pigs was written in the 1960s and released in 1970, DURING THE VIETNAM WAR.
In the year, I was a protestor against the Vietnam War and a rock musician, and one of the anti-war songs my band used to pal was "War Pigs"
But none of that has one iota to do with the war against Islamic jihad that we are fighting NOW, in 2015. This war is entirely different . Now, we the US, UK, France, et al, are the good guys, and it is the Islamist loonies who are the war pigs (ISIS, AQAP, AQY, Hamas, Boko Haram, the Taliban, etc)
 
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