The Big Beautiful Bill--inside the Trojan Horse

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Like the magician, directing your eyes one way while he slyly pulls of the "gimmick", the part that makes the magic trick work. A 1,000 page Trojan Horse with two gimmicks hid from sight. The purpose of those gimmicks, installing the Republican party as the single party in a totalitarian government.


The first of these outrageous policies — buried in Section 70302 of the legislation— would severely restrict federal courts’ authority to hold government officials in contempt if they violate judicial orders.

A court’s ability to hold bad actors in contempt is a vital enforcement power that judges can use to compel compliance with their rulings.

When somebody chooses to violate a court order, the judge who issued the ruling has a few different options to force them to comply, including holding them in contempt and issuing sanctions, fines, or even jail time until the order is followed.

But the reconciliation bill would require anyone suing the government to pay a bond before the court can use its contempt power to enforce injunctions or restraining orders meant to halt illegal actions.

By restricting this authority, the House bill threatens the power of the judicial branch. On its own, that represents an attack on the rule of law and the separation of powers that underlies our democracy. But in the context of our current political moment, a more specific goal is unfortunately clear.

Courts have already ruled at least 170 times against the Trump administration, including a preliminary injunction sought by CLC that halted Trump’s unconstitutional attempt to change the rules for federal elections. In response to many of these rulings, the president has resisted compliance and waged intimidation campaigns targeting the judges responsible.

In light of all this, the House bill seems squarely and unacceptably focused on shielding the Trump administration from accountability when it breaks the law.

To make matters worse, the new rule would be so broad that it could allow any government actor to escape being held accountable for violating court rulings. It would also apply to court orders and injunctions issued before the law takes effect. This would render thousands of prior orders across the country immediately unenforceable through contempt proceedings, no matter how the public has already relied on them.



Read those last two paragraphs carefully. If we are going to start locking members of Congress up I would suggest that we lock up whoever proposed that particular component of the big beautiful bill, treason, plain and simple. A clear violation of their oath, to protect and defend the Constitution. The Trump administration would be free to ignore court orders without consequences. An almost immediate elimination of the very foundation of our Republic, checks and balances. And to add insult to injury, it retroactively applies to all court orders.

The second problematic provision — found within Section 43201(c) of the House reconciliation bill — would impose a 10-year ban on the enforcement of all state and local laws that regulate artificial intelligence (AI), including rules for AI’s use in political campaigns and elections

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Simply put, a 10-year ban on enforcing AI laws across the country could mean a decade of false information that undermines voters’ right to make informed decisions. It would be more than misguided, and outright dangerous for the future of truth and trust in our elections.


WTF--AI given free range? Who wants that? Is that what you voted for? I mean look at these two provisions. I was raised up with a simple mantra, right is might. Do what is right, stand up for what is right, then even a tiny ant can move a rubber tree plant. But that is not what is happening here. In fact, it turns that on its head. It is not about wrong or right, it is about might, period.

See, if Trump and his supporters knew their actions were "right", they wouldn't need the first provision. They could defend themselves against those contempt charges appealing them all the way to a SCOTUS that they virtually own. But evidently, not to the extent they desire. And if Trump and his supporters knew that Trump won the election without AI manipulating the weak and the ignorant, they wouldn't need the second provision.

In a fully functioning Republic, well neither of those two provisions would have even been proposed. In a slightly functioning Republic, well they might get proposed but would probably be shot down during debate, and certainly, no bill containing those provisions could have passed the House. We have one last hope.

And no, it is not the Senate. It is the Senate parliamentarian. She has raised concerns that those two proposals would prevent the passage of the Big Beautiful Bill on a simple majority vote, the Byrd rule. The Republic is hanging on by a thread, and the Republican Senate has already ignored guidance from the parliamentarian in this term.
 
Its already been noted that things like this can not be included (by a Republican at that) in a budget reconciliation bill.

(as you note)
 
Its already been noted that things like this can not be included (by a Republican at that) in a budget reconciliation bill.

(as you note)
But will that stop them from doing it anyway?
 
Maybe the 5th or 6th thread on this?

Yo shitlib clowns are out of material.
There should be 100 about something this outrageous.

If you are the supporter of law and order that you claim to be you should be starting half of them.
 
There should be 100 about something this outrageous.

If you are the supporter of law and order that you claim to be you should be starting half of them.
Like Biden going ahead with student loans forgiveness. After the Supreme Court ruled he couldn't? That law and order?
 
There should be 100 about something this outrageous.

If you are the supporter of law and order that you claim to be you should be starting half of them.
What is so outrageous about the proposal?
 
If you can't see it I can't explain it to you. It would be like trying to describe red to a blind man.
LOL You've been ordered to be outraged, so you are blindly outraged. Perhaps some of your fellow cultists can help you out and explain the outrage.
 
LOL You've been ordered to be outraged, so you are blindly outraged. Perhaps some of your fellow cultists can help you out and explain the outrage.
No, son. You are confusing me with yourself. You are, after all, the one who can't understand that the tRumpers are trying to fundamentally alter the legal landscape to favor themselves in any dispute. A legal landscape, BTW, that you guys have used very effectively against legislation you disliked in the past.

Anywho, the OP describes pretty clearly how it violates the separation of powers, maybe you should reread it.
 
No, son. You are confusing me with yourself. You are, after all, the one who can't understand that the tRumpers are trying to fundamentally alter the legal landscape to favor themselves in any dispute. A legal landscape, BTW, that you guys have used very effectively against legislation you disliked in the past.

Anywho, the OP describes pretty clearly how it violates the separation of powers, maybe you should reread it.
OK You made it clear the first time. You have no idea why you should be outraged. We got it.
 
What is so outrageous about the proposal?
Seriously? Let's take each of the two, the injunction bond and AI, separately. First, the injunction bond. I can understand that not everyone understands the importance of checks and balances within our form of government. I can understand that they have no concept of the absolute genius that is our founders. That is a reflection of an educational system that has completely failed the people. But that is a thread in and of itself.

If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself.
All bolded text within this thread are direct quotes from Federalist 51. The above the one most quoted. And it really is applicable here. The MAGA movement supporters honestly believe that Trump is an angel. An angel sent down from heaven riding on his white horse. Therefore, there is no need for checks and balances. The absolute insanity of such a belief defies imagination.

It is of great importance in a republic not only to guard the society against the oppression of its rulers, but to guard one part of the society against the injustice of the other part. Different interests necessarily exist in different classes of citizens. If a majority be united by a common interest, the rights of the minority will be insecure.

That is precisely what is happening here. I mean illegal immigrants might be the most visible example of the rights of the minority being trampled by the majority. And yes, even illegal immigrants have Constitutional rights. But the really big one, the transgender community. I mean what a small percentage of the population. They don't even manage to get to one percent. And those attempting to participate in female athletes, it doesn't even come to one percent of one percent. Yet look at all the attention given to them by the MAGA movement supporters. It is a small minority easily demonized by the majority. Classic.

So, there is the first part, the injunction bond, and elimination of the power of the judicial branch utilizing contempt of court charges, is nothing more than a nuclear bomb launched at the Judicial departments powers within a checks and balances system. I mean today, well it is immigrants, asylum seekers, children with birthright citizenship, the Trump administration can deport them all, send them to foreign prisons. The courts can deem that unconstitutional, but without the power of enforcing contempt of court charges, Trump can continue to carry on. Tomorrow, it might be the disabled, after all, they are a drain on our limited resources. Ship them the hell out.

But the AI one, that really boggles my mind. I mean that ten year ban on laws attempting to control AI, it has one purpose, to allow the Republican party, the MAGA movement, to continue to use AI to manipulate the people via social media. I mean that is it. First of all, it is an open admission that that is exactly what has been going on, rather it was the election in 2020 or 2024. But it comes at what cost?

AI is the new thing. It is growing in power exponentially. Ten years from now, who knows how much power it will have. Already, economists are predicting that more than half of all entry level jobs will be eliminated by AI. I mean I get one more call from some AI robot talking about getting me all the benefits I deserve from Medicare and I am going to go postal. Pull into the drive-thru to order, fucking AI robot takes the order. And the really funny part, some of that big beautiful bill was written by AI. It would be scary if we figure out this AI was written by, well AI.

But I doubt that. Probably inserted by one of the college dropout MAGA representatives, you got plenty to choose from. I mean sacrificing the ability to control AI and its impact simply to protect an electoral advantage has got be one of the stupidest things ever. Talk about something guaranteed to come back and bite you in the ass.

Look, I don't care what your political tint is. I don't see how anyone can support this. But then again, as PT Barnum said, you can never underestimate the intelligence of the American public.
 
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