The basic problem with alarmists

[westwall]

As we have been saying all along. There are very real problems that we as a people can mitigate given the proper resources. The alarmists however could care less about fixing real problems. As evidence I present the President of Mexico speaking at the UN climate conference in Cancun..

"Mexican President Felipe Calderon told negotiators in Cancun today that global warming already is causing natural disasters in his nation, killing at least 60 people this year in storms and events linked to turbulent weather alone in his country and 1,000 in Guatemala.

“Climate change is already a reality for us,” Calderon said. “When we are negotiating we should think of our children. We should think of the generations to come. In this territory there can be no rivalries. It is a shared challenge.”

U.S., EU Expect Limited Progress at Climate Talks, No Treaty - BusinessWeek

All of this while an average of 52 people A DAY are murdered in his country.

Latin American Herald Tribune - 19,000 Murders in Mexico

This is a problem that could be controlled at least a little...but not so long as the loonies are running the asylum.

 

[Old Rocks]

AGU Revises Statement on Global Warming | Desert News

The observed rapid retreat of Arctic sea ice is expected to continue and lead to the disappearance of summertime ice within this century. Evidence from most oceans and all continents except Antarctica shows warming attributable to human activities. Recent changes in many physical and biological systems are linked with this regional climate change. A sustained research effort, involving many AGU members and summarized in the 2007 assessments of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, continues to improve our scientific understanding of the climate.

During recent millennia of relatively stable climate, civilization became established and populations have grown rapidly. In the next 50 years, even the lower limit of impending climate change – an additional global mean warming of 1 degree Celsius above the last decade – is far beyond the range of climate variability experienced during the past thousand years and poses global problems in planning for and adapting to it. Warming greater than 2 degrees Celsius above 19th century levels is projected to be disruptive, reducing global agricultural productivity, causing widespread loss of biodiversity, and – if sustained over centuries – melting much of the Greenland ice sheet with ensuing rise in sea level of several meters. If this 2 degrees Celsius warming is to be avoided, then our net annual emissions of carbon dioxide must be reduced by more than 50 percent within this century. With such projections, there are many sources of scientific uncertainty, but none are known that could make the impact of climate change inconsequential. Given the uncertainty in climate projections, there can be surprises that may cause more dramatic disruptions than anticipated from the most probable model projections.

With climate change, as with ozone depletion, the human footprint on Earth is apparent. The cause of disruptive climate change, unlike ozone depletion, is tied to energy use and runs through modern society. Solutions will necessarily involve all aspects of society. Mitigation strategies and adaptation responses will call for collaborations across science, technology, industry, and government. Members of the AGU, as part of the scientific community, collectively have special responsibilities: to pursue research needed to understand it; to educate the public on the causes, risks, and hazards; and to communicate clearly and objectively with those who can implement policies to shape future climate.

 

[Revere]

Now that C02 is an international laugher, they are moving on to refrigerants and other compounds.

 

[westwall]

AGU Revises Statement on Global Warming | Desert News

The observed rapid retreat of Arctic sea ice is expected to continue and lead to the disappearance of summertime ice within this century. Evidence from most oceans and all continents except Antarctica shows warming attributable to human activities. Recent changes in many physical and biological systems are linked with this regional climate change. A sustained research effort, involving many AGU members and summarized in the 2007 assessments of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, continues to improve our scientific understanding of the climate.

During recent millennia of relatively stable climate, civilization became established and populations have grown rapidly. In the next 50 years, even the lower limit of impending climate change – an additional global mean warming of 1 degree Celsius above the last decade – is far beyond the range of climate variability experienced during the past thousand years and poses global problems in planning for and adapting to it. Warming greater than 2 degrees Celsius above 19th century levels is projected to be disruptive, reducing global agricultural productivity, causing widespread loss of biodiversity, and – if sustained over centuries – melting much of the Greenland ice sheet with ensuing rise in sea level of several meters. If this 2 degrees Celsius warming is to be avoided, then our net annual emissions of carbon dioxide must be reduced by more than 50 percent within this century. With such projections, there are many sources of scientific uncertainty, but none are known that could make the impact of climate change inconsequential. Given the uncertainty in climate projections, there can be surprises that may cause more dramatic disruptions than anticipated from the most probable model projections.

With climate change, as with ozone depletion, the human footprint on Earth is apparent. The cause of disruptive climate change, unlike ozone depletion, is tied to energy use and runs through modern society. Solutions will necessarily involve all aspects of society. Mitigation strategies and adaptation responses will call for collaborations across science, technology, industry, and government. Members of the AGU, as part of the scientific community, collectively have special responsibilities: to pursue research needed to understand it; to educate the public on the causes, risks, and hazards; and to communicate clearly and objectively with those who can implement policies to shape future climate.

2008 again? Can't you find anything that is actually current?

 

[Old Rocks]

Sure, in about a month, the lectures from the AGU conferance will be posted again. I expect to see somebody supporting your point of view on the podium. Right?

 

[elvis]

Sure, in about a month, the lectures from the AGU conferance will be posted again. I expect to see somebody supporting your point of view on the podium. Right?

What's a conferance?

 

[Old Rocks]

Oh my, a super mod spelling Nazi.

 

[elvis]

Oh my, a super mod spelling Nazi.

It's not my fault you can't spell above a third grade level, dipshit. Hopefully, you'll get a speak n spell for Christmas.

 

[Old Rocks]

Hmmm...... Unable to argue the subject, so you go looking for spelling errors. Real demostration of intellect.

 

[elvis]

Hmmm...... Unable to argue the subject, so you go looking for spelling errors. Real demostration of intellect.

No. It's just interesting that you ridicule others for their "intelligence" or lack thereof when you would fail a third grade spelling test.

 

[Old Rocks]

“I don’t give a damn for a man that can only spell a word one way.”

— Mark Twain

 

[Ravi]

Murder rates have nothing to do with global warming being true or false.

 

[elvis]

“I don’t give a damn for a man that can only spell a word one way.”

— Mark Twain

So you expect us to believe that you really know how to spell but choose not to?

 

[Old Rocks]

Not at all. My spelling is adaquete enough that everybody understands what the word represents. However, the subject is global warming, and the so called alarmists.

Odd, to use that term, for the 'alarmists' have made remarkably poor predictions. The actual rate of melt of the glaciers, ice caps, and sea ice has far exceeded the predictions made by the scientists involved in the research.

Now, silly ass, you can address the subject, or continue to yap about spelling. In the meantime, I have to go to work, a 12 hr overtime day. Just a $450 day for this poverty stricken lumpenprole.

 

[elvis]

Not at all. My spelling is adaquete enough that everybody understands what the word represents. However, the subject is global warming, and the so called alarmists.

Odd, to use that term, for the 'alarmists' have made remarkably poor predictions. The actual rate of melt of the glaciers, ice caps, and sea ice has far exceeded the predictions made by the scientists involved in the research.

Now, silly ass, you can address the subject, or continue to yap about spelling. In the meantime, I have to go to work, a 12 hr overtime day. Just a $450 day for this poverty stricken lumpenprole.

I was addressing the fact that you continually ridicule people for lack of intelligence when yours is obviously severely limited.

As for global warming, people on your side can't prove it's man-made, while the deniers can't prove it's a cycle.

 

[westwall]

Oh my, a super mod spelling Nazi.

It's not my fault you can't spell above a third grade level, dipshit. Hopefully, you'll get a speak n spell for Christmas.

 

[westwall]

Sure, in about a month, the lectures from the AGU conferance will be posted again. I expect to see somebody supporting your point of view on the podium. Right?

No, you won't see that as they are still trying to prop up their grant system. However, based on what was going on with the general membership, you will certainly see a big change in about a year, maybe less maybe a little more than a year but there are some big changes coming.

 

[westwall]

Murder rates have nothing to do with global warming being true or false.

True, however they ignore the basic murders that they could actually be doing something about and instead waste time and valuable resources on that which is un-fixable and even if we could modify the climate warmth is better than cold anyway so we would be shooting ourselves in the arse to drop the temps.

You will get to see the effects of cold this winter and many winters to follow as we enter into a normal cooling trend in line with normal cycles.

 

[westwall]

Not at all. My spelling is adaquete enough that everybody understands what the word represents. However, the subject is global warming, and the so called alarmists.

Odd, to use that term, for the 'alarmists' have made remarkably poor predictions. The actual rate of melt of the glaciers, ice caps, and sea ice has far exceeded the predictions made by the scientists involved in the research.

Now, silly ass, you can address the subject, or continue to yap about spelling. In the meantime, I have to go to work, a 12 hr overtime day. Just a $450 day for this poverty stricken lumpenprole.

What? Surely you jest there olfraud! Here is a guest post by Dr. John Christy of the University of Alabama (is that credentialed enough for you olfraud?) and he points out that Hansens predictions (you know that expert you revere) were WAY OFF. In fact he even failed to accurately predict the amount of CO2 that would be pumped into the atmosphere.
So the temps he predicted never materialized and all of thsi with MORE CO2 in the system than he predicted.

Accuracy? I think not!

Is Jim Hansen’s Global Temperature Skillful? | Watts Up With That?