Terrorist Murder In Jerusalem Synagogue

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I don't believe in any violence, but we have lots of it here, but it feels worst when it hits home doesn't it. I guess some Jews are still praying and worship who was it Goldstein, who did the massacre on the Pals while they were worshipping.

I see they
The family of the men said Israeli forces raided their homes following the attack and detained 12 family members, including Abu Jamal's wife, mother, and brothers Munther, Jamal, Imade, Murad, and Muawiya.

Good thing that doesn't happen in the states yet of course members of the families are questioned,

Yes Israel has itself to thank to push people to such limits.
 
Time to teach a terrible and frightful lesson as retaliation against those who perpetrated this outrage.

Attack 1 synagogue?

Flatten ten mosques in Rump Palestine.

Kill 4 rabbis?

Kill 40 Hamas leaders in Rump Palestine.

A 10-to-1 kill-ratio, to begin with.

If that isn't enough, increase the ratio.

As often as it takes.

Until the message finally gets through those thick Neanderthal skulls in Rump Palestine.
 
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Time to teach a terrible and frightful lesson as retaliation against those who perpetrated this outrage.

The best part will be to see the Palestinians & their terrorist supporters ***** about how many more Palestinians wind up dead than Israeli's when Israel retaliates. Not too bright those Pali's & their supporters, are they?
 
Once again Israel got what Israel deserved for their treatment of Palestinians with peace offerings, a security fence & land concessions so the Palestinians can remain in Israel. When will Israel ever learn to treat the Palestinians like their own Arab brothers do in surrounding Arab countries?

Prayer massacre Three Americans among four rabbis killed as Palestinian militants storm Jerusalem synagogue - AOL.com


That's a horrible thing to happen...there's no excuse for killing people like that. I was glad to see Abbas denounce it.

Why do you feel the need to politicize it like that?
 
I don't believe in any violence, but we have lots of it here, but it feels worst when it hits home doesn't it. I guess some Jews are still praying and worship who was it Goldstein, who did the massacre on the Pals while they were worshipping.

I see they
The family of the men said Israeli forces raided their homes following the attack and detained 12 family members, including Abu Jamal's wife, mother, and brothers Munther, Jamal, Imade, Murad, and Muawiya.

Good thing that doesn't happen in the states yet of course members of the families are questioned,

Yes Israel has itself to thank to push people to such limits.

In the end - people are in control of their own actions. They can choose to attack unarmed innocents or they can attack other targets. When they do something like this - it doesn't help their cause at all.

And yes, Goldstein is still worshipped and made excuses for in some areas, particularly by settlers - but it's not mainstream.
 
...Why do you feel the need to politicize it like that?
For the very same reason that pro-Palestinian propaganda shills endlessly politicize actions by Israel.

Why do they feel the need to politicize such actions?

Pot...kettle... no mystery there.
 
Time to teach a terrible and frightful lesson as retaliation against those who perpetrated this outrage.

Attack 1 synagogue?

Flatten ten mosques in Rump Palestine.

Kill 4 rabbis?

Kill 40 Hamas leaders in Rump Palestine.

A 10-to-1 kill-ratio, to begin wityh.

If that isn't enough, increase the ratio.

As often as it takes.

Until the message finally gets through those thick Neanderthal skulls in Rump Palestine.


Sure, just kill more innocent people, that's the solution. Funny though - that's what they've been doing for 50 years now...hasn't worked very well.
 
Sure, just kill more innocent people, that's the solution. Funny though - that's what they've been doing for 50 years now...hasn't worked very well.
Somehow, I don't think that lying down and taking it, without retaliating, is an option.

Don't want to suffer highly disproportionate casualties?

Don't be stupid enough to poke Colossus in the toe with a twig.

Stop poking Colossus and the casualties stop.

This is not rocket science.
 
Sure, just kill more innocent people, that's the solution. Funny though - that's what they've been doing for 50 years now...hasn't worked very well.

Thing is, the Israeli powers are really not very bothered by this. Not by anyone dying on any side, however innocent.
Like the NRA in the US, their only question is:

"How can use use this to forward our agenda?"

In that respect, if Zionist Central could arrange to have a Synagogue attack every week, they would, as they could make use of every one.
 
Sure, just kill more innocent people, that's the solution. Funny though - that's what they've been doing for 50 years now...hasn't worked very well.
Somehow, I don't think that lying down and taking it, without retaliating, is an option.

Who even said that was an option?

You handle it within the law: arrest those responsible. Put them on trial. Figure out how to prevent it from happening again.

Don't want to suffer highly disproportionate casualties?

Don't be stupid enough to poke Colossus in the toe with a twig.

Stop poking Colossus and the casualties stop.

This is not rocket science.

Sure. But that strategy has been failing for over half a century.

Might be time to rethink it.
 
...Sure. But that strategy has been failing for over half a century. Might be time to rethink it.
Under the circumstances, there is no other viable and effective option.

Nothing left to do but to raise the stakes and to begin responding so devastatingly disproportionately as to make The Enemy come to the realization that they will be hurt vastly more than any hurt that they can inflict by initiating such actions - so as to make the people of Rump Palestine come to the realization that they have no choice but to rein-in their own crazies, or continue to suffer such unstoppable and disproportionate losses.

That is how wars are won, and this is, indeed, a war... let us all be clear about that.
 
...Sure. But that strategy has been failing for over half a century. Might be time to rethink it.
Under the circumstances, there is no other viable and effective option.

Nothing left to do but to raise the stakes and to begin responding so devastatingly disproportionately as to make The Enemy come to the realization that they will be hurt vastly more than any hurt that they can inflict by initiating such actions - so as to make the people of Rump Palestine come to the realization that they have no choice but to rein-in their own crazies, or continue to suffer such unstoppable and disproportionate losses.

That is how wars are won, and this is, indeed, a war... let us all be clear about that.

No.
Its a military occupation, with resistance.
They never work. Ask the Germans. Or the Turks. Or the Americans. Or the British.

You have a wet dream of committing genocide on Israel's enemies Kondor. Even that level of Israeli war crime would not work, as you would just create more and more powerful enemies.

You are wrong. You need to stop thinking in comic-book terms Kondor.
 
...Sure. But that strategy has been failing for over half a century. Might be time to rethink it.
Under the circumstances, there is no other viable and effective option.

Nothing left to do but to raise the stakes and to begin responding so devastatingly disproportionately as to make The Enemy come to the realization that they will be hurt vastly more than any hurt that they can inflict by initiating such actions - so as to make the people of Rump Palestine come to the realization that they have no choice but to rein-in their own crazies, or continue to suffer such unstoppable and disproportionate losses.

That is how wars are won, and this is, indeed, a war... let us all be clear about that.

No. Its a military occupation, with resistance. They never work. Ask the Germans. Or the Turks. Or the Americans. Or the British. You have a wet dream of committing genocide on Israel's enemies Kondor. Even that level of Israeli war crime would not work, as you would just create more and more powerful enemies. You are wrong. You need to stop thinking in comic-book terms Kondor.
Sit down, Junior... you've had your ass kicked enough for one morning.

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No. Its a military occupation, with resistance. They never work. Ask the Germans. Or the Turks. Or the Americans. Or the British. You have a wet dream of committing genocide on Israel's enemies Kondor. Even that level of Israeli war crime would not work, as you would just create more and more powerful enemies. You are wrong. You need to stop thinking in comic-book terms Kondor.
... morning.

You are off topic again Kondor.
 
...Sure. But that strategy has been failing for over half a century. Might be time to rethink it.
Under the circumstances, there is no other viable and effective option.

Nothing left to do but to raise the stakes and to begin responding so devastatingly disproportionately as to make The Enemy come to the realization that they will be hurt vastly more than any hurt that they can inflict by initiating such actions - so as to make the people of Rump Palestine come to the realization that they have no choice but to rein-in their own crazies, or continue to suffer such unstoppable and disproportionate losses.

That is how wars are won, and this is, indeed, a war... let us all be clear about that.

So....you continue a failed strategy hoping that next time the results will be different.

You do know what the definition of insanity is? Doing the same thing over and over thinking that the result will somehow be different.

If you get too brutal on non-combatants, especially children, the strategy backfires and people become more determined and have nothing left to lose.
 
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Coyote, et al,

I thought it was interesting that:
  • "Hamas, the militant Palestinian group that runs the Gaza Strip."
  • "Militant group the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) has claimed responsibility for the deadly attack on a Jerusalem synagogue. (International Business Times, November 18, 2014)
    • "The Front {PFLP} saluted the escalating heroic operations against Israeli soldiers and settlers in occupied Palestine, especially in the West Bank and Jerusalem, noting that this is an expected response to the crimes of the occupation and that resistance is the most effective method to defend our people against the systematic Zionist war on their existence." (FightBackNews Tuesday November 18, 2014)
Once again Israel got what Israel deserved for their treatment of Palestinians with peace offerings, a security fence & land concessions so the Palestinians can remain in Israel. When will Israel ever learn to treat the Palestinians like their own Arab brothers do in surrounding Arab countries?

Prayer massacre Three Americans among four rabbis killed as Palestinian militants storm Jerusalem synagogue - AOL.com


That's a horrible thing to happen...there's no excuse for killing people like that. I was glad to see Abbas denounce it.

Why do you feel the need to politicize it like that?
(COMMENT)

As I said previously (Posting #651: What do normal people think of Palestinians), many revolutionaries, terrorists, guerrillas, and insurgents (anti-government forces in general) attempt to masquerade as freedom fighters. But it is fairly clear that this is not a freedom fighting action. This is an act by cowards attacking the unarmed. Normally one would ask what pride there is in this? But HAMAS and the Abu Ali Mustafa Brigade have answered this for us.

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Most Respectfully,
R
 
I don't believe in any violence, but we have lots of it here, but it feels worst when it hits home doesn't it. I guess some Jews are still praying and worship who was it Goldstein, who did the massacre on the Pals while they were worshipping.

I see they
The family of the men said Israeli forces raided their homes following the attack and detained 12 family members, including Abu Jamal's wife, mother, and brothers Munther, Jamal, Imade, Murad, and Muawiya.

Good thing that doesn't happen in the states yet of course members of the families are questioned,

Yes Israel has itself to thank to push people to such limits.

In the end - people are in control of their own actions. They can choose to attack unarmed innocents or they can attack other targets. When they do something like this - it doesn't help their cause at all.

And yes, Goldstein is still worshipped and made excuses for in some areas, particularly by settlers - but it's not mainstream.

Thank you for pointing that tiny fact out
 
...Sure. But that strategy has been failing for over half a century. Might be time to rethink it.
Under the circumstances, there is no other viable and effective option.

Nothing left to do but to raise the stakes and to begin responding so devastatingly disproportionately as to make The Enemy come to the realization that they will be hurt vastly more than any hurt that they can inflict by initiating such actions - so as to make the people of Rump Palestine come to the realization that they have no choice but to rein-in their own crazies, or continue to suffer such unstoppable and disproportionate losses.

That is how wars are won, and this is, indeed, a war... let us all be clear about that.

So....you continue a failed strategy hoping that next time the results will be different...
That all depends on how you define 'failed strategy'.

If, by that, you mean that retaliation by the IDF, has failed to stop all violence, then, you are, indeed, correct.

If, by that, we view such retaliation, as a measure to contain the savages and to minimize their sorties and their effectiveness, then, you are, indeed, incorrect.

I take the latter view.

...You do know what the definition of insanity is? Doing the same thing over and over thinking that the result will somehow be different...
Adequately covered by tucking under the umbrella of the latter definition.

...If you get too brutal on non-combatants, especially children, the strategy backfires and people become more determined and have nothing left to lose.
Nobody (that I know) is advocating for brutality against children in this context.

However, highly disproportionate retaliation is fast becoming the only practical remedy for the foolhardiness of Hamas and their fellow travelers.

Hamas and related instigating violence is not going to stop until the residents of Rump Palestine come to the realization that they cannot win and that there is less danger to them in reining-in Hamas et al themselves than to continue suffering such disproportionate casualties.

This is a dirty and godless, soul-less business - war always is - so, the harsher the punishment for such terrorist actions, the sooner the war will end.

What was that old line about being cruel, to be kind?

Bullshit, usually, but oftentimes containing a modicum of truth, at the same time.

The residents of Rump Palestine know how to stop this... what is needed now is to complete the job of convincing them that they need to act upon that knowledge.

The near-collapse of Hamas during Gaza War II and their sudden caving-in to a dual control alongside Fatah is proof that the concept works.
 
Coyote, et al,

I thought it was interesting that:
  • "Hamas, the militant Palestinian group that runs the Gaza Strip."
  • "Militant group the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) has claimed responsibility for the deadly attack on a Jerusalem synagogue. (International Business Times, November 18, 2014)
    • "The Front {PFLP} saluted the escalating heroic operations against Israeli soldiers and settlers in occupied Palestine, especially in the West Bank and Jerusalem, noting that this is an expected response to the crimes of the occupation and that resistance is the most effective method to defend our people against the systematic Zionist war on their existence." (FightBackNews Tuesday November 18, 2014)
Once again Israel got what Israel deserved for their treatment of Palestinians with peace offerings, a security fence & land concessions so the Palestinians can remain in Israel. When will Israel ever learn to treat the Palestinians like their own Arab brothers do in surrounding Arab countries?

Prayer massacre Three Americans among four rabbis killed as Palestinian militants storm Jerusalem synagogue - AOL.com


That's a horrible thing to happen...there's no excuse for killing people like that. I was glad to see Abbas denounce it.

Why do you feel the need to politicize it like that?
(COMMENT)

As I said previously (Posting #651: What do normal people think of Palestinians), many revolutionaries, terrorists, guerrillas, and insurgents (anti-government forces in general) attempt to masquerade as freedom fighters. But it is fairly clear that this is not a freedom fighting action. This is an act by cowards attacking the unarmed. Normally one would ask what pride there is in this? But HAMAS and the Abu Ali Mustafa Brigade have answered this for us.
Most Respectfully,
R


The attackers are considered heroes today, and the attack brought the whites closer to giving in to ANC demands. Oliver Tambo, of who there are statues all over South Africa and after whom the Johannesburg International Airport is named, stated that it was a legitimate target. Why do you hold the Palestinians, as an occupied people trying to free themselves from Jew rule, to a different code than the non-whites in South Africa. Is it some sort of irrational hate for Arabs?

"May 20,1983

Car bomb in South Africa kills 16

At least 16 people have been killed and more than 130 people injured in a car bomb explosion in South Africa's capital city, Pretoria.
He said the explosion was the "biggest and ugliest" terrorist incident since anti-government violence began in South Africa 20 years ago.

He added: "Most of the victims were civilians..."

General Magnus Malan, South African's defence minister, described the explosion as a "cowardly, criminal deed in the Communist war being raged against South Africa".

He said more than 40,000 civilians had died as a result of terrorism in the past five years in Africa and 83,000 armed men had died.

Oliver Tambo, who is the organisation's acting president while its senior figure, Nelson Mandela, is in prison, said the Nedbank Square building was a legitimate target..."
 
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