Supreme Court upholds ghost gun ban.

[pknopp]

Just released so my link is actually older in explaining the case.

https://www.scotusblog.com/2024/10/court-likely-to-let-bidens-ghost-gun-regulation-stand/

Says it was 7-2, so even a "conservative" court refuses to uphold your outright, right to own a gun. When the government can restrict your right, you don't actually have that right.

 

[TNHarley]

They didnt ban them. They just made it like all other guns. They must have serial numbers, pass a background check and proof of age.

Supreme Court upholds Biden rule requiring serial numbers and background checks for ghost guns

The Supreme Court has upheld a Biden administration firearm regulation on nearly impossible-to-trace ghost guns.

apnews.com

 

[pknopp]

They didnt ban them. They just made it like all other guns. They must have serial numbers, pass a background check and proof of age.

Supreme Court upholds Biden rule requiring serial numbers and background checks for ghost guns

The Supreme Court has upheld a Biden administration firearm regulation on nearly impossible-to-trace ghost guns.

apnews.com

Or they are banned?

 

[TNHarley]

Or they are banned?

They arent banned. Gun kits will now be regulated like a completed gun.

 

[pknopp]

They arent banned. Gun kits will now be regulated like a completed gun.

And if they don't apply a serial number they are....................?

 

[TNHarley]

And if they don't apply a serial number they are....................?

Dude, they didnt freaking ban them. They are just regulated now. Get over yourself and your bullshit OP title.

 

[1srelluc]

Or they are banned?

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www.supremecourt.gov

The GCA embraces, and thus permits ATF to regulate, some weapon parts kits and unfinished frames or receivers, including those we have discussed.

Because the court of appeals held otherwise, its judgment is reversed, and the case is remanded for further proceedings consistent with this opinion.

It is so ordered.

 

[pknopp]

Dude, they didnt freaking ban them. They are just regulated now. Get over yourself and your bullshit OP title.

If they don't apply the serial number, they are illegal, correct?

 

[M14 Shooter]

This is good for the pro-gun side

The government represents that AR–15 receivers do not qualify as machinegun receivers, and this Court’s analysis of the GCA does not suggest ATF has authority to regulate them as such under the NFA

The root of the issue in the facial challenge:

While we recognize the problem, this case does not re-
quire us to untangle exactly how far subsection (A) reaches.
The plaintiffs argue only that §478.11’s provision address-
ing weapon parts kits is facially inconsistent with the stat-
ute. The Fifth Circuit adopted the same view after coming
to the unqualified conclusion that weapon parts kits can
never satisfy the statute’s two tests. To resolve this case, it
is enough to say those assessments are mistaken. Because
at least some weapon parts kits satisfy both of subsection
(A)’s tests, §478.11 is not facially invalid.

While not desirable, this is not an unfair position.


Net effect:
Not much,
You can still legally manufacture a firearm w/o a serial number and do so w/o a background check.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Dude, they didnt freaking ban them. They are just regulated now. Get over yourself and your bullshit OP title.

He's a troll, and doesn't understand anything in this decision.

 

[Rawley]

Says it was 7-2, so even a "conservative" court refuses to uphold your outright, right to own a gun. When the government can restrict your right, you don't actually have that right.

Huh? You don't have freedom of speech because you can't scream FIRE in a theater?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Just released so my link is actually older in explaining the case.

https://www.scotusblog.com/2024/10/court-likely-to-let-bidens-ghost-gun-regulation-stand/

Says it was 7-2, so even a "conservative" court refuses to uphold your outright, right to own a gun. When the government can restrict your right, you don't actually have that right.

Wrong.

The kits aren't banned, they're subject to the same regulations as other guns.

 

[1srelluc]

Net effect:
Not much,
You can still legally manufacture a firearm w/o a serial number and do so w/o a background check.

Yep. once you get past the hair on fire knee-jerk reactions that's what it boils down to.

Keep in mind this was not a 2A case. It was a regulatory case.

From Alito....a short explanation of what was really ruled on today.


All that the Court has actually held is that the ATF rule is not facially invalid because at least some applications of the rule are consistent with the statute. And the two examples that the Court cites are:

(1) a kit that contains all the parts needed to make a semiautomatic pistol and that can be assembled in 21 minutes, see ante, at 8–13, and (2) a frame (the old Polymer 80 kit) that can be made functional simply by clipping off two plastic tabs and drilling a few holes, ante, at 17–18, 21.

The Court has not held that any other kits or presently non-functional receivers are covered.

 

[Orangecat]

Poor OP. Beaten down like a rented mule.

 

[pknopp]

Huh? You don't have freedom of speech because you can't scream FIRE in a theater?

Um, you can. That is not illegal but I have no idea what that has to do with the topic.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

They didnt ban them. They just made it like all other guns. They must have serial numbers, pass a background check and proof of age.

Supreme Court upholds Biden rule requiring serial numbers and background checks for ghost guns

The Supreme Court has upheld a Biden administration firearm regulation on nearly impossible-to-trace ghost guns.

apnews.com

IIRC doesn't the US Constitution prohibit the government from devising schemes that identify individual gun owners?
What do you think all these government tricks are for?

 

[Rawley]

Um, you can. That is not illegal but I have no idea what that has to do with the topic.

Thanks for confirming that you have "no idea" what you are talking about.

 

[pknopp]

Thanks for confirming that you have "no idea" what you are talking about.

Yes, Mark Zuckerberg, You Can Shout 'Fire' in a Crowded Theater

But again, completely off topic.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

TEENAGERS used to bring rifles and shotguns TO SCHOOL in their pickup trucks.
As recently as the early 80's you could find loaded rifles in students vehicles in SCHOOL parking lots.
There was no mass panic. No screams or finger pointing. No murders.

"Mass shootings" were unheard of.
What happened?

LIBERALISM......MARXISM

Gun grabbers are all ideologues who believe the human condition (for everyone ELSE) is at it's best when they are under the iron grip control of a greater more intelligent guiding human (or group of humans) who knows whats best for them.
Individuality and personal freedom are not tolerated under this ideology.

Throughout human history, the most sinister atrocities and mass murders that have plagued humans have Liberalism and Marxism at the root because it is actually the most selfish and distorted pattern of human thinking conceivable.

 

[1srelluc]

Polymer 80 has been out of business for a while now.

Polymer80 Closes Its Doors After Mounting Legal Troubles - The Truth About Guns

Polymer80, at one time the largest manufacturer of 80% receiver kits for home gun builders, has shut down operations, becoming a casualty of the anti-Second Amendment agenda. The company caved to insurmountable legal defense and settlement costs that have plagued Polymer80 to the tune of...

www.thetruthaboutguns.com

3-D printing is all the rage now.....can't stop the signal Mal.