South Africa's de Klerk: Israel must reach peace

[pbel]

Acceptable peace now or non existence tomorrow?

JERUSALEM: South Africa's de Klerk: Israel must reach peace - World Wires - MiamiHerald.com

JERUSALEM -- South Africa's last president under white rule has suggested that Israel risks heading toward apartheid if it does not reach a peace deal with the Palestinians.

The comments by F.W. de Klerk echo warnings made by Palestinian, American and dovish Israeli officials. But his words carry special meaning, given his role in South Africa's painful history of race relations.

De Klerk was the last president under apartheid and along with the late Nelson Mandela, brought about the end to decades of systematic racial discrimination against blacks, jointly winning the 1993 Nobel Peace Prize.

Comparisons to South Africa's racist rule have increased in public discourse about Israel and its treatment of Palestinians. In April, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry — who had been mediating negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians — set off an uproar when he made a similar warning.

In an interview aired Tuesday on Israeli Channel 2 TV, de Klerk said calling Israel an apartheid state now was "unfair." But he said that without the establishment of a Palestinian state, Israel may have to contend with the consequences of one state for both peoples.

"The test will be (does) everybody living then in such a unitary state, will everybody have full political rights?" de Klerk said. "Will everybody enjoy their full human rights? If they will, it's not an apartheid state."

He added: "There will come in Israel a turning point where if the main obstacles at the moment which exist to a successful two-state solution are not removed, the two-state solution will become impossible."

De Klerk was in Israel receiving an honorary doctorate from the University of Haifa.

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[Mr. H.]

"Heading toward..."?

 

[toastman]

Israel tried several times, but the Palestinians kept rejecting the offers.

 

[TheOldSchool]

There has never been peace in Israel and, sadly, there probably never will be.

 

[pbel]

Israel tried several times, but the Palestinians kept rejecting the offers.

Can you tell us what those offers were?

 

[proudveteran06]

Israel tried several times, but the Palestinians kept rejecting the offers.

Can you tell us what those offers were?

South Africa"s President is against " apartheid" Then maybe he can tell the Israelis why he approves of a NJA , No Israelis Allowed " Palestinian State"

 

[proudveteran06]

Israel tried several times, but the Palestinians kept rejecting the offers.

Ask the same question in reverse. What proposals were put up by the Palestinians that Israel rejected and there will be no response.

 

[toastman]

Israel tried several times, but the Palestinians kept rejecting the offers.

Can you tell us what those offers were?

I have several times Pbel.

Lets start with the partition plan. Not Israel, but the Palestinians still rejected.
Then there was Israel's offer to sit down and make peace with the Palestinians after the 6 day war, but instead they signed the Khartoum resolution .

Camp David summit: AraFART said no because he was scared of getting assassinated.
Olmert offer in 2008. Abbas said nope!

Then there were the peace talks which just failed. Abbas rejected everything.

Stop trying to make it seem like Israel hasn't tried to make peace, because it's a lie.

 

[montelatici]

Israel never offered what the ruling South African whites offered under de Klerk. They had the nukes, the arms and the power to maintain their rule if they wanted to. They chose justice and allowed a democratic election for all the people they ruled over, including those in the occupied territories called the Bantustans.

 

[Bloodrock44]

Israel must reach peace? Pardon me...I forgot... the poor peaceful Palestinians have no responsibility in the matter.

 

[Indeependent]

There has never been peace in Israel and, sadly, there probably never will be.

Not since the days of Joshua.
Arabs are the kind of neighbors that keep you on your toes.

 

[MJB12741]

LOL! Yeah right, isn't it just awful that those Zionists in Israel say they want peace & yet they refuse to turn over their nukes, fighter jets, tanks & all other sophisticated weaponry to the noble peace loving, life loving Palestinians to protect Israel & the surrounding Arab countries as well?

Israel never offered what the ruling South African whites offered under de Klerk. They had the nukes, the arms and the power to maintain their rule if they wanted to. They chose justice and allowed a democratic election for all the people they ruled over, including those in the occupied territories called the Bantustans.

 

[Phoenall]

Israel tried several times, but the Palestinians kept rejecting the offers.

Can you tell us what those offers were?

Camp David 2001 will do wont it when the PLO leader Arafat was offered 98% of what he demanded and he walked out before even talking. But since 1967 the Israelis have offered the terms of 242 and 338 as starting points for peace, the Palestinians want unworkable and illegal pre conditions before they will even think about possibly maybe talking about more pre conditions to talks.

Now what offers have the palestinians made to further peace talks ?

 

[Phoenall]

Israel never offered what the ruling South African whites offered under de Klerk. They had the nukes, the arms and the power to maintain their rule if they wanted to. They chose justice and allowed a democratic election for all the people they ruled over, including those in the occupied territories called the Bantustans.

Because Israel is not South Africa, and the west bank is ruled by the P.A. Israel has offered peace and talks since 1948 and the Palestinians have refused. Even if they offered to commit suicide and hand the land over to the muslims the Palestinians would still refuse because it would mean they miss the chance to mass murder the Jews as revenge for losing face in 1948.

 

[proudveteran06]

Israel never offered what the ruling South African whites offered under de Klerk. They had the nukes, the arms and the power to maintain their rule if they wanted to. They chose justice and allowed a democratic election for all the people they ruled over, including those in the occupied territories called the Bantustans.

Because Israel is not South Africa, and the west bank is ruled by the P.A. Israel has offered peace and talks since 1948 and the Palestinians have refused. Even if they offered to commit suicide and hand the land over to the muslims the Palestinians would still refuse because it would mean they miss the chance to mass murder the Jews as revenge for losing face in 1948.[/.

The Racist " forgets" to mention that the Arabs initiated every single War. If Israel didn't exist you wouldn't see him post about " apartheid " and " racism".

 

[Statistikhengst]

Israel must reach peace? Pardon me...I forgot... the poor peaceful Palestinians have no responsibility in the matter.

Oh, details, details!!!

 

[RoccoR]

montelatici, et al,

You just have to chuckle sometimes.

Israel never offered what the ruling South African whites offered under de Klerk. They had the nukes, the arms and the power to maintain their rule if they wanted to. They chose justice and allowed a democratic election for all the people they ruled over, including those in the occupied territories called the Bantustans.

(COMMENT)

First, no one mentioned Nuclear Weapons. That is something not in evidence.

Second, there is already an Arab State of Palestine. Now if the Palestinian have abdicated and dissolved the government, that is another matter and another discussion. But the last I heard, they were trying form a Unity Government.

Third: The Occupation Force (Israel) did not outlaw the PLO established state. The Arab State of Palestinian still exists. There is even a Declaration of Principles on Interim Self-Government Arrangements signed between Israel and the PLO. I am not aware of any Israeli imposed restrictions on the Palestinian domestic election process.

Fourth: The Jewish State of Israel is a multinational and multicultural state. While there is a dispute between the Israelis and the Arab Palestinians, there is no apartheid within the State of Israel based on Israeli citizens of Palestinian descent.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

Israel tried several times, but the Palestinians kept rejecting the offers.

Can you tell us what those offers were?

They were offered 95% of their prison. The only thing they did not get was the walls and doors.

 

[Phoenall]

Israel tried several times, but the Palestinians kept rejecting the offers.

Can you tell us what those offers were?

They were offered 95% of their prison. The only thing they did not get was the walls and doors.

They have had numerous offers since 1967 and have turned down every one, now they should be realising that they are losing more and more as every day goes by. Very soon all they will have is the barren dusty ground that they have destroyed

 

[proudveteran06]

Can you tell us what those offers were?

They were offered 95% of their prison. The only thing they did not get was the walls and doors.

They have had numerous offers since 1967 and have turned down every one, now they should be realising that they are losing more and more as every day goes by. Very soon all they will have is the barren dusty ground that they have destroyed

Let me translate; The Palestinian is stating that Israel will never go back to " borders" that were never recognized in the first place , Refuse to have no rights in E. Jerusalem where their sacred sites are located or allow " Right of Return" which would in time annex Israel to " Palestine". Let them continue with ALL their demands . It will never happen.