Dear rightwinger: Regarding scientific proof,
what science can show that is common to both secular and faith-based systems,
is the process of forgiveness and healing on people and relationships.
This has been scientifically studied and proven.
Secular studies on forgiveness show a higher impact on mental and physical health; and one study estimated over 80% of illness is related to unforgiveness.
Studies on Rheumatoid Arthritis by a medical team that documented results of a healing prayer team led by Dr. Francis MacNutt showed positive impact on reducing or removing the pain, and in one case completely curing the man who could now walk normally without pain or need for medication, when before he was crippled with pain.
Olivia Reiner in Houston, who I know and refer personally, has over 30 years of testimonies of spiritual healing curing everything from cancer, mental illness, drug addiction, and organ failure. All these can be documented medically; the leader at one of the churches in my neighborhood said her case of curing a rare kidney or liver disease that should have killed her is documented in the Texas Medical Center.
The most amazing things I have found out since studying the process of healing:
1. when it works with secular gentiles or atheists, they do not necessarily convert into Christians or any belief in a personified God or Jesus. They just accept the forgiveness and learn to apply it to more and more situations, so they still receiving healing.
This has shocked my Christian friends who thought they would convert.
Dr. Scott Peck also ran across this with a patient cured of schizophrenia by deliverance prayer; he expected her to show more appreciation of Christianity but instead she dropped her interest in religion and went into science and medical studies because she became fascinated in how the scientific method and treatment was used to help her.
2. it not only heals the person's mind body and health, but it changes the RELATIONSHIPS around the person. So this shows it is more than just a physical process limited to where the therapy was applied. People report meeting new people to help them, which they did not have access to before. So solutions start coming in from elsewhere, which they do not control with their thinking. The healing and forgiveness attracts more of the same, so it is a greater process than just inside the person's mind.
3. and lastly I sadly find that the barriers to sharing this information are still blocked
because of unforgiveness, distrust, and past conflicts between views of religion and science. the solutions can be right in front of our faces, but people refuse and reject
because of past issues with "other groups that abused us" and so we can't get past that.
So that is where the understanding of forgiveness is most needed, but ironically is rejected because of unforgiveness itself. Just when I think I've found an opening to break this vicious cycle, someone slams the door and kills it off, so I have to start over; try to forgive and be the bigger person, and hope we get another chance to work it out.
That part I can never outguess, so I am constantly finding new surprises in the process.
Fine-tuning refers to the surprising precision of natures physical constants, and the beginning state of the Universe. To explain the present state of the universe, even the best scientific theories require that the physical constants of nature and the beginning state of the Universe have extremely precise values.
That is what we call Science
Why is the universe so beautiful? If you don't believe in Design you think the universe is a random mess, and how can a random mess be beautiful
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. The world around us is all we have, so of course we call it beautiful
Why can the physical world be described by elegant equations
It is what we call Science
Why should we discard the testimony of billions who pray and think they have encountered God?
Because it is their opinion that they have encountered God, none of those billion have provided facts or scientific proof
Yes, there is more science to back spiritual healing as natural; and I wish people would focus on proof of healing instead of just proof of heaven which is too subjective.
