Science: Genetic Study Retraces the Origins of Coronaviruses in Bats

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Here we are -- again. What I remember so well is this: "The F.B.I., and the C.I.A. favor an escape from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, although with only low certainty. The Department of Energy leans with low confidence to the virus escaping from a different lab in Wuhan. Other agencies lean toward a natural origin."

Yes, Here we are -- again.

Headline: Genetic Study Retraces the Origins of Coronaviruses in Bats​

As China and the United States trade charges of a lab leak, researchers contend in a new paper that the Covid pandemic got its start, like a previous one, in the wildlife trade.

Here we are -- again. Yes, science never sleeps. A few facts as a primer:

In the early 2000s, a coronavirus infecting bats jumped into raccoon dogs and other wild mammals in southwestern China. Some of those animals were sold in markets, where the coronavirus jumped again, into humans. The result was the SARS pandemic, which spread to 33 countries and claimed 774 lives. A few months into it, scientists discovered the coronavirus in mammals known as palm civets sold in a market at the center of the outbreak.
In a study published on Wednesday, a team of researchers compared the evolutionary story of SARS with that of Covid 17 years later. The researchers analyzed the genomes of the two coronaviruses that caused the pandemics, along with 248 related coronaviruses in bats and other mammals.

The recency and geographical origins of the bat viruses ancestral to SARS-CoV and SARS-CoV-2

As I've said before "Follow the facts"

The study (a study published on Wednesday), lands at a fraught political moment. Last month the White House created a web page called “Lab Leak: The True Origin of Covid 19,” asserting that the pandemic had been caused not by a market spillover but by an accident in a lab in Wuhan, China.​

We all got the same news as far as government's were concerned. Then there was what scientists who analyzed the data were saying:
The Chinese government responded with a flat denial that Covid had been caused by a Wuhan lab leak and raised the possibility that the virus had come instead from a biodefense lab in the United States.
“A thorough and in-depth investigation into the origins of the virus should be conducted in the U.S.,” the statement read.
Sergei Pond, a virologist at Temple University, said that he did not consider the origin of Covid settled. But he worried that the incendiary language from the two governments would make it difficult for scientists to investigate — and debate — the origin of Covid.
“If it wasn’t tragic, you’d have to laugh, it’s so farcical,” Dr. Pond said.

Then we go from "science" to "politics" -- How a Bannon-linked conspiracy theory about coronavirus origins landed on Murdoch-owned media, including Fox News

Well al know FOX News knowingly lied about the 2020 election.

Then...

  • May 23, 2003
HONG KONG, May 23 — A virus virtually identical to the one believed to cause SARS in humans has been found in a catlike tree-dwelling animal whose meat is a delicacy in southern China and in two other species, scientists here and at the World Health Organization said today.

Discovery of the virus in animals makes it much more unlikely that SARS can be eradicated, because of the difficulty of eradicating the animals that harbor the virus. But control of those species could reduce the risk of it from seeding cases into the human population in the future.
 
You know nothing, they took an existing coronavirus and added proteins to it, this is why they knew it was manmade - scientist agreed there is no possibility the protein was attached to the virus unless it was placed there.
What I said is an enormous short hand of what they did - VERY widely known and respected virologist have agreed the protein structure with the specific amino acids is not indicative of any natural way of occurrence.
It was man made
 
You know nothing, they took an existing coronavirus and added proteins to it, this is why they knew it was manmade - scientist agreed there is no possibility the protein was attached to the virus unless it was placed there.
What I said is an enormous short hand of what they did - VERY widely known and respected virologist have agreed the protein structure with the specific amino acids is not indicative of any natural way of occurrence.
It was man made
please do not post weird opinions as if they are backed up by factual data
 
“To us it seemed that there was a lot we don’t know, so let’s not discard the lab-leak idea,” Dr. Worobey said. “Let’s study it.”



As Dr. Worobey and other scientists started studying the origin of Covid, American intelligence agencies were also assessing it. Their assessments have been mixed. The F.B.I., and the C.I.A. favor an escape from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, although with only low certainty. The Department of Energy leans with low confidence to the virus escaping from a different lab in Wuhan. Other agencies lean toward a natural origin.

The agencies have not made their evidence or their analyses public, and so scientists cannot evaluate the basis of their conclusions. However, Dr. Worobey and other researchers have published a string of papers in scientific journals. Along the way, Dr. Worobey became convinced that the Covid pandemic had started at the Huanan Seafood Market in Wuhan.

“Scientifically, it’s as clear as H.I.V. or Spanish flu,” Dr. Worobey said, referring to two diseases whose origins he has also studied.
 
please do not post weird opinions as if they are backed up by factual data

Then why did you start this thread? ... the Trumpanzees are just going to throw poop at you ...

SARS-CoV-2 is the name of the virus that causes the disease COVID-19 ... just how medical doctors think ... two billable procedures I suppose ... whether we have the technology to do this in 2019 doesn't explain how SARS-CoV came about to cause COVID-03 ... we didn't have the technology back then ...

The Chinese live with their animals ... why the flu spreads from there every year ... growing rice is more important than villages ... even rural Chinese live tightly packed ... and with their chickens, pigs, ducks and whatever else they eat over there ... the Chinese don't value human life as much as everyone else ... these disease outbreaks are good for their economy ...

"... they took an existing coronavirus and added proteins to it ... "

That's not how viruses work ... Bubba failed 7th Grade Health class? ...
 
“To us it seemed that there was a lot we don’t know, so let’s not discard the lab-leak idea,” Dr. Worobey said. “Let’s study it.”



As Dr. Worobey and other scientists started studying the origin of Covid, American intelligence agencies were also assessing it. Their assessments have been mixed. The F.B.I., and the C.I.A. favor an escape from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, although with only low certainty. The Department of Energy leans with low confidence to the virus escaping from a different lab in Wuhan. Other agencies lean toward a natural origin.

The agencies have not made their evidence or their analyses public, and so scientists cannot evaluate the basis of their conclusions. However, Dr. Worobey and other researchers have published a string of papers in scientific journals. Along the way, Dr. Worobey became convinced that the Covid pandemic had started at the Huanan Seafood Market in Wuhan.

“Scientifically, it’s as clear as H.I.V. or Spanish flu,” Dr. Worobey said, referring to two diseases whose origins he has also studied.
The wet market theory has been thoroughly debunked.

That leaves

a. Lab leak
b. Something worse
 
The wet market theory has been thoroughly debunked.

That leaves

a. Lab leak
b. Something worse

The genetic code is posted on-line ... please point to where you think there's human manipulation ... and let's see your debunking material, zoonosis has been demonstrated exhaustively ... influenza, rhinoviruses and coronaviruses do this all the time ...
 
The genetic code is posted on-line ... please point to where you think there's human manipulation ... and let's see your debunking material, zoonosis has been demonstrated exhaustively ... influenza, rhinoviruses and coronaviruses do this all the time ...
Again? I've posted it like four times already. Wet market was proven impossible in 2022. There were multiple Covid cases before the proposed wet market date
 
Again? I've posted it like four times already. Wet market was proven impossible in 2022. There were multiple Covid cases before the proposed wet market date

This is only your second post ... can't you count? ... let's see the proof ... how was this proven impossible in 2003? ...

The laugher is you think this is a Democrat conspiracy to defame Donald Trump ... and without one shred of evidence ... in 2003 ... God that's funny ... but let's see your proof, then we'll judge ...
 
This is only your second post ... can't you count? ... let's see the proof ... how was this proven impossible in 2003? ...

The laugher is you think this is a Democrat conspiracy to defame Donald Trump ... and without one shred of evidence ... in 2003 ... God that's funny ... but let's see your proof, then we'll judge ...
2003?

Maybe when you sober up?
 
Again? I've posted it like four times already. Wet market was proven impossible in 2022. There were multiple Covid cases before the proposed wet market date
True. The Chinese Communists did this on purpose.
 
15th post
Dude - Covid came 20 years later. Duh. Brain fart?

COVID is the name of the disease ... it's caused by the SARS virus ... 2019 was the second time this mutation occurred ... we didn't have the technology the first time around ... so it's demonstrated to occur in nature without human intervention ...

The 2002 SARS outbreak in China caused the disease COVID-02 ... the 2019 outbreak in China caused the disease COVID-19 ... the systematics treat these as a subfamily of the coronaviruses ...

Again? I've posted it like four times already. Wet market was proven impossible in 2022. There were multiple Covid cases before the proposed wet market date

No proof makes these claims complete falsehoods ... I thought better of you ...

I'm not concerned with any "wet market date" ... I think the known influenza transmission route is most likely ... something we track every year as these viruses change and mutate in China ... and for them it's a matter of lifestyle ... they live with their barnyard animals ...

It comes from China, but there's no intent ... COVID hurt the Chinese Government more than us ... both rounds ...
 
COVID is the name of the disease ... it's caused by the SARS virus ...

No, it isn't.

The Covid coronavirus has a distinct biochemical name.

Covid is not SARS.

SARS did not originate in China.

2019 was the second time this mutation occurred ... we didn't have the technology the first time around ... so it's demonstrated to occur in nature without human intervention ...

You're full of misinformation.

That's okay, you can believe whatever you want to believe.

The 2002 SARS outbreak in China caused the disease COVID-02 ... the 2019 outbreak in China caused the disease COVID-19 ... the systematics treat these as a subfamily of the coronaviruses ...

Biochemically and historically incorrect.

No proof makes these claims complete falsehoods ... I thought better of you ...

I'm a biologist, and a virologist. I'm quite familiar with these issues.

I'm not concerned with any "wet market date" ... I think the known influenza transmission route is most likely ... something we track every year as these viruses change and mutate in China ... and for them it's a matter of lifestyle ... they live with their barnyard animals ...

Otay.

It comes from China, but there's no intent ... COVID hurt the Chinese Government more than us ... both rounds ...

You sound like Fauci dancing around gain of function.

The history of Covid is quite well known at this point.
 
No, it isn't.
The Covid coronavirus has a distinct biochemical name.
Covid is not SARS.
SARS did not originate in China.

"COVID-19, also called coronavirus disease 2019, is an illness caused by a virus. The virus is called severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2, or more commonly, SARS-CoV-2. It started spreading at the end of 2019 and became a pandemic disease in 2020." -- Mayo Clinic

"Severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) is a viral respiratory disease of zoonotic origin caused by the virus SARS-CoV-1, the first identified strain of the SARS-related coronavirus. The first known cases occurred in November 2002, and the syndrome caused the 2002–2004 SARS outbreak. In the 2010s, Chinese scientists traced the virus through the intermediary of Asian palm civets to cave-dwelling horseshoe bats in Xiyang Yi Ethnic Township, Yunnan.

In December 2019, a second strain of SARS-CoV was identified: SARS-CoV-2. This strain causes coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), the disease behind the COVID-19 pandemic."

-- Wikipedia

The entire world disagrees with you ...

I'm a biologist, and a virologist. I'm quite familiar with these issues.

HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW ... except you English like a high schooler ... you couldn't tell an mRNA molecule if it bit you in the ass ... "virologist"? ... now that's funny ... you don't even know what a citation is ...

"Let's see the proof" ... you don't have any, because you're a liar and a fraud ... no defense because it's totally true ...
 
"COVID-19, also called coronavirus disease 2019, is an illness caused by a virus. The virus is called severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2, or more commonly, SARS-CoV-2. It started spreading at the end of 2019 and became a pandemic disease in 2020." -- Mayo Clinic

"Severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) is a viral respiratory disease of zoonotic origin caused by the virus SARS-CoV-1, the first identified strain of the SARS-related coronavirus. The first known cases occurred in November 2002, and the syndrome caused the 2002–2004 SARS outbreak. In the 2010s, Chinese scientists traced the virus through the intermediary of Asian palm civets to cave-dwelling horseshoe bats in Xiyang Yi Ethnic Township, Yunnan.

In December 2019, a second strain of SARS-CoV was identified: SARS-CoV-2. This strain causes coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), the disease behind the COVID-19 pandemic."

-- Wikipedia

Like I said, different virus.

You think that just because the names are similar, the viruses are the same?

That's what you get for using Wikipedia as a scientific source.

The entire world disagrees with you ...

The "entire world" is ignorant of biochemistry. As are you.

HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW ... except you English like a high schooler ... you couldn't tell an mRNA molecule if it bit you in the ass ... "virologist"? ... now that's funny ... you don't even know what a citation is ...

That's the best you've got? You sound like a leftard howler monkey, pulling bullshit out of your ass and flinging it around.

"Let's see the proof" ... you don't have any, because you're a liar and a fraud ... no defense because it's totally true ...

Denied.

It wouldn't make any sense to you anyway, and I'm not doing any work for you.

Go to school for 8 years, maybe it'll help alleviate your ignorance. Maybe.
 
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