Real Progress Towards A Climate Change Solution I can Believe In

[toobfreak]

Battery powered transportation is a joke. It may offer an interesting alternative to gas for secondary and limited distances in warm but not too hot nor too cold applications, but battery-powered vehicles rely on someone generating the power far away (by any number of costly, not-climate-friendly means) then transmitting it over long distance, a further great cost, then merely STORING the energy in a static form in heavy, costly batteries. And they require a lengthy time to recharge them.

Our real, best solution, slowly being made practical, is the hydrogen fuel cell, where hydrogen (the universe's most plentiful element) is combined with oxygen to GENERATE power, with the only byproduct being life-giving WATER.

It is a scientist's dream come true only rivaled or surpassed by fusion power plants themselves, except, we are actually DOING the former now to a limited degree. First up: they now have a hydrogen-powered ferry they are experimenting with giving free rides for the next six months, with plans to eventually replace diesel-powered ferries and even cargo ships all around the world.

It is a real leg in the door to mankind's real future.

MSN

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[Blaster]

There is no miracle cure for climate change. It is what it is.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

But wouldn't that mess up with the plans the ultra-elites have in store for us where we will own nothing and be happy to forage for grubs for our sustenance?

 

[Woodznutz]

Battery powered transportation is a joke. It may offer an interesting alternative to gas for secondary and limited distances in warm but not too hot nor too cold applications, but battery-powered vehicles rely on someone generating the power far away (by any number of costly, not-climate-friendly means) then transmitting it over long distance, a further great cost, then merely STORING the energy in a static form in heavy, costly batteries. And they require a lengthy time to recharge them.

Our real, best solution, slowly being made practical, is the hydrogen fuel cell, where hydrogen (the universe's most plentiful element) is combined with oxygen to GENERATE power, with the only byproduct being life-giving WATER.

It is a scientist's dream come true only rivaled or surpassed by fusion power plants themselves, except, we are actually DOING the former now to a limited degree. First up: they now have a hydrogen-powered ferry they are experimenting with giving free rides for the next six months, with plans to eventually replace diesel-powered ferries and even cargo ships all around the world.

It is a real leg in the door to mankind's real future.

MSN

www.msn.com

Nah. Whatever we do will just make it worse. Mankind is on a great suicide mission, and making great progress.

 

[Darkwind]

Battery powered transportation is a joke. It may offer an interesting alternative to gas for secondary and limited distances in warm but not too hot nor too cold applications, but battery-powered vehicles rely on someone generating the power far away (by any number of costly, not-climate-friendly means) then transmitting it over long distance, a further great cost, then merely STORING the energy in a static form in heavy, costly batteries. And they require a lengthy time to recharge them.

Our real, best solution, slowly being made practical, is the hydrogen fuel cell, where hydrogen (the universe's most plentiful element) is combined with oxygen to GENERATE power, with the only byproduct being life-giving WATER.

It is a scientist's dream come true only rivaled or surpassed by fusion power plants themselves, except, we are actually DOING the former now to a limited degree. First up: they now have a hydrogen-powered ferry they are experimenting with giving free rides for the next six months, with plans to eventually replace diesel-powered ferries and even cargo ships all around the world.

It is a real leg in the door to mankind's real future.

MSN

www.msn.com

I'm all in on the Hydrogen energy bandwagon. However, there needs to be real progress in hydrogen generation. As it stands, it is far to expensive energy-wise to produce.

Overcome that obstacle, and I'd be all in.

 

[toobfreak]

There is no miracle cure for climate change. It is what it is.

Sure there is. The REAL cure is to severely cut back population growth and human activity, just no one in office is quite willing yet to publicly admit that.

 

[Sunsettommy]

LOL, not again this Hydrogen Fuel Cell concept has been talked about for years, but the same problems remain which the article doesn't address thus has to be subsidized to get anything done otherwise it will always be a niche energy source.as the article shows,

As fossil fuel emissions continue warming Earth’s atmosphere, the Biden administration is turning to hydrogen as an energy source for vehicles, manufacturing and generating electricity. It has been offering $8 billion to entice the nation’s industries, engineers and planners to figure out how to produce and deliver clean hydrogen.

Increasing CO2 levels isn't producing much warm forcing at all at the 420-ppm level thus this line is a big lie which they repeat over and over hoping the Cricks of the world slurp it up.

As fossil fuel emissions continue warming Earth’s atmosphere,...

 

[toobfreak]

I'm all in on the Hydrogen energy bandwagon. However, there needs to be real progress in hydrogen generation. As it stands, it is far to expensive energy-wise to produce.
Overcome that obstacle, and I'd be all in.

Hydrogen is abundant in space, too bad we can't just suck it up with a long hose! But I'm confident that in time, we will figure out how to make it here without using natural gas or generating CO2.

 

[Darkwind]

Hydrogen is abundant in space, too bad we can't just suck it up with a long hose! But I'm confident that in time, we will figure out how to make it here without using natural gas or generating CO2.

We can create it in a nuclear reaction:

Hydrogen can be generated in nuclear reactors through a process called electrolysis, which involves splitting water into hydrogen and oxygen using electricity. There are two main types of electrolysis used in conjunction with nuclear reactors: low-temperature electrolysis and high-temperature electrolysis.

### Low-Temperature Electrolysis
Low-temperature electrolysis uses electricity to split water into hydrogen and oxygen at relatively low temperatures. This method is being demonstrated at several nuclear power plants in the United States, including the Nine Mile Point Nuclear Power Station in New York and the Davis-Besse Nuclear Power Station in Ohio. These projects aim to prove the technical feasibility and economic benefits of producing clean hydrogen using nuclear energy[1][4].

### High-Temperature Electrolysis
High-temperature electrolysis (HTE) is more efficient than low-temperature electrolysis because it uses both heat and electricity to split water. Nuclear reactors, especially advanced ones, are well-suited for HTE because they can provide the necessary high temperatures and constant electricity. An example of this is the project at the Prairie Island Nuclear Generating Plant in Minnesota, where Bloom Energy and Xcel Energy are working to demonstrate HTE. This project is expected to begin hydrogen production in early 2024[1][4].

### Types of Reactors for Hydrogen Production
Both traditional and advanced nuclear reactors can be used for hydrogen production. Traditional reactors can provide the steady electricity needed for low-temperature electrolysis, while advanced reactors, such as high-temperature gas-cooled reactors (HTGRs), can provide the high temperatures required for high-temperature electrolysis and thermochemical cycles[2][3].

### Applications and Benefits
The hydrogen produced through these methods can be used in various applications, including industrial processes, transportation fuels, and as a means to store and deliver energy. This approach not only helps in reducing carbon emissions but also opens new markets for nuclear power plants, making them more economically viable and contributing to the transition to clean energy[1][2].

### Ongoing Projects and Future Prospects
The U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) is actively supporting several demonstration projects to scale up the production of clean hydrogen using nuclear energy. These projects are part of a broader initiative to create regional hydrogen hubs and reduce the cost of clean hydrogen production significantly[1][4][5].

In summary, nuclear reactors generate hydrogen primarily through electrolysis, leveraging their ability to provide consistent heat and electricity. Both traditional and advanced reactors are suitable for this purpose, with ongoing projects demonstrating the feasibility and potential economic benefits of this approach.

Citations:
[1] https://www.energy.gov/ne/articles/3-nuclear-power-plants-gearing-clean-hydrogen-production
[2] Nuclear hydrogen production | IAEA
[3] https://www-pub.iaea.org/MTCD/Publications/PDF/Pub1577_web.pdf
[4] DOE touts nuclear-powered hydrogen production projects with Xcel, Constellation, 4 other partners
[5] https://inl.gov/integrated-energy/hydrogen/

 

[Sunsettommy]

It has been known for years yet it isn't doing much of anything due to some big problems that you guys are overlooking.

 

[toobfreak]

The Sun and Jupiter are mostly made of hydrogen.

All we need is to figure out how to go out, gather some of it up rather cheaply and bring some back home.

 

[toobfreak]

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How cute. Another typo so prevalent in today's dumbed down lib world. Another science article which cannot even spell or proofread. Now oxygen is spelled oygen.

 

[1srelluc]

 

[Manonthestreet]

Sure there is. The REAL cure is to severely cut back population growth and human activity, just no one in office is quite willing yet to publicly admit that.

Come on man they've killed the birthrate.......they've already begun importing slaves.

 

[toobfreak]

Come on man they've killed the birthrate.......

Of white people.

 

[Sunsettommy]

How cute. Another typo so prevalent in today's dumbed down lib world. Another science article which cannot even spell or proofread. Now oxygen is spelled oygen.

Yet you ignore the obvious problems with Hydrogen Fuel Cell idea which is why after several decades of babbling about it is still barely existing even with generous subsidies offered it still barely excites anyone much.

 

[task0778]

I'm not seeing the immediate urgency that requires super expensive solutions to climate change. And I think anthropogenic factors may have some influence over the climate and GW, but I also think there are other factors that are non-human related and might not be anything we can do about. The issue ought to be addressed calmly and rationally, without the hysterics of impending doom. Sadly, I don't think that'll happen though, because this issue along with every other problem we face today has been politicized to the point where trust in each other is gone. And there's so much money involved too, how are we to know what the truth really is when we hear so many lies and exaggerations from the media, academia, and our gov't.

 

[Donald H]

Our real, best solution, slowly being made practical, is the hydrogen fuel cell, where hydrogen (the universe's most plentiful element) is combined with oxygen to GENERATE power, with the only byproduct being life-giving WATER.

When you started thinking of that solution, your brain must have already been too full.

When you tell us you've emptied it, you can ask me why hydrogen hasn't become the answer for the issues you're trying to address.

 

[ReinyDays]

... where hydrogen (the universe's most plentiful element) ...

Whoa there Nelly ... this is a profoundly false equivalence ... hydrogen gas is extremely rare on Earth, so rare as to be considered non-existent ... gravity doesn't hold it in our atmosphere or our soils ... except for a few natural biological processes and of course man's activities ...

Industrial sources of Hydrogen currently involves stripping hydrogen from methane, and then just oxidizing the remaining carbon ... then underground piping to service stations so we can burn hydrogen with atmospheric oxygen ... the products are the same as combustion, carbon dioxide and water vapor ... and just combusting the methane to begin with and dumping the energy on the existing electric grid is more efficient ... and cheaper ...

I'm only advocating against passenger rigs here ... both pistoned and EVs ... leave the roads open for shipping good to where we live ... at least within golf cart distance ... I brag about only filling my gas tank once per month whether I need to or not because of Walmart trucks ...

The solution is conservation ... using less energy ... simple ... and cost effective ... vote your wallet ...

 

[Donald H]

Whoa there Nelly ... this is a profoundly false equivalence ... hydrogen gas is extremely rare on Earth, so rare as to be considered non-existent ... gravity doesn't hold it in our atmosphere or our soils ... except for a few natural biological processes and of course man's activities ...

Industrial sources of Hydrogen currently involves stripping hydrogen from methane, and then just oxidizing the remaining carbon ... then underground piping to service stations so we can burn hydrogen with atmospheric oxygen ... the products are the same as combustion, carbon dioxide and water vapor ... and just combusting the methane to begin with and dumping the energy on the existing electric grid is more efficient ... and cheaper ...

I'm only advocating against passenger rigs here ... both pistoned and EVs ... leave the roads open for shipping good to where we live ... at least within golf cart distance ... I brag about only filling my gas tank once per month whether I need to or not because of Walmart trucks ...

The solution is conservation ... using less energy ... simple ... and cost effective ... vote your wallet ...

You should make the assclowns work for answers.