Putin: Poland Nazi WW2 collusion.

 
Poland cooperated with Hitler on dividing Czechoslovakia.

On 22 May 1938, Juliusz Łukasiewicz, the Polish ambassador to France, told the French Foreign Minister Georges Bonnet that if France moved against Germany in defense of Czechoslovakia: "We shall not move." Łukasiewicz also told Bonnet that Poland would oppose any attempt by Soviet forces to defend Czechoslovakia from Germany.

The Soviet Union announced its willingness to come to Czechoslovakia's assistance, provided that the Soviet Army would be able to cross Polish and Romanian territory. Both countries refused to allow the Soviet army to use their territories.[37]

Poland and Hungary, both subsequently annexed parts of Czechoslovakia containing Polish and Hungarian nationals, with Germany as "vultures upon the carcass of Czechoslovakia."

The Germans were delighted with this outcome, and were happy to give up the sacrifice of a small provincial rail centre to Poland in exchange for the ensuing propaganda benefits. It spread the blame of the partition of the Republic of Czechoslovakia, made Poland a participant in the process and confused political expectations. Poland was accused of being an accomplice of Nazi Germany – a charge that Warsaw was hard-put to deny.
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Putin: I decided to figure this out and asked my colleagues to check the archives. What really hit me hard, I’m telling you honestly, was how Hitler and the official representatives of Poland discussed the so-called Jewish problem. Hitler told the Minister of Foreign Affairs, and later bluntly said to the Polish Ambassador to Germany that he had a plan to send the Jewish population to Africa, to the colonies. Imagine, in 1938, to expel Jews from Europe to Africa. Sending them to their extermination. To destruction. And here is what the Polish ambassador wrote to the Polish Foreign Minister, Mr Beck: When I heard this I responded to Hitler that if this happens and this issue is resolved, we will build a beautiful monument to him (to Hitler) in Warsaw. That bastard! That anti-Semitic pig – I have no other words. He was in complete solidarity with Hitler in his anti-Jewish, anti-Semitic sentiment and, moreover, he proposed erecting a monument to Hitler in Warsaw for persecuting the Jewish people.
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Stratford57 said:
Poland cooperated with Hitler on dividing Czechoslovakia.

On 22 May 1938, Juliusz Łukasiewicz, the Polish ambassador to France, told the French Foreign Minister Georges Bonnet that if France moved against Germany in defense of Czechoslovakia: "We shall not move." Łukasiewicz also told Bonnet that Poland would oppose any attempt by Soviet forces to defend Czechoslovakia from Germany.

The Soviet Union announced its willingness to come to Czechoslovakia's assistance, provided that the Soviet Army would be able to cross Polish and Romanian territory. Both countries refused to allow the Soviet army to use their territories.[37]

Poland and Hungary, both subsequently annexed parts of Czechoslovakia containing Polish and Hungarian nationals, with Germany as "vultures upon the carcass of Czechoslovakia."

The Germans were delighted with this outcome, and were happy to give up the sacrifice of a small provincial rail centre to Poland in exchange for the ensuing propaganda benefits. It spread the blame of the partition of the Republic of Czechoslovakia, made Poland a participant in the process and confused political expectations. Poland was accused of being an accomplice of Nazi Germany – a charge that Warsaw was hard-put to deny.
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Putin: What really hit me hard, I’m telling you honestly, was how Hitler and the official representatives of Poland discussed the so-called Jewish problem. Hitler told the Minister of Foreign Affairs, and later bluntly said to the Polish Ambassador to Germany that he had a plan to send the Jewish population to Africa, to the colonies. Imagine, in 1938, to expel Jews from Europe to Africa. Sending them to their extermination. To destruction. And here is what the Polish ambassador wrote to the Polish Foreign Minister, Mr Beck: When I heard this I responded to Hitler that if this happens and this issue is resolved, we will build a beautiful monument to him (to Hitler) in Warsaw. That bastard! That anti-Semitic pig – I have no other words. He was in complete solidarity with Hitler in his anti-Jewish, anti-Semitic sentiment and, moreover, he proposed erecting a monument to Hitler in Warsaw for persecuting the Jewish people.
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Soviet crimes against Poles, Ukrainians, Kulaks, and others etc. BEFORE Hitler invaded the Sudetenland.

Polish Operation of the NKVD - Wikipedia
Holodomor - Wikipedia
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Vinnytsia massacre - Wikipedia
NKVD Order No. 00439 - Wikipedia
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SobieskiSavedEurope said:
Russian / Soviet collusion with Nazi Germany.

Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact - Wikipedia
German–Soviet Credit Agreement (1939) - Wikipedia
German–Soviet Commercial Agreement (1940) - Wikipedia
German–Soviet Border and Commercial Agreement - Wikipedia
German–Soviet Axis talks - Wikipedia

Ochota massacre - Wikipedia

SS Sturmbrigade RONA - Wikipedia
Russian Liberation Army - Wikipedia
30th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS - Wikipedia
Azeri SS Volunteer Formations - Wikipedia
XV SS Cossack Cavalry Corps - Wikipedia
Hiwi (volunteer) - Wikipedia
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Before Soviet Union "colluded" with Germany, a lot of European countries had colluded.
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MUNICH, Germany, Sept. 30, 1938. Chamberlain lingered here for an hour and a half he talked with Chancellor Adolf Hitler. This conversation brought a joint statement in which the two statesmen declared that the Munich agreement is symbolic of the decision of Germany and Britain never to go to war with each other again.
Chamberlain and Hitler announce Czech agreement

And there have never existed a picture of Stalin shaking hands with Hitler.

the Declaration on the Non-use of Force between Germany and Poland. This is, in fact, the so-called Pilsudski-Hitler Pact signed in 1934. In essence, this is a non-aggression pact.

There is the Franco-German Declaration signed on December 6, 1938 in Paris by the foreign ministers of France and Germany, Bonnet and Ribbentrop.

Finally, the treaty between the Republic of Lithuania and the German Reich signed on March 22, 1939 in Berlin by the foreign minister of Lithuania and Ribbentop to the effect that Klaipeda Territory will reunite with the German Reich.

Then, there was the Nonaggression Treaty between the German Reich and Latvia of June 7, 1939.

Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact between Germany and the Soviet Union signed in Moscow on August 23, 1939, The USSR was the last country in Europe to sign the Treaty of Non-aggression with Germany.

On 22 September, Chamberlain, about to board his plane to go to Germany for further talks at Bad Godesberg, told the press who met him there that "My objective is peace in Europe, I trust this trip is the way to that peace."

The Soviet Union announced its willingness to come to Czechoslovakia's assistance, provided that the Soviet Army would be able to cross Polish and Romanian territory. Both countries refused to allow the Soviet army to use their territories.[37]

Joseph Stalin was upset by the results of the Munich conference. The Soviets, who had a mutual military assistance treaty with Czechoslovakia, felt betrayed by France, who also had a mutual military assistance treaty with Czechoslovakia. The British and French, however, mostly used the Soviets as a threat to dangle over the Germans. Stalin concluded that the West had actively colluded with Hitler to hand over a Central European country to the Nazis,
Munich Agreement - Wikipedia

Hitler could have been stopped in 1938 through the collective efforts of the European states. This was acknowledged by the Western leaders themselves.
 
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SobieskiSavedEurope said:
Russian / Soviet collusion with Nazi Germany.

Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact - Wikipedia
German–Soviet Credit Agreement (1939) - Wikipedia
German–Soviet Commercial Agreement (1940) - Wikipedia
German–Soviet Border and Commercial Agreement - Wikipedia
German–Soviet Axis talks - Wikipedia

Ochota massacre - Wikipedia

SS Sturmbrigade RONA - Wikipedia
Russian Liberation Army - Wikipedia
30th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS - Wikipedia
Azeri SS Volunteer Formations - Wikipedia
XV SS Cossack Cavalry Corps - Wikipedia
Hiwi (volunteer) - Wikipedia
Trawniki men - Wikipedia
Schutzmannschaft - Wikipedia
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Before Soviet Union "colluded" with Germany, a lot of European countries had colluded.
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MUNICH, Germany, Sept. 30, 1938. Chamberlain lingered here for an hour and a half he talked with Chancellor Adolf Hitler. This conversation brought a joint statement in which the two statesmen declared that the Munich agreement is symbolic of the decision of Germany and Britain never to go to war with each other again.
Chamberlain and Hitler announce Czech agreement

And there have never existed a picture of Stalin shaking hands with Hitler. Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact between Germany and the Soviet Union signed in Moscow on August 23, 1939, a lot later and after all European countries had signed their agreements with Hitler.

Polish "Silezia" was created to erase Czechoslovakia from the map of Europe

On 22 September, Chamberlain, about to board his plane to go to Germany for further talks at Bad Godesberg, told the press who met him there that "My objective is peace in Europe, I trust this trip is the way to that peace."

The Soviet Union announced its willingness to come to Czechoslovakia's assistance, provided that the Soviet Army would be able to cross Polish and Romanian territory. Both countries refused to allow the Soviet army to use their territories.[37]

Joseph Stalin was upset by the results of the Munich conference. The Soviets, who had a mutual military assistance treaty with Czechoslovakia, felt betrayed by France, who also had a mutual military assistance treaty with Czechoslovakia. The British and French, however, mostly used the Soviets as a threat to dangle over the Germans. Stalin concluded that the West had actively colluded with Hitler to hand over a Central European country to the Nazis,

Munich Agreement - Wikipedia
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Nazi–Soviet economic relations (1934–41) - Wikipedia

In the mid-1930s, the Soviet Union made repeated efforts to reestablish closer contacts with Germany.[25] The Soviets chiefly sought to repay debts from earlier trade with raw materials, while Germany sought to rearm, and the countries signed a credit agreement in 1935.[26] In 1936, the Soviets attempted to seek closer political ties to Germany along with an additional credit agreement, which were rebuffed by Hitler, who wished to steer clear of such political ties.[26] In response to Stalin's hopes to complete an economic deal with Hitler, the foreign section of the NKVD warned him that "all Soviet attempts to appease and conciliate Hitler are doomed. The main obstacle to an understanding with Moscow is Hitler himself."[27] Stalin did not agree, responding to the NKVD "Well, now, how can Hitler make war on us when he has granted such loans? It's impossible. The business circles in Germany are too powerful, and they are in the saddle."[27]
 
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Well... of course they did. The Poles hated the Czechoslovaks and the communist Russians, they were their enemies.

Poland's relations with it's neighbours during the twenties and thirties were not exaclty good, they have fought wars with every single one of their neighbours with the sole exception of Germany. Well until they took Galizia from Ukraine and also bordered Romania, which they had somewhat friendly relations with.

The Czechs and Slovaks stabbed Pland in the back and attacked them to seize disputed territories with large polish populations when Poland was busy fighting with Ukraine.

The Lithuanians they also grew to hate after their border war and the Lithuanian cooperation with the Soviets.

Germany were actually one of Polands more trustworthy neighbours, at least after Hitler took power who, rather ironically, were the polish-friendliest German Leader since the fall of the German Empire in the Great war and a very possible ally against the Communist threat in the east.
 
Hyddan92 said:
Well... of course they did. The Poles hated the Czechoslovaks and the communist Russians, they were their enemies.

Poland's relations with it's neighbours during the twenties and thirties were not exaclty good, they have fought wars with every single one of their neighbours with the sole exception of Germany. Well until they took Galizia from Ukraine and also bordered Romania, which they had somewhat friendly relations with.

The Czechs and Slovaks stabbed Pland in the back and attacked them to seize disputed territories with large polish populations when Poland was busy fighting with Ukraine.

The Lithuanians they also grew to hate after their border war and the Lithuanian cooperation with the Soviets.

Germany were actually one of Polands more trustworthy neighbours, at least after Hitler took power who, rather ironically, were the polish-friendliest German Leader since the fall of the German Empire in the Great war and a very possible ally against the Communist threat in the east.
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Poland rejected the invitation to join Hitler's Anti-Comitern Pact.

Poland also had a non-Aggression Pact with Soviets in 1932.
1 year before its non-Aggression Pact with Nazis in 1933.

You are however correct that Czechs stole Cieszyn Silesia (Zaolzie) right after WW1 from Poland which was more Polish than Czech.
 
SobieskiSavedEurope said:
Poland rejected the invitation to join Hitler's Anti-Comitern Pact.

Poland also had a non-Aggression Pact with Soviets in 1932.
1 year before its non-Aggression Pact with Nazis in 1933.

You are however correct that Czechs stole Cieszyn Silesia (Zaolzie) right after WW1 from Poland which was more Polish than Czech.
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They did reject it, they chose to trust the Franco-British promise of support against Germany instead. However Pilzudski were relieved when Hitler started to take over in Germany since it helped normalize relations and getting the non-aggression pact signed. Pilzudski also believed that Hitler, as an Austrian, wouldn't focuse primarily in the northeast and against Poland.

The foundations for an alliance between the two countries really were there, relations were normalized, both feared the communist threat in the east, neither were particularly democratic, Poland didn't have any overly love of jews that could discourage them from cooperation with Germany, both wanted Czechoslovakia removed from existence and Hitler was an opeen admirer of the Polish leader Pilzudski.

The problem were Danzig and the corridor as well as the border issue, without those I think the second world war would have started much differently.

Stalin ruling the USSR instead of Trotsky probably didn't help either.
 
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