P. M. Mark Carney vs Prime Minister Stephen Harper on Canada - Israel relations?

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Who do you think approached the Israeli - Palestinian crisis with the greatest level of wisdom and understanding of the Big Picture?

I personally feel that Prime Minister Stephen Harper did a vastly better job at the G-8 meetings in 2011 than Prime Minister Mark Carney is doing now.

I believe that Prime Minister Mark Carney very likely felt "forced or pressured" into his approach to the Israeli - Palestinian conflict by young, idealistic, angry, but terribly biased Atheists and Agnostics in Canada's Liberal Party who have an approach to life much like the twenty young Atheists who debated Dr. Jordan Peterson in a famous youtube video.

My belief is that the P. M. Mark Carney approach tends to make Iran and all of the Iranian proxies, as well as the Russia backed leadership of the Palestinians feel that they can win against the nation of Israel and finish what Adolf Hitler started?

I believe that Prime Minister Mark Carney's position can be termed "courageous" but I believe that it is misguided and fits with plan that was put in writing in 1972 in Russia, that the only way for Russia to win against the USA was to turn a billion Muslims against Israel, [which would weaken the USA and make the USA vulnerable].

doug saunders
On Israel, Harper stands alone at G8 summit



It was meant to be, as Barack Obama described it in London with his British counterpart beside him, another unified mission to storm the beaches of Normandy in the name of peace and democracy.

And the Western world's leaders do plan to use the Deauville, France, G8 summit to present a united front on the conflicts and revolutions of the Middle East. But one of the rare sources of friction has turned out to be the renegade Middle East views of Stephen Harper.

Alone among G8 leaders, the Canadian Prime Minister refuses to embrace the U.S. President's plan to begin peace negotiations between Palestinians and Israelis on the basis of a return to Israel's de facto borders as they existed before its 1967 war with neighbouring Arab countries - a precondition, accepted by Arabs and by many previous Israeli leaders and Canadian governments, that would be necessary to get Palestinians back to the table.


Mr. Harper made his opposition to that position clear through a spokesperson shortly after Mr. Obama's Middle East speech last week in a pre-G8 briefing, making him the lone leader in the G8 not to back the U.S. preconditions.

A unified statement on a negotiated path to a Palestinian state had been a key goal of the Deauville summit, in large part because such a statement might have pre-empted an attempt to pass a United Nations resolution that would declare a Palestinian state against Israel's will.


There was some sense that Canada is putting an obstacle in the way of this goal. "Mr. Harper clearly is the odd man out on this one, and it won't do him any favours," a British official involved with the G8 conference said." [Doug Saunders]

On Israel, Harper stands alone at G8 summit

PM refuses to accept 1967 border precondition to begin peace negotiations with Palestinians

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It is my guess that for some reason or another Prime Minister Mark Carney felt that he had to go along with a group of Liberal Party members who are in significantly the same general mentality as these Atheists who debated with Dr. Jordan Peterson.

Jordan Peterson vs 20 Atheists | Surrounded​

My strong suspicion is that angry young Atheists in Canada's Liberal Party are actually setting up a continuation of average Palestinians continuing to serve as "Sacrificial Goats" in the ideological warfare between Russia vs The United States?

I believe that Prime Minister Mark Carney is playing a role in Canadian history that could well reduce the Liberal Party to even lower levels than Mr. Michael Ignatief managed to achieve. [For the record I joined Canada's Liberal Party in 2009 and I was a member until 2015 when Prime Minister Justin Trudeau made it clear that "Pro-Life Liberals" were not welcome in the party that he was beginning to mold to his will.

In a August 24, 2006 article entitled, "Russian Footprints", Ion Mihai Pacepa writes:

By the end of the 1960s, the KGB was deeply involved in mass terrorism against Jews, carried out by various Palestinian client organizations. Here are some terrorist actions for which the KGB took credit while I was still in Romania: November 1969, armed attack on the El Al office in Athens, leaving 1 dead and 14 wounded; May 30, 1972, Ben Gurion Airport attack, leaving 22 dead and 76 wounded; December 1974, Tel Aviv movie theater bomb, leaving 2 dead and 66 wounded; March 1975, attack on a Tel Aviv hotel, leaving 25 dead and 6 wounded; May 1975, Jerusalem bomb, leaving 1 dead and 3 wounded; July 4, 1975, bomb in Zion Square, Jerusalem, leaving 15 dead and 62 wounded; April 1978, Brussels airport attack, leaving 12 wounded; May 1978, attack on an El Al plane in Paris, leaving 12 wounded. ... In 1972, the Kremlin decided to turn the whole Islamic world against Israel and the U.S. As KGB chairman Yury Andropov told me, a billion adversaries could inflict far greater damage on America than could a few millions. We needed to instill a Nazi-style hatred for the Jews throughout the Islamic world, and to turn this weapon of the emotions into a terrorist bloodbath against Israel and its main supporter, the United States. No one within the American/Zionist sphere of influence should any longer feel safe.

• 1970 - Yasser Arafat, the father of modern terrorism:
  
  
  In 1970 the Kremlin became interested in an obscure Arab construction engineer and collector of racecars, named Rahman al-Qudwa. Evidence shows, contrary to later claims, that this "construction engineer" was an Egyptian, born in Cairo during the summer of 1929. Rahman graduated from the University of Cairo and served as an officer in the Egyptian Army during the 1956 Suez campaign. Later he set up a business in Kuwait and made a fortune. He then entered politics, founding a hopelessly small terrorist organization.... According to the former head of Romanian intelligence, Lt. Gen. Ion Mihai Pacepa, one of the highest ranking communist defectors of all time, Rahman al-Qudwa became an important political ally of the communist bloc following the death of Egypt's president, Gamal Abdul Nasser, in 1970. Gen. Pacepa's account of Rahman's intimate relations with the communist bloc is related in a book entitled "Red Horizons."... Rahman al-Qudwa is better known as Yasser Arafat, the chairman of the PLO since 1968 and the president of the Palestinian Authority -- which is now at war with Israel. According to Gen. Pacepa's account, communist dictator Nicolae Ceausescu ordered his people to bring Arafat over to Romania. In late 1970 the chief of Romanian intelligence in Egypt, Gen. Constantine Munteanu, arrived in Bucharest with Arafat in tow. Munteanu had gathered an extensive file on Arafat, which characterized the PLO leader as "so much cleverness, blood, and filth all together in one man." Pacepa says that this was Munteanu's "standard definition of Arafat."
  Given Gen. Munteanu's extensive file, Arafat could not exactly refuse the communist's "friendly" overtures. There is little question that Arafat is fanatically devoted to destroying Israel, and would sell his soul to the devil to gain his devilish ends. Therefore, a compact between Arafat and the Soviet Union via communist Romania was not something that violated any sacred Islamic rule in Arafat's heart. Arafat is no Moslem. His fanaticism is completely secular. But since he operates within the Islamic world, he must sometimes appear as a would-be Muslim liberator. (“Kremlin puppets and how they work,” J.R. Nyquist, October 19, 2000) (read also Our Lady of the Roses prophecy about one who would come out of Egypt...)
• 1972 - According to Ion Mihai Pacepa, “In 1972, the Kremlin decided to turn the whole Islamic world against Israel and the U.S. As KGB chairman Yury Andropov … [said], a billion adversaries could inflict far greater damage on America than could a few millions. We needed to instill Nazi-style hatred for the Jews throughout the Islamic world, and to turn this weapon … against Israel and its main supporter, the United States.”
• 1973 - Soviet statements and preparations for an attack against Israel led the Pentagon to order U.S. nuclear forces to the highest state of peacetime readiness. The Joint Chiefs of Staff ordered the 82nd Airborne Division to prepare to head to the Middle East, and additional U.S. naval forces -- including American aircraft carriers -- moved into the Mediterranean, all out of a real and rising concern that the Soviets were about to make an unprecedented military move against Israel.
• 1982 - Israeli forces battling PLO terrorists in southern Lebanon unexpectedly uncovered a secret but massive cache of Soviet weaponry in deep underground cellars and tunnels. The storehouses contained some 4,000 tons of ammunition, 144 armored vehicles and tanks, 12,500 pieces of small arms, and 515 heavy weapons. Then-Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin said that the Russians had prepositioned enough weapons to "equip not five brigades, but five or six [Soviet] divisions," adding that "we shall need literally thousands of trucks to evacuate these weapons from Lebanon."

Unconverted Russia and its influence on the Mideast

Osama bin Laden's deputy issued a worldwide call today for Muslims to rise up in holy war against Israel and join the fighting in Lebanon and Gaza, until Islam reigns from "Spain to Iraq". Ayman al-Zawahiri warned that al-Qaida would not stand "idly by, humiliated", as Israeli "shells burn our...

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Who do you think approached the Israeli - Palestinian crisis with the greatest level of wisdom and understanding of the Big Picture?

I personally feel that Prime Minister Stephen Harper did a vastly better job at the G-8 meetings in 2011 than Prime Minister Mark Carney is doing now.

I believe that Prime Minister Mark Carney very likely felt "forced or pressured" into his approach to the Israeli - Palestinian conflict by young, idealistic, angry, but terribly biased Atheists and Agnostics in Canada's Liberal Party who have an approach to life much like the twenty young Atheists who debated Dr. Jordan Peterson in a famous youtube video.

My belief is that the P. M. Mark Carney approach tends to make Iran and all of the Iranian proxies, as well as the Russia backed leadership of the Palestinians feel that they can win against the nation of Israel and finish what Adolf Hitler started?

I believe that Prime Minister Mark Carney's position can be termed "courageous" but I believe that it is misguided and fits with plan that was put in writing in 1972 in Russia, that the only way for Russia to win against the USA was to turn a billion Muslims against Israel, [which would weaken the USA and make the USA vulnerable].





It is my guess that for some reason or another Prime Minister Mark Carney felt that he had to go along with a group of Liberal Party members who are in significantly the same general mentality as these Atheists who debated with Dr. Jordan Peterson.

Jordan Peterson vs 20 Atheists | Surrounded​

My strong suspicion is that angry young Atheists in Canada's Liberal Party are actually setting up a continuation of average Palestinians continuing to serve as "Sacrificial Goats" in the ideological warfare between Russia vs The United States?

I believe that Prime Minister Mark Carney is playing a role in Canadian history that could well reduce the Liberal Party to even lower levels than Mr. Michael Ignatief managed to achieve. [For the record I joined Canada's Liberal Party in 2009 and I was a member until 2015 when Prime Minister Justin Trudeau made it clear that "Pro-Life Liberals" were not welcome in the party that he was beginning to mold to his will.

Israel is engaging in genocide against the Palestinians.

 

[DennisPTate]

Israel is engaging in genocide against the Palestinians.

Considering the circumstances now in November of 2025, I can see why you might tend to emphasize that point.....

I believe that it may be even more relevant that the political leadership of the Palestinian people have been turning the Palestinian people into "Sacrificial Pawns" in a massive eight billion unlimited movement variable chess at least since 1972, [but I believe that Russian President Yury Andropov simply put something into writing that was already in effect since the 1920 or 1930's].

Thread 'Are ordinary Palestinians being used as "sacrificial pawns" by Russia?'

Nov 20, 2025

Are ordinary Palestinians being used to play the role of "sacrificial pawns" by powerful people who were working out of Russia?

Are ordinary Palestinians working to assist Atheists in Russia win against Jews in Israel and against Christians in America?

Isn't this sort of thing somewhat against many Sura's in the Koran?

In a August 24, 2006 article entitled, "Russian Footprints", Ion Mihai Pacepa writes:

By the end of the 1960s, the KGB was deeply involved in mass terrorism against Jews, carried out by various Palestinian client organizations. Here are some terrorist...

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In a August 24, 2006 article entitled, "Russian Footprints", Ion Mihai Pacepa writes:

By the end of the 1960s, the KGB was deeply involved in mass terrorism against Jews, carried out by various Palestinian client organizations. Here are some terrorist actions for which the KGB took credit while I was still in Romania: November 1969, armed attack on the El Al office in Athens, leaving 1 dead and 14 wounded; May 30, 1972, Ben Gurion Airport attack, leaving 22 dead and 76 wounded; December 1974, Tel Aviv movie theater bomb, leaving 2 dead and 66 wounded; March 1975, attack on a Tel Aviv hotel, leaving 25 dead and 6 wounded; May 1975, Jerusalem bomb, leaving 1 dead and 3 wounded; July 4, 1975, bomb in Zion Square, Jerusalem, leaving 15 dead and 62 wounded; April 1978, Brussels airport attack, leaving 12 wounded; May 1978, attack on an El Al plane in Paris, leaving 12 wounded. ... In 1972, the Kremlin decided to turn the whole Islamic world against Israel and the U.S. As KGB chairman Yury Andropov told me, a billion adversaries could inflict far greater damage on America than could a few millions. We needed to instill a Nazi-style hatred for the Jews throughout the Islamic world, and to turn this weapon of the emotions into a terrorist bloodbath against Israel and its main supporter, the United States. No one within the American/Zionist sphere of influence should any longer feel safe.

• 1970 - Yasser Arafat, the father of modern terrorism:
  
  
  In 1970 the Kremlin became interested in an obscure Arab construction engineer and collector of racecars, named Rahman al-Qudwa. Evidence shows, contrary to later claims, that this "construction engineer" was an Egyptian, born in Cairo during the summer of 1929. Rahman graduated from the University of Cairo and served as an officer in the Egyptian Army during the 1956 Suez campaign. Later he set up a business in Kuwait and made a fortune. He then entered politics, founding a hopelessly small terrorist organization.... According to the former head of Romanian intelligence, Lt. Gen. Ion Mihai Pacepa, one of the highest ranking communist defectors of all time, Rahman al-Qudwa became an important political ally of the communist bloc following the death of Egypt's president, Gamal Abdul Nasser, in 1970. Gen. Pacepa's account of Rahman's intimate relations with the communist bloc is related in a book entitled "Red Horizons."... Rahman al-Qudwa is better known as Yasser Arafat, the chairman of the PLO since 1968 and the president of the Palestinian Authority -- which is now at war with Israel. According to Gen. Pacepa's account, communist dictator Nicolae Ceausescu ordered his people to bring Arafat over to Romania. In late 1970 the chief of Romanian intelligence in Egypt, Gen. Constantine Munteanu, arrived in Bucharest with Arafat in tow. Munteanu had gathered an extensive file on Arafat, which characterized the PLO leader as "so much cleverness, blood, and filth all together in one man." Pacepa says that this was Munteanu's "standard definition of Arafat."
  Given Gen. Munteanu's extensive file, Arafat could not exactly refuse the communist's "friendly" overtures. There is little question that Arafat is fanatically devoted to destroying Israel, and would sell his soul to the devil to gain his devilish ends. Therefore, a compact between Arafat and the Soviet Union via communist Romania was not something that violated any sacred Islamic rule in Arafat's heart. Arafat is no Moslem. His fanaticism is completely secular. But since he operates within the Islamic world, he must sometimes appear as a would-be Muslim liberator. (“Kremlin puppets and how they work,” J.R. Nyquist, October 19, 2000) (read also Our Lady of the Roses prophecy about one who would come out of Egypt...)
• 1972 - According to Ion Mihai Pacepa, “In 1972, the Kremlin decided to turn the whole Islamic world against Israel and the U.S. As KGB chairman Yury Andropov … [said], a billion adversaries could inflict far greater damage on America than could a few millions. We needed to instill Nazi-style hatred for the Jews throughout the Islamic world, and to turn this weapon … against Israel and its main supporter, the United States.”
• 1973 - Soviet statements and preparations for an attack against Israel led the Pentagon to order U.S. nuclear forces to the highest state of peacetime readiness. The Joint Chiefs of Staff ordered the 82nd Airborne Division to prepare to head to the Middle East, and additional U.S. naval forces -- including American aircraft carriers -- moved into the Mediterranean, all out of a real and rising concern that the Soviets were about to make an unprecedented military move against Israel.
• 1982 - Israeli forces battling PLO terrorists in southern Lebanon unexpectedly uncovered a secret but massive cache of Soviet weaponry in deep underground cellars and tunnels. The storehouses contained some 4,000 tons of ammunition, 144 armored vehicles and tanks, 12,500 pieces of small arms, and 515 heavy weapons. Then-Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin said that the Russians had prepositioned enough weapons to "equip not five brigades, but five or six [Soviet] divisions," adding that "we shall need literally thousands of trucks to evacuate these weapons from Lebanon."

Unconverted Russia and its influence on the Mideast

Osama bin Laden's deputy issued a worldwide call today for Muslims to rise up in holy war against Israel and join the fighting in Lebanon and Gaza, until Islam reigns from "Spain to Iraq". Ayman al-Zawahiri warned that al-Qaida would not stand "idly by, humiliated", as Israeli "shells burn our...

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[DennisPTate]

Israel is engaging in genocide against the Palestinians.

I believe that Canada's Prime Minister is now being somehow forced to go along with the plan that began to be explained publicly in 1972 in Russia on how a billion Muslims could be turned into enthusiastic "SACRIFICIAL PAWNS" in the massive eight billion infinite movement variable chess that Russia has going against the USA!

I do believe that this can be turned around though..... [perhaps by The Wayne Gretzky if he is willing to become Canada's Prime Minister]!

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How can the UN be free if this Goliath influence???

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Israel is engaging in genocide against the Palestinians.

ON THE SURFACE.... it appears as if P. M. Mark Carney is doing the polar opposite to the approach that was taken by Prime Minister Stephen Harper but............ very powerful and brilliant thinkers in CSIS, [the NSA and CIA for us Canadians], know that the situation is different now in 2025 so........
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now the goal is to bring down Iran and all of the terrorist organizations funded by Iran........ and what Prime Minister Mark Carney is doing actually fits perfectly with the long term plan to pretty much destroy the existing political situation in Iran!

There are some very bright people around P. M. Mark Carney who will immediately clue to how much potential is there in the following idea:

.....

"The more that I think about all of this the more convinced I am that here in Brant County, Ontario, Canada, [where there are only about forty thousand residents], it might be possible to convince The Wayne Gretzky to campaign for the office of Mayor of Brant County Ontario, [and at the same time he may decided to hire the Mayor who has been serving this area for years to become his C. E. O. for a new film production cooperative or kibbutz that can include all residents of this county in Ontario as members of this proposed film production cooperative or kibbutz or company?"


This will give you a possible background that I can give to The Wayne Gretzky for free!
....

"Please feel total freedom to move this entire discussion over to the "Conspiracy Theory" forum because I have to admit that there are powerful people in places of influence, who will not like the fact that this discussion is on the "Clean Debate" forum here on USMB.

This will be especially true after I link all of this in with the topic of a group of "Neo-Malthusian" billionaires having set up "Atheism and Agnosticism" as something like an unofficial State Religion even in the USA and Canada in order to be able to make sure that the incidence of C. E. O's having an attack of conscience and abandoning a policy that has been cooked up by off the scale brilliant sociopaths is kept to a minimum?"

....
"I don't totally blame you for thinking that because the modern Educational System depends on "Atheism" and "Agnosticism" to be something like an unofficial State Religion, basically if the foundation of Atheism and Agnosticism were to fall, then the situation where C. E. O's can be found who will persecute and suppress effective treatments for huge diseases such as cancer, would end, and the core core goal of "Depopulation" by the ruling "Neo-Malthusians" would essentially collapse much as the Egyptian economic and military superpower collapsed after "The Exodus" led by Moses."

....
"Pretty powerful evidence exists that perhaps potentially effective treatments for cancer have been suppressed.

You will know what I mean if you will take a listen to the following documentary.

In a way this may be some of the most astonishingly good news that has ever been given to us mere humans.

In 2026 the truth may perhaps come out through aspiring film producers all over the world?"

Post in thread 'Could The Wayne Gretzky, [The Great One], become a Mayor and prevent Bear Market 2026 - 2036?'

Dec 23, 2025

The more that I think about all of this the more convinced I am that here in Brant County, Ontario, Canada, [where there are only about forty thousand residents], it might be possible to convince The Wayne Gretzky to campaign for the office of Mayor of Brant County Ontario, [and at the same time he may decide to hire the Mayor who has been serving this area for years to become his C. E. O. for a new film production cooperative or kibbutz that can include all residents of this county in Ontario as members of this proposed film production cooperative or kibbutz or company?


This will give...

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[DennisPTate]

Israel is engaging in genocide against the Palestinians.

But considering the full context of the entire situation am I an idiot to feel that there should be a massive "Exodus of Jews out of Canada Liberal Party over to the NDP?"



"Mortimer, I think that you are absolutely correct and I also believe that Christians like myself should begin to research ways in which we can assist the people of India from wherever we live. I live in the Canadian province of Ontario, Canada.




I believe that Canada's New Democratic Party are brilliantly set up for a massive Exodus of Jews out of Canada's Liberal Party over to the NDP!?"

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Dec 25, 2025

He is BJP and historically known as Hindu nationalist i think this could mean more tolerance for christians in the hindu majority nation

Mortimer, I think that you are absolutely correct and I also believe that Christians like myself should begin to research ways in which we can assist the people of India from wherever we live. I live in the Canadian province of Ontario, Canada.




I believe that Canada's New Democratic Party are brilliantly set up for a massive Exodus of Jews out of Canada's Liberal Party over to the NDP...

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[DennisPTate]

Israel is engaging in genocide against the Palestinians.

MARCH 11, 1970, is that where you got your alias for the forum?

Rabbi Jonathan Cahn goes into the significance of that date after the five minute mark in this video.

 

[DennisPTate]

Israel is engaging in genocide against the Palestinians.

Am I an idiot to be thinking that Ms. Lenore Zann is in an interesting position to become the future Minister of the Environment in the event that Canada's NDP manage to find a new leader who is good at diplomacy between all of Canada's major political parties?


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I could be incorrect about this but it seems to me that The Ms. Lenore Zann could well become one of the leading voices on Climate Change.
climate change.

In my opinion she is uniquely set up to rival Mr. Al Gore and Ms. Greta Thunberg?


"Physics question related to the geography of the Bay of Fundy?"

"If average ocean levels were to rise by ten centimeters.... .would
the multiplier effect of the geography of the Bay of Fundy continue?

The fact that the Bay of Fundy funnels tidal waters plus......
it is over 170 miles long, (274 kms), it produces high tide level that are tenX to fifteenX over the difference in tidal waters where I live.

So... could high tide levels near TRuro, N. S. to Moncton, N. B. be up by a meter or more if average ocean levels were to rise by ten centimeters?" [Dennis Tate, March 7, 2021]