One More Of Those Environmentalist Fairytales

[PoliticalChic]

1. The Fly, by Ogden Nash
God in his wisdom made the fly
And then forgot to tell us why.

Do you think there would there be a universal gnashing of teeth, and wringing of hands, if the fly were to become extinct???



2. Yet, it seems that among environmentalists, there is the view that the biosphere sits on the edge of the abyss....and if even one of the organisms extant relinquishes that identity....everything disappears....poof!
All life on the planet is doomed.

See....that's a fairytale.


The fly wouldn't be missed a bit.
And the same could apply to the red cockaded woodpecker, and the spotted owl, and dozens of others!
But once the environmental bureaucrats latch on to one of these, they steal private property by regulating it out of the owner's hands.



3. "Since the environmental movement began, it has supported thousands of regulations and ideas for environmental improvement. It is now clear that few of these lead to profit, and most take a big bite out of someone's earnings or the national economy."
Kaufman, " No Turning Back: Dismantling the Fantasies of Environmental Thinking."

4. ".... most environmental fears have been vastly overstated, and the risks (economic and health) of current environmental policies (the Clean Air Act, Superfund, the Endangered Species Act, the proposed carbon taxes) are much greater—and the effectiveness far less—than once believed.
Carnival of Dunces | Competitive Enterprise Institute



5. Science writer Kaufman, who has served as president of two state-level groups, identifies with other "recovering" environmentalists who report that internal politics has given those in the movement an irrational view of the world.
... .... fires broadsides at the environmental movement, which, he argues, has become a religion that ignores the basic principles of science, economics and human nature.

....Among his targets are programs sponsored by the Environmental Protection Agency, the Endangered Species Act, the premises of Al Gore's Earth in the Balance and various recycling programs. In this stimulating volume, Kaufman discusses new technologies and suggests that private enterprises are not necessarily anti-environment and can be beneficial as a resource."
Amazon.com No Turning Back Dismantling the Fantasies of Environmental Thinking 9780465051182 Wallace Kaufman Books


So....not just a fairytale....but a fairy tale that hides the real scam: control and confiscation of private property ....and of liberty.

 

[PoliticalChic]

6. As the saying goes, Liberals do what feels good. Conservatives do what does good.

Liberals...and, basically, that means 'environmentalists,' function as though their understanding of the world comes from Disney's 'Bambi.'

The Endangered Species Act is a case in point.
'Save every species...no matter the reason, no matter the costs....'
And...their efforts don't even do that.


a. "The Endangered Species Act has not saved any species, but the costs for trying have run into the billions. In Travis County, Texas, for example, listing just two songbirds as endangers caused a $300 million loss in property values by limiting development potential, according to the chief tax appraiser."
Kaufman, "No Turning Back," p. 11.


b. "Anyone who thinks that nature prefers humans and our environment or any species we know and love should consider that 99.9 percent of the billions of species that have lived on earth over the past 3.5 billion years have been dismissed into oblivion."
Ibid, p. 12



Liberalism can be summed up thus:

Good intentions plus coercion equals solution.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Here is one of those phony 'save the endangered whatever' scams......

7. "The red-cockaded woodpecker has been the focus of conservation efforts even before the passing of the Endangered Species Act in 1970. In Florida, pairs are being released at DuPuis Management Area.
Due to the high importance of nesting habitat on the woodpecker's reproduction, much management has been dedicated to create ideal and more numerous nesting sites. Nesting clusters have been spared from forestry activity to preserve old-growth, large diameter trees. The nesting sites themselves have also been managed to make them more appealing. The use of controlled burning has been used to reduce deciduous growth around nesting colonies. The red-cockaded woodpecker has been shown to prefer nesting sites with less deciduous growth. The use of controlled burning must be exercised with caution due to the highly flammable resin barriers formed by the woodpecker." Red-cockaded woodpecker - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



a. "Red-cockaded woodpeckers are territorial, nonmigratory birds that depend on southern pine forests. They are ecologically important in this ecosystem in part because the cavities they excavate provide habitat for many other birds, which may include chickadees, bluebirds, titmice, and other woodpecker species. Larger woodpeckers may enlarge the original cavities enough to accommodate screech owls, flying squirrels, wood ducks, raccoons, and several species of reptiles and amphibians. Because of the important habitat they create, red-cockaded woodpeckers are a keystone species, a species that has ecological importance well beyond their abundance." Red-cockaded Woodpecker | Southern Forests For The Future



Here's a plan!
Rather than regulating the properties out of the owner's hands, how about the government simply excavate cavities in random trees......but that wouldn't give the petty tyrants control, would it.

 

[PoliticalChic]

John Locke wrote that one of the foundation stones of the classical liberal notion of private property is that it is a natural right which all individuals have.

In fact, "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness" was originally, life, liberty and property (John Locke: Natural Rights to Life, Liberty, and Property | Jim Powell)


Private property rights are the heart of liberty.
But the bureaucrats, those petty tyrants, couldn't care less.




8. "Economics: Short and long-term economic benefits can conflict with the preservation of certain species. Restrictions on land use to protect habitats can have negative impacts on businesses, tourism and result in loss of jobs.

Critics claim the law is extreme and inflexible in requiring the protection of EVERY species regardless of other considerations. More recently, critics have questioned the science behind ESA enforcement arguing that healthy species are sometimes placed on the list. Court costs are enormous; lawsuits from both pro-environment and pro-development groups add greatly to the expense of enforcing ESA. http://www.asd5.org/cms/lib4/WA01001311/Centricity/Domain/278/ESA pros and cons.pdf



As is true of much of environmentalism, it is based on politics rather than science.

 

[PoliticalChic]

9. When one looks at the de facto confiscation of private property by the environmentalists.....this history lesson serves as explanation: Liberalism, Progressivism.....environmentalism.....all are iterations of communism, Nazism, etc., with government control of every aspect of the citizen's lives.


a. When the Soviet Union fell, many fellow travelers migrated to the environmental movement. So much so, that the movement is often referred to as the ‘Watermelon Movement”: green on the outside, red on the inside.

b. “Delingpole does an excellent job of cutting through he jargon and presenting the essentials. But where the book really shines is exposing the politics behind this manufactured crisis.” From a review of “Watermelons: The Green Movement's True Colors”




10. On the excellent webcast Uncommon Knowledge, Czech president Václav Klaus recently compared “two ideologies” that were “structurally very similar. They are against individual freedom. They are in favor of centralistic masterminding of our fates.
They are both very similar in telling us what to do, how to live, how to behave, what to eat, how to travel, what we can do and what we cannot do.”
The first of Klaus’s “two ideologies” was Communism—a system with which he was deeply familiar, having participated in the Velvet Revolution in 1989. The second was environmentalism.
The Varieties of Liberal Enthusiasm by Benjamin A. Plotinsky, City Journal Spring 2010

 

[PoliticalChic]

The Endangered Species Act is just one way the environmental leftists hide their attempts to confiscate and control private property....but sometimes they lose.....


11. ".... the decades-long confrontation between various federal agencies and the late Wayne Hage, the Nevada rancher/liberty activist/scholar who won multiple court victories and landmark decisions against federal overreach. In an interview with The New American in 2002, Hage explained the important legal distinctions that govern property rights in the West, particularly as they apply to so-called public lands.

Chief Judge Robert C. Jones of the Federal District Court of Nevada issued a blistering decision that charged officials of the BLM and other agencies with malicious and criminal conduct, and actually engaging in a decades-long “conspiracy” against the Hages.

Judge Jones said he found that “the government and the agents of the government in that locale, sometime in the ’70s and ’80s, entered into a conspiracy, a literal, intentional conspiracy, to deprive the Hages of not only their permit grazing rights, for whatever reason, but also to deprive them of their vested property rights under the takings clause, and I find that that’s a sufficient basis to hold that there is irreparable harm if I don’t ... restrain the government from continuing in that conduct.” Last Man Standing: Nevada Ranch Family in Fedgov Face-off



Perhaps a time will come when Americans see what is going on....and take back the government.
Perhaps we'll have our birthright ...liberty....returned.

 

[PoliticalChic]

12. Perhaps some know that before it became “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” in our Declaration of Independence, John Locke wrote that man has a right to “life, liberty, and property.” Property Rights Have Personal Parallels
a. Under United States law the principal limitations on whether and the extent to which the State may interfere with property rights are set by the Constitution. The "Takings" clause requires that the government (whether state or federal—for the 14th Amendment's due process clause imposes the 5th Amendment's takings clause on state governments) may take private property only for a public purpose, after exercising due process of law, and upon making "just compensation."
Right to property - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



13. That said, the ‘Eco-Fascists’ have managed the sequestration of productive land unmatched since the age of kings. Over 30% of the American land base lies under no-use or limited-use restrictions….almost 700 million acres. The Bureau of Land Management and the Department of the Interior are targeting the confiscation of another 213 million acres, bringing the count to nearly half of the continent! http://rcalfusa.com/Trade/property_rights/100900BLMLeakedMemo.pdf

a. "A fundamental principle of our society is property rights. In nations were property rights have not been formally established, the costs of legally validating ownership of a home, a farm, or a business may be prohibitively expensive relative to the average income level, a crippling handicap for those seeking to rise from poverty to prosperity. Without property rights, one with entrepreneurial talents loses the access to other people’s money: homes or other assets not recognized by a legal system cannot be used as collateral."
Sowell, “Economic Facts & Fallacies,” chapter seven.


There is no faster way to create a nation of serfs than to remove property rights.

 

[Dovahkiin]

1. The Fly, by Ogden Nash
God in his wisdom made the fly
And then forgot to tell us why.

Do you think there would there be a universal gnashing of teeth, and wringing of hands, if the fly were to become extinct???



2. Yet, it seems that among environmentalists, there is the view that the biosphere sits on the edge of the abyss....and if even one of the organisms extant relinquishes that identity....everything disappears....poof!
All life on the planet is doomed.

See....that's a fairytale.


The fly wouldn't be missed a bit.
And the same could apply to the red cockaded woodpecker, and the spotted owl, and dozens of others!
But once the environmental bureaucrats latch on to one of these, they steal private property by regulating it out of the owner's hands.



3. "Since the environmental movement began, it has supported thousands of regulations and ideas for environmental improvement. It is now clear that few of these lead to profit, and most take a big bite out of someone's earnings or the national economy."
Kaufman, " No Turning Back: Dismantling the Fantasies of Environmental Thinking."

4. ".... most environmental fears have been vastly overstated, and the risks (economic and health) of current environmental policies (the Clean Air Act, Superfund, the Endangered Species Act, the proposed carbon taxes) are much greater—and the effectiveness far less—than once believed.
Carnival of Dunces | Competitive Enterprise Institute



5. Science writer Kaufman, who has served as president of two state-level groups, identifies with other "recovering" environmentalists who report that internal politics has given those in the movement an irrational view of the world.
... .... fires broadsides at the environmental movement, which, he argues, has become a religion that ignores the basic principles of science, economics and human nature.

....Among his targets are programs sponsored by the Environmental Protection Agency, the Endangered Species Act, the premises of Al Gore's Earth in the Balance and various recycling programs. In this stimulating volume, Kaufman discusses new technologies and suggests that private enterprises are not necessarily anti-environment and can be beneficial as a resource."
Amazon.com No Turning Back Dismantling the Fantasies of Environmental Thinking 9780465051182 Wallace Kaufman Books


So....not just a fairytale....but a fairy tale that hides the real scam: control and confiscation of private property ....and of liberty.

Do you think there would there be a universal gnashing of teeth, and wringing of hands, if the fly were to become extinct???

Probably not. The real question is, after 100 years, do you think there would be a gnashing of teeth if elephants went extinct? Of course not. Does that mean we should just abandon efforts to help elephants?

2. Yet, it seems that among environmentalists, there is the view that the biosphere sits on the edge of the abyss....and if even one of the organisms extant relinquishes that identity....everything disappears....poof!

In your mind, sure. In reality? I have yet to see any environmentalist claim one species going extinct will kill us all.

But once the environmental bureaucrats latch on to one of these, they steal private property by regulating it out of the owner's hands.

Fear mongering with no place in reality. I'm sure you're one of the people supporting the "militia: in oregon.

"Since the environmental movement began, it has supported thousands of regulations and ideas for environmental improvement.

Of course they do, and look what it has brought us. Clean air, clean water, saving species, parks..

It is now clear that few of these lead to profit

Why should they?

most environmental fears have been vastly overstated, and the risks (economic and health) of current environmental policies (the Clean Air Act, Superfund, the Endangered Species Act, the proposed carbon taxes) are much greater—and the effectiveness far less—than once believed.

Overstated? Sure, some people over-exaggerate climate change, but there are real problems we need to face.

Science writer Kaufman, who has served as president of two state-level groups, identifies with other "recovering" environmentalists who report that internal politics has given those in the movement an irrational view of the world.

Yes, and you will find ex republicans who believe they held an irrational world view.. doesn't mean we listen to them.

has become a religion that ignores the basic principles of science, economics and human nature.

Silly falsehood.

Kaufman discusses new technologies and suggests that private enterprises are not necessarily anti-environment and can be beneficial as a resource."

Nothing wrong with private enterprise, but attacking every environmental movement as "irrational" is the very definition of "irrational."

control and confiscation of private property ....and of liberty.

Need a tissue?

 

[Dovahkiin]

6. As the saying goes, Liberals do what feels good. Conservatives do what does good.

Liberals...and, basically, that means 'environmentalists,' function as though their understanding of the world comes from Disney's 'Bambi.'

The Endangered Species Act is a case in point.
'Save every species...no matter the reason, no matter the costs....'
And...their efforts don't even do that.


a. "The Endangered Species Act has not saved any species, but the costs for trying have run into the billions. In Travis County, Texas, for example, listing just two songbirds as endangers caused a $300 million loss in property values by limiting development potential, according to the chief tax appraiser."
Kaufman, "No Turning Back," p. 11.


b. "Anyone who thinks that nature prefers humans and our environment or any species we know and love should consider that 99.9 percent of the billions of species that have lived on earth over the past 3.5 billion years have been dismissed into oblivion."
Ibid, p. 12



Liberalism can be summed up thus:

Good intentions plus coercion equals solution.

Liberals do what feels good. Conservatives do what does good.

Isn't that fantastic? A partisan statement right at the beginning of the post. Both sides are guilty of this, don't kid yourself.

'environmentalists,' function as though their understanding of the world comes from Disney's 'Bambi.'

God, the partisan dog crap I smell from this post is hard to stand..

Save every species...no matter the reason, no matter the costs....'

They do consider the costs.
The Endangered Species Act: A Wild Success

The Endangered Species Act is the strongest law for protecting biodiversity passed by any nation. Its purpose is to prevent the extinction of our most at-risk plants and animals, increase their numbers and effect their full recovery — and eventually their removal from the endangered list.

Currently the Act protects more than 1,400 plant and animal species in the United States and its territories, many of which are successfully recovering.
The Act is now in its 41st year. Over the past four decades, it has repeatedly demonstrated that — when used to the full extent of the law — it works. To date only 10 species protected under the Act have been declared extinct, and of these, eight were likely extinct before they were protected. In other words, the Act has been more than 99 percent successful at preventing extinction. Were it not for the Act, scientists estimate, at least 227 species would have likely gone extinct since the law’s passage.
But the Act isn’t just keeping species from extinction — it’s also helping hundreds of species recover. A 2012 Center study documented 110 species that have seen tremendous recovery while protected under the Act, with the great majority meeting or exceeding recovery timelines set by federal scientists. This study built on Center work showing that of all species listed in the northeastern United States, 93 percent are stable or improving and more than 80 percent are meeting the recovery targets established in federal recovery plans.

99.9 percent of the billions of species that have lived on earth over the past 3.5 billion years have been dismissed into oblivion."

This is, quite literally, one of the most hilarious arguments I've ever heard. "LOOK, ALL OF THESE SPECIES DIED A BILLION YEARS AGO, SO IT'S OK IF WE LET SPECIES TODAY GO EXTINCT." Yeah, if you think that way, I pity you.

 

[Dovahkiin]

Here is one of those phony 'save the endangered whatever' scams......

7. "The red-cockaded woodpecker has been the focus of conservation efforts even before the passing of the Endangered Species Act in 1970. In Florida, pairs are being released at DuPuis Management Area.
Due to the high importance of nesting habitat on the woodpecker's reproduction, much management has been dedicated to create ideal and more numerous nesting sites. Nesting clusters have been spared from forestry activity to preserve old-growth, large diameter trees. The nesting sites themselves have also been managed to make them more appealing. The use of controlled burning has been used to reduce deciduous growth around nesting colonies. The red-cockaded woodpecker has been shown to prefer nesting sites with less deciduous growth. The use of controlled burning must be exercised with caution due to the highly flammable resin barriers formed by the woodpecker." Red-cockaded woodpecker - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



a. "Red-cockaded woodpeckers are territorial, nonmigratory birds that depend on southern pine forests. They are ecologically important in this ecosystem in part because the cavities they excavate provide habitat for many other birds, which may include chickadees, bluebirds, titmice, and other woodpecker species. Larger woodpeckers may enlarge the original cavities enough to accommodate screech owls, flying squirrels, wood ducks, raccoons, and several species of reptiles and amphibians. Because of the important habitat they create, red-cockaded woodpeckers are a keystone species, a species that has ecological importance well beyond their abundance." Red-cockaded Woodpecker | Southern Forests For The Future



Here's a plan!
Rather than regulating the properties out of the owner's hands, how about the government simply excavate cavities in random trees......but that wouldn't give the petty tyrants control, would it.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Dovahkiin]

John Locke wrote that one of the foundation stones of the classical liberal notion of private property is that it is a natural right which all individuals have.

In fact, "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness" was originally, life, liberty and property (John Locke: Natural Rights to Life, Liberty, and Property | Jim Powell)


Private property rights are the heart of liberty.
But the bureaucrats, those petty tyrants, couldn't care less.




8. "Economics: Short and long-term economic benefits can conflict with the preservation of certain species. Restrictions on land use to protect habitats can have negative impacts on businesses, tourism and result in loss of jobs.

Critics claim the law is extreme and inflexible in requiring the protection of EVERY species regardless of other considerations. More recently, critics have questioned the science behind ESA enforcement arguing that healthy species are sometimes placed on the list. Court costs are enormous; lawsuits from both pro-environment and pro-development groups add greatly to the expense of enforcing ESA. http://www.asd5.org/cms/lib4/WA01001311/Centricity/Domain/278/ESA pros and cons.pdf



As is true of much of environmentalism, it is based on politics rather than science.

John Locke wrote that one of the foundation stones of the classical liberal notion of private property is that it is a natural right which all individuals have.

Indeed, and both conservatives/liberals agree on this point. This doesn't mean the government has no power to take property though.

But the bureaucrats, those petty tyrants, couldn't care less.

I'd like to remind you who passed the endangered species act.
Nixon signs into law Endangered Species Act, Dec. 28, 1973

Congress spent nearly a year negotiating a final bill, melding a stronger House version with a weaker Senate one. The House approved the measure on Dec. 20 by a vote of 355-4. It replaced a weaker 1969 statute that lacked penalties for killing endangered species.
The law was largely written by a team of lawyers and scientists that included the first head of the White House Office of Environmental Quality, Russell Train, who died on Sept. 17, 2012, at age 92.
The act is administered by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, which deals with marine species, and by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, which is responsible for freshwater fish and all other species. Species that occur in both habitats, such as sea turtles and Atlantic sturgeon, are jointly managed by both agencies.
The American Bald Eagle — designated the national symbol by the Second Continental Congress in 1782 — became one the first species to be placed on the endangered list. The protective umbrella proved successful: By 2007, the eagle population had recovered sufficiently to be removed from the list

Restrictions on land use to protect habitats can have negative impacts on businesses, tourism and result in loss of jobs.

This is true to an extent, but as it stands, we are not seeing these "disastrous" effects.

 

[Dovahkiin]

9. When one looks at the de facto confiscation of private property by the environmentalists.....this history lesson serves as explanation: Liberalism, Progressivism.....environmentalism.....all are iterations of communism, Nazism, etc., with government control of every aspect of the citizen's lives.


a. When the Soviet Union fell, many fellow travelers migrated to the environmental movement. So much so, that the movement is often referred to as the ‘Watermelon Movement”: green on the outside, red on the inside.

b. “Delingpole does an excellent job of cutting through he jargon and presenting the essentials. But where the book really shines is exposing the politics behind this manufactured crisis.” From a review of “Watermelons: The Green Movement's True Colors”




10. On the excellent webcast Uncommon Knowledge, Czech president Václav Klaus recently compared “two ideologies” that were “structurally very similar. They are against individual freedom. They are in favor of centralistic masterminding of our fates.
They are both very similar in telling us what to do, how to live, how to behave, what to eat, how to travel, what we can do and what we cannot do.”
The first of Klaus’s “two ideologies” was Communism—a system with which he was deeply familiar, having participated in the Velvet Revolution in 1989. The second was environmentalism.
The Varieties of Liberal Enthusiasm by Benjamin A. Plotinsky, City Journal Spring 2010

de facto confiscation of private property by the environmentalists

OP believes that the government has no power to take private property. OP believes LIBERALS are responsible for environmentalist causes when the ESA was passed..

Congress spent nearly a year negotiating a final bill, melding a stronger House version with a weaker Senate one. The House approved the measure on Dec. 20 by a vote of 355-4.

OP tries to connect communism to the moderate left wing democrats.. OP is a partisan nutter.

 

[Camp]

Here is one of those phony 'save the endangered whatever' scams......

7. "The red-cockaded woodpecker has been the focus of conservation efforts even before the passing of the Endangered Species Act in 1970. In Florida, pairs are being released at DuPuis Management Area.
Due to the high importance of nesting habitat on the woodpecker's reproduction, much management has been dedicated to create ideal and more numerous nesting sites. Nesting clusters have been spared from forestry activity to preserve old-growth, large diameter trees. The nesting sites themselves have also been managed to make them more appealing. The use of controlled burning has been used to reduce deciduous growth around nesting colonies. The red-cockaded woodpecker has been shown to prefer nesting sites with less deciduous growth. The use of controlled burning must be exercised with caution due to the highly flammable resin barriers formed by the woodpecker." Red-cockaded woodpecker - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



a. "Red-cockaded woodpeckers are territorial, nonmigratory birds that depend on southern pine forests. They are ecologically important in this ecosystem in part because the cavities they excavate provide habitat for many other birds, which may include chickadees, bluebirds, titmice, and other woodpecker species. Larger woodpeckers may enlarge the original cavities enough to accommodate screech owls, flying squirrels, wood ducks, raccoons, and several species of reptiles and amphibians. Because of the important habitat they create, red-cockaded woodpeckers are a keystone species, a species that has ecological importance well beyond their abundance." Red-cockaded Woodpecker | Southern Forests For The Future



Here's a plan!
Rather than regulating the properties out of the owner's hands, how about the government simply excavate cavities in random trees......but that wouldn't give the petty tyrants control, would it.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

Stupid beyond belief. Plant life would all but cease to exist without saprophytes.

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. The Fly, by Ogden Nash
God in his wisdom made the fly
And then forgot to tell us why.

Do you think there would there be a universal gnashing of teeth, and wringing of hands, if the fly were to become extinct???



2. Yet, it seems that among environmentalists, there is the view that the biosphere sits on the edge of the abyss....and if even one of the organisms extant relinquishes that identity....everything disappears....poof!
All life on the planet is doomed.

See....that's a fairytale.


The fly wouldn't be missed a bit.
And the same could apply to the red cockaded woodpecker, and the spotted owl, and dozens of others!
But once the environmental bureaucrats latch on to one of these, they steal private property by regulating it out of the owner's hands.



3. "Since the environmental movement began, it has supported thousands of regulations and ideas for environmental improvement. It is now clear that few of these lead to profit, and most take a big bite out of someone's earnings or the national economy."
Kaufman, " No Turning Back: Dismantling the Fantasies of Environmental Thinking."

4. ".... most environmental fears have been vastly overstated, and the risks (economic and health) of current environmental policies (the Clean Air Act, Superfund, the Endangered Species Act, the proposed carbon taxes) are much greater—and the effectiveness far less—than once believed.
Carnival of Dunces | Competitive Enterprise Institute



5. Science writer Kaufman, who has served as president of two state-level groups, identifies with other "recovering" environmentalists who report that internal politics has given those in the movement an irrational view of the world.
... .... fires broadsides at the environmental movement, which, he argues, has become a religion that ignores the basic principles of science, economics and human nature.

....Among his targets are programs sponsored by the Environmental Protection Agency, the Endangered Species Act, the premises of Al Gore's Earth in the Balance and various recycling programs. In this stimulating volume, Kaufman discusses new technologies and suggests that private enterprises are not necessarily anti-environment and can be beneficial as a resource."
Amazon.com No Turning Back Dismantling the Fantasies of Environmental Thinking 9780465051182 Wallace Kaufman Books


So....not just a fairytale....but a fairy tale that hides the real scam: control and confiscation of private property ....and of liberty.

Do you think there would there be a universal gnashing of teeth, and wringing of hands, if the fly were to become extinct???

Probably not. The real question is, after 100 years, do you think there would be a gnashing of teeth if elephants went extinct? Of course not. Does that mean we should just abandon efforts to help elephants?

2. Yet, it seems that among environmentalists, there is the view that the biosphere sits on the edge of the abyss....and if even one of the organisms extant relinquishes that identity....everything disappears....poof!

In your mind, sure. In reality? I have yet to see any environmentalist claim one species going extinct will kill us all.

But once the environmental bureaucrats latch on to one of these, they steal private property by regulating it out of the owner's hands.

Fear mongering with no place in reality. I'm sure you're one of the people supporting the "militia: in oregon.

"Since the environmental movement began, it has supported thousands of regulations and ideas for environmental improvement.

Of course they do, and look what it has brought us. Clean air, clean water, saving species, parks..

It is now clear that few of these lead to profit

Why should they?

most environmental fears have been vastly overstated, and the risks (economic and health) of current environmental policies (the Clean Air Act, Superfund, the Endangered Species Act, the proposed carbon taxes) are much greater—and the effectiveness far less—than once believed.

Overstated? Sure, some people over-exaggerate climate change, but there are real problems we need to face.

Science writer Kaufman, who has served as president of two state-level groups, identifies with other "recovering" environmentalists who report that internal politics has given those in the movement an irrational view of the world.

Yes, and you will find ex republicans who believe they held an irrational world view.. doesn't mean we listen to them.

has become a religion that ignores the basic principles of science, economics and human nature.

Silly falsehood.

Kaufman discusses new technologies and suggests that private enterprises are not necessarily anti-environment and can be beneficial as a resource."

Nothing wrong with private enterprise, but attacking every environmental movement as "irrational" is the very definition of "irrational."

control and confiscation of private property ....and of liberty.

Need a tissue?

"The Endangered Species Act has not saved any species, but the costs for trying have run into the billions. In Travis County, Texas, for example, listing just two songbirds as endangers caused a $300 million loss in property values by limiting development potential, according to the chief tax appraiser."
Kaufman, "No Turning Back," p. 11.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

It's pretty obvious that the members of the AGWCult here are posters not interested in debate or education, but rather are here, paid or not, to endlessly repeat all the enviromarxist talking points.

 

[Camp]

It's pretty obvious that the members of the AGWCult here are posters not interested in debate or education, but rather are here, paid or not, to endlessly repeat all the enviromarxist talking points.

What do you expect. The OP hasn't got a clue about how important flies are. The thread begins with the stupid suggestion that they are insignificant.

 

[PoliticalChic]

9. When one looks at the de facto confiscation of private property by the environmentalists.....this history lesson serves as explanation: Liberalism, Progressivism.....environmentalism.....all are iterations of communism, Nazism, etc., with government control of every aspect of the citizen's lives.


a. When the Soviet Union fell, many fellow travelers migrated to the environmental movement. So much so, that the movement is often referred to as the ‘Watermelon Movement”: green on the outside, red on the inside.

b. “Delingpole does an excellent job of cutting through he jargon and presenting the essentials. But where the book really shines is exposing the politics behind this manufactured crisis.” From a review of “Watermelons: The Green Movement's True Colors”




10. On the excellent webcast Uncommon Knowledge, Czech president Václav Klaus recently compared “two ideologies” that were “structurally very similar. They are against individual freedom. They are in favor of centralistic masterminding of our fates.
They are both very similar in telling us what to do, how to live, how to behave, what to eat, how to travel, what we can do and what we cannot do.”
The first of Klaus’s “two ideologies” was Communism—a system with which he was deeply familiar, having participated in the Velvet Revolution in 1989. The second was environmentalism.
The Varieties of Liberal Enthusiasm by Benjamin A. Plotinsky, City Journal Spring 2010

de facto confiscation of private property by the environmentalists

OP believes that the government has no power to take private property. OP believes LIBERALS are responsible for environmentalist causes when the ESA was passed..

Congress spent nearly a year negotiating a final bill, melding a stronger House version with a weaker Senate one. The House approved the measure on Dec. 20 by a vote of 355-4.

OP tries to connect communism to the moderate left wing democrats.. OP is a partisan nutter.

As intellectually....'challenged' ...as you are, I'm certain you don't know the meaning of 'serendipity.'
Well, I suppose I have to teach you English, as well as history, politics, environmentalism,....

Serendipity....It's a lucky gift.
I had just read this paean to ignorance....
"OP tries to connect communism to the moderate left wing democrats..."

...then this proof of the firm connection between Democrats and communism...the very element illustrated in my thread....the desire to decry private property, popped up.



"President Obama’s nominee for a federal judgeship in Minnesota accused the Reagan administration of “bigotry” in her writing for the prestigious UCLA Law Review in 1989.
Minnesota Supreme Court Justice Wilhelmina Wright, who is expected to win Senate confirmation to federal District Court in her state next Tuesday, wrote the accusation shortly before graduating Harvard Law School.
Wright accused Chief Justice William Rehnquist and President Reagan of aiding “white people [who] are running and hiding” from desegregated public schools.
While a third year law student, Wright wrote about the demographic shift of white families leaving cities for the suburbs:
...while addressing a different topic, Wright wrote that “the sanctity of property and the belief in the hierarchy of races” undergirds racism in America."
[FONT=Source Sans Pro, sans-serif]Obama Nominee Accused Reagan of ‘Bigotry’[/FONT]

 

[PoliticalChic]

It's pretty obvious that the members of the AGWCult here are posters not interested in debate or education, but rather are here, paid or not, to endlessly repeat all the enviromarxist talking points.

What do you expect. The OP hasn't got a clue about how important flies are. The thread begins with the stupid suggestion that they are insignificant.

I hope to leave this post of yours as the defining example of your .....cerebration.

 

[Camp]

It's pretty obvious that the members of the AGWCult here are posters not interested in debate or education, but rather are here, paid or not, to endlessly repeat all the enviromarxist talking points.

What do you expect. The OP hasn't got a clue about how important flies are. The thread begins with the stupid suggestion that they are insignificant.

I hope to leave this post of yours as the defining example of your .....cerebration.

Do you really believe land life could exist on planet earth without flies?

 

[PoliticalChic]

It's pretty obvious that the members of the AGWCult here are posters not interested in debate or education, but rather are here, paid or not, to endlessly repeat all the enviromarxist talking points.

What do you expect. The OP hasn't got a clue about how important flies are. The thread begins with the stupid suggestion that they are insignificant.

I hope to leave this post of yours as the defining example of your .....cerebration.

Do you really believe land life could exist on planet earth without flies?

I fully understand what brought you racing to this thread, as incensed as when I reveal the truth about Franklin Roosevelt....


You saw this in the OP:
"Do you think there would there be a universal gnashing of teeth, and wringing of hands, if the fly were to become extinct???"

...and you recognized the same truth applied to you.