NYT: Trump Might Have a Case on Birthright Citizenship

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"Trump Might Have a Case on Birthright Citizenship


On his first day in office, President Trump issued an executive order that purports to end birthright citizenship for certain children. It does so despite Section 1 of the 14th Amendment, which declares, “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.”

The central question raised by Mr. Trump’s order is what it means to be “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States. The answer most legal observers give is that it includes virtually anyone born on American soil, including those whom the order is meant to exclude, namely children born to parents in the country illegally or temporarily. Indeed, on Monday, the American Bar Association described the order as an attack on a “constitutionally protected” right. Federal judges in four states have enjoined the order, with one claiming that it “conflicts with the plain language of the 14th Amendment.”
Not necessarily.

The Supreme Court has held, in the 1898 case United States v. Wong Kim Ark, that children born here to permanent residents are citizens. But it has never squarely held that children born to those illegally present are citizens. When the court addresses that question — which it almost certainly must — it should consider the 14th Amendment’s original purpose and the common-law principle of “jus soli,” or birthright citizenship, which informed the original public meaning of the text. Both relate to the idea of social compact and contradict today’s general assumption that the common-law principle depends solely upon place of birth."




America does not have a continent to tame. Just making it into the US to drop a kid should not allow a foreigner to stay in this country nor make the baby an instant citizen with zero ties to this nation.
 
America does not have a continent to tame. Just making it into the US to drop a kid should not allow a foreigner to stay in this country nor make the baby an instant citizen with zero ties to this nation.
Change the Constitution
 
Children born to those illegally here are not permanent residents. They are subject to removal at any time. Children born to tourists that come here specifically to give birth to American Citizen children are absolutely not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.

It is time to end birthright citizenship.
 
... Just making it into the US to drop a kid should not allow a foreigner to stay in this country nor make the baby an instant citizen with zero ties to this nation.

Women give birth, not "drop a kid." And giving birth in the US does not alter the mother's immigration status.
 
Women give birth, not "drop a kid." And giving birth in the US does not alter the mother's immigration status.

So, an illegal alien mother or mother overstaying a visa gets deported and the American citizen baby goes to an orphanage?
 
So, an illegal alien mother or mother overstaying a visa gets deported and the American citizen baby goes to an orphanage?
Or with a relative (or "relative"). Often when Chinese mothers come here and give birth they just go on home with their baby, who shows up when it's time for high school or college and it's "hey guys, I'm here and I'm a citizen! here's my birth certificate."
 
Or with a relative (or "relative"). Often when Chinese mothers come here and give birth they just go on home with their baby, who shows up when it's time for high school or college and it's "hey guys, I'm here and I'm a citizen! here's my birth certificate."

That racket needs to end.
 
" Fucking Clueless "

* Mentally Retarded Imbeciles *

"Trump Might Have a Case on Birthright Citizenship
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The central question raised by Mr. Trump’s order is what it means to be “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States.
By all means , ignore the term thereof .
 
"Trump Might Have a Case on Birthright Citizenship


On his first day in office, President Trump issued an executive order that purports to end birthright citizenship for certain children. It does so despite Section 1 of the 14th Amendment, which declares, “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.”

The central question raised by Mr. Trump’s order is what it means to be “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States. The answer most legal observers give is that it includes virtually anyone born on American soil, including those whom the order is meant to exclude, namely children born to parents in the country illegally or temporarily. Indeed, on Monday, the American Bar Association described the order as an attack on a “constitutionally protected” right. Federal judges in four states have enjoined the order, with one claiming that it “conflicts with the plain language of the 14th Amendment.”
Not necessarily.

The Supreme Court has held, in the 1898 case United States v. Wong Kim Ark, that children born here to permanent residents are citizens. But it has never squarely held that children born to those illegally present are citizens. When the court addresses that question — which it almost certainly must — it should consider the 14th Amendment’s original purpose and the common-law principle of “jus soli,” or birthright citizenship, which informed the original public meaning of the text. Both relate to the idea of social compact and contradict today’s general assumption that the common-law principle depends solely upon place of birth."




America does not have a continent to tame. Just making it into the US to drop a kid should not allow a foreigner to stay in this country nor make the baby an instant citizen with zero ties to this nation.

You have one more chance if the SCOTUS will hear an appeal.

I don't think it will.
 
Or with a relative (or "relative"). Often when Chinese mothers come here and give birth they just go on home with their baby, who shows up when it's time for high school or college and it's "hey guys, I'm here and I'm a citizen! here's my birth certificate."
The Chinese anchor babies are a sea anchor against instability in China. When the CPC falls and the country devolves into chaos, those children can get their parents into the USA on Expedited visas.
 
The Chinese anchor babies are a sea anchor against instability in China. When the CPC falls and the country devolves into chaos, those children can get their parents into the USA on Expedited visas.
... if they are allowed to go.
 

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