Nazi History And Their Endless Blunders

[Kruska]

I do hope that this tread doesn't get wasted due to inappropriate statements.

Personally I have always been wondering about the Nazi's obsession towards eliminating "Not worth Living" groups, during an ongoing war. Huge precious human and economic resources were sidelined in Human histories greatest war - therefore derisively deterring the war effort.

Was Hitler's goal to simply eliminate all "not worth living" without even having a plan in the drawers? which according to history documentation did not exist before the Wannsee Conference, meeting of Nazi officials on January 20, 1942, at a time when Nazi-Germany's war progress had already come to a halt, if not already being in a retreat.
or
Was Hitler's "goal" to win a war (according to Nazi doctrine "forced by all those others upon the German Nation") - foremost against the Bolsheviks - that he hated so much, whilst expanding Germany's territory in order to provide future "Living Space" for the Germanic people?

If the latter was or should be the case - then why didn't the Nazi's finish the war first - via directing, concentrating all their available human and economic resources onto this objective? Latest in 1939 and get started onto their "extermination mission" e.g. after having brought down the Soviet Union or upon having established the so called Archangel -Astrakhan Line.

 

[themirrorthief]

I do hope that this tread doesn't get wasted due to inappropriate statements.

Personally I have always been wondering about the Nazi's obsession towards eliminating "Not worth Living" groups, during an ongoing war. Huge precious human and economic resources were sidelined in Human histories greatest war - therefore derisively deterring the war effort.

Was Hitler's goal to simply eliminate all "not worth living" without even having a plan in the drawers? which according to history documentation did not exist before the Wannsee Conference, meeting of Nazi officials on January 20, 1942, at a time when Nazi-Germany's war progress had already come to a halt, if not already being in a retreat.
or
Was Hitler's "goal" to win a war (according to Nazi doctrine "forced by all those others upon the German Nation") - foremost against the Bolsheviks - that he hated so much, whilst expanding Germany's territory in order to provide future "Living Space" for the Germanic people?

If the latter was or should be the case - then why didn't the Nazi's finish the war first - via directing, concentrating all their available human and economic resources onto this objective? Latest in 1939 and get started onto their "extermination mission" e.g. after having brought down the Soviet Union or upon having established the so called Archangel -Astrakhan Line.

the Nazis were led by insane men.....trying to figure out their motives is pointless....diseased minds follow no logic whatsoever

 

[Dogmaphobe]

I do hope that this tread doesn't get wasted due to inappropriate statements.

Personally I have always been wondering about the Nazi's obsession towards eliminating "Not worth Living" groups, during an ongoing war. Huge precious human and economic resources were sidelined in Human histories greatest war - therefore derisively deterring the war effort.

Was Hitler's goal to simply eliminate all "not worth living" without even having a plan in the drawers? which according to history documentation did not exist before the Wannsee Conference, meeting of Nazi officials on January 20, 1942, at a time when Nazi-Germany's war progress had already come to a halt, if not already being in a retreat.
or
Was Hitler's "goal" to win a war (according to Nazi doctrine "forced by all those others upon the German Nation") - foremost against the Bolsheviks - that he hated so much, whilst expanding Germany's territory in order to provide future "Living Space" for the Germanic people?

If the latter was or should be the case - then why didn't the Nazi's finish the war first - via directing, concentrating all their available human and economic resources onto this objective? Latest in 1939 and get started onto their "extermination mission" e.g. after having brought down the Soviet Union or upon having established the so called Archangel -Astrakhan Line.

Slow day at Stormfront?

 

[zaangalewa]

The Nazis had been born from World War 1 and died in World War 2. With them died millions of others.

 

[zaangalewa]

... Was Hitler's goal ...

Hitlers goal was Hitler. And he reached this goal. He became the most famous German of all times - although he only had been an idiot.

 

[themirrorthief]

The Nazis had been born from World War 1 and died in World War 2. With them died millions of others.

this helps with global warming...fewer people, little wonder liberals act like nazis

 

[zaangalewa]

this helps with global warming...fewer people, little wonder liberals act like nazis

Nazi - shut up. Learn something before to start to think in categories of absolutelly stupid bullshit. Waste the next year of your life in a liberary and learn, learn, learn, learn ...

 

[DudleySmith]

They needed to remove a big chunk of the local population to make room for German settlers, for one, while still providing for a slave population. Slavs were stupid and would make great cattle and donkeys for German farms of large size. The rest would just be left to themselves until needed for mining, construction, that sort of casual labor. It's worth noting that many of those were glad the Germans drove the Russians out.

 

[DudleySmith]

his helps with global warming...fewer people, little wonder liberals act like nazis

Yes. LEft wing agendas rely on mass murders as solutions to both social and economic problems, same as with Nazis. For the average people they are distinctions without a difference when it comes to their fates.

 

[themirrorthief]

Nazi - shut up. Learn something before to start to think in categories of absolutelly stupid bullshit. Waste the next year of your life in a liberary and learn, learn, learn, learn ...

panties in a wad dear....try losing weight

 

[Kruska]

the Nazis were led by insane men.....trying to figure out their motives is pointless....diseased minds follow no logic whatsoever

I don't see a valid reason to term Hitler and his immediate power-circle to be classified as insane people, especially not before 1941.

The Nazi's were actually very successful in their plans - especially towards Germany itsself (which wouldn't have been possible for "insane" people to achieve) - and the downfall of France made Hitler more popular in Germany then he was ever before.

Hitler, the Nazi's and his immediate circle shared the "vision"/"goal" - in regards to exterminating all no worth living in order to establish a pure Aryan race.
This 'vision" is determined by others to be insane - but it wasn't to Hitler, his Nazi supporters nor the majority of Germans - who didn't even realize as to what the Nazi's were really up to and to what extend they would go.

From 1933 - 1938 the vast majority of Jews were physically untouched, also keep in mind that there were only around 500,000 Jews living at the time in Germany.- disliked yes, due to mostly endless state propaganda from 1933 onward. And the initial racial propaganda in regards to Jews - was accepted by the majority of Germans from 1938 onward.

The Majority of Germans had no objection towards communists/socialists/homosexuals - taken off the street and placed into "Prison Camps" quite the opposite actually. Only when the euthanasia concept came up, the majority of Germans - mostly due to their Christian beliefs and the Church opposing it, the Nazi's even stopped it for the time being.

The Germans in absolute majority were not aware about Hitlers intention towards the Slavic population of the Soviet-Union - hey Hitler and Stalin had even become brothers in arms. And for the Germans the Jew issue wasn't a predominant issue at all. - if they pack their belongings and leave - why not? - let the other countries take them.

The mass killings got started from September 1941 onward in Russia - predominantly towards Slavs (around 12million in total) - due to the progressing war around 4 million murdered Soviet POW's as such totaling around 16 million Slavs and around 4-5 million Jews in the Soviet-Union. The Jews in Poland were placed into ghettos and not mass murdered before 1942.

Sorry but your statement does not provide a reasonable explanation towards my questions. But I can acknowledge your statement as such.

 

[zaangalewa]

panties in a wad dear....try losing weight

I'm not able to translate this nonsense into my own German language - but sounds like typical Nazi nonsense.

 

[Kruska]

Slow day at Stormfront?

Sorry but your statement does not provide a reasonable explanation towards my questions.

 

[Kruska]

Nazi - shut up. Learn something before to start to think in categories of absolutelly stupid bullshit. Waste the next year of your life in a liberary and learn, learn, learn, learn ...

Sorry but your statement does not provide a reasonable explanation towards my questions.

 

[Kruska]

this helps with global warming...fewer people, little wonder liberals act like nazis

Sorry but your statement does not provide a reasonable explanation towards my questions.

 

[zaangalewa]

I don't see a valid reason to term Hitler and his immediate power-circle to be classified as insane people, especially not before 1941.

The Nazi's were actually very successful in their plans - especially towards Germany itsself (which wouldn't have been possible for "insane" people to achieve) - and the downfall of France made Hitler more popular in Germany then he was ever before.

Hitler, the Nazi's and his immediate circle shared the "vision"/"goal" - in regards to exterminating all no worth living in order to establish a pure Aryan race.

This whole "Aryan" nonsensen weas by the way an "English" idea withotu any big relevance in the German culture. Hitler needed it to separate Germans into real existing German Jews and unreal exiting Geman Aryans. I call this system "racism with markers" because indeed existed not any "racist" difference between Germans and Jews.

This 'vision" is determined by others to be insane - but it wasn't to Hitler,

Are you sure?

From 1933 - 1938 the vast majority of Jews were physically untouched, also keep in mind that there were only around 500,000 Jews living at

Relation 1:200. 1 German Jew per 200 other Germans. Abnd this people lived fin very little groups all over Germany.

- disliked yes, due to mostly endless state propaganda from 1933 onward. And the initial racial propaganda in regards to Jews - was accepted by the majority of Germans from 1938 onward.

In 1938 started world war 2. A question like "to accept" is no question in times of war.

The Majority of Germans had no objection towards communists/socialists/homosexuals - taken off the street and placed into "Prison Camps" quite the opposite actually.

Right and wrong the same time. "Homosexuals" -whether they really had been homosexuals or not- had only seen to be a danger if they opposed the Nazis - and many "reds" became "brown" under the Nazis and "red" again under the Soviets.

Only when the euthanasia concept came up, the majority of Germans - mostly due to their Christian beliefs and the Church opposing it, the Nazi's even stopped it for the time being.

The Germans in absolute majority were not aware about Hitlers intention towards the Slavic population

Sorry - but Slaws had been Aryans in the definition of the Nazis. Hitler was in war with Stalin.

of the Soviet-Union - hey Hitler and Stalin had even become brothers in arms.

Not really. I guess Hitler needed the Molotow-Ribbentrob-pact to eliminate Poland and to get a common border with the Soviet Union. Stalin had been indeed surprised when Hitler attacked him.

And for the Germans the Jew issue wasn't a predominant issue at all. - if they pack their belongings and leave - why not? - let the other countries take them.

The mass killings got started from September 1941 onward in Russia - predominantly towards Slavs (around 12million in total) -

You underestimate the will of the Nazis to wipe out every single genetic information about Jews on reason of Darwinism. If they had won today nobody would know any longer that Jews ever had existed in history. And you underestimate also the propagada and deeds of Stalin who murdered on his own millions of Slaws.

due to the progressing war around 4 million murdered Soviet POW's

2 million

as such totaling around 16 million Slavs

Totally unreal number

and around 4-5 million Jews in the Soviet-Union.

In total 6 millions Jews. I do not know how many of them had been murdered from Slaws. In the SS for example had been about 1/3 not-Germans in 1942.

The Jews in Poland were placed into ghettos and not mass murdered before 1942.

The "ghetto" in Warsaw was a concentration camp which had been created from the Nazis.

Sorry but your statement does not provide a reasonable explanation towards my questions.

Which question?

But I can acknowledge your statement as such.

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[Kruska]

Which question?

Most of your comments are either wrong - e.g the war did not start in 1938 as you wrote, Slavs being considered Aryans, why do you think Hiler murdered around 1.5 million Polish people, (because Polish people are Slavic Aryans?) 16 million murdered Slavs is an internationally recognized figure, or your statements are besides the point in regards to the questions.

As for the questions.
(1) Was Hitler's goal to simply eliminate all "not worth living" without even having a plan in the drawers? which according to history documentation did not exist before the Wannsee Conference, meeting of Nazi officials on January 20, 1942, at a time when Nazi-Germany's war progress had already come to a halt, if not already being in a retreat.
or
(2) Was Hitler's "goal" to win a war (according to Nazi doctrine "forced by all those others upon the German Nation") - foremost against the Bolsheviks - that he hated so much, whilst expanding Germany's territory in order to provide future "Living Space" for the Germanic people?

 

[zaangalewa]

Most of your comments are either wrong ...

Bye bye, Russian.

 

[zaangalewa]

... war did not start in 1938 as you wrote ...

1939

 

[zaangalewa]

Slavs being considered Aryans

Ariernachweis:

... while for example a Brit, French, Italian, Czech or Pole ... must be considered Aryan.

If you don't know: Czechs and Poles are Slaws. The Nazis for example increased the number of Germans in Poland statistically by giving Poles the German citizenship.