Liberal Education System May Be At Fault In Cop Shootings

[protectionist]

News reports on the shooting of Justine Damond by police officer Mohammed Noor, have lots of people baffled. They can’t seem to figure out why the cop would shoot this nice, law-abiding lady.

I think I may have the reason. News reports with a re-creation, show the woman walking toward the police car with her hands down at her sides. It shows her hands below the level of the top of the car’s door, and thus, out of the line of sight of the 2 officers. The cop, fearing for his life, has to think if the approaching stranger were to suddenly show a gun and fire, it would take a split second for that to occur (not enough time to react defensively). For Officer Noor to not shoot, would in essence, be gambling with his life.

So is there any blame in this ? Yes. I think there might be. It might be “our” educational system (or Australia), which is dominated by liberals, who simply don’t know much about police, guns, or criminal law. I went through 17 years of formal education in public schools. Not one minute of it, taught me anything about how to interact with police. Nothing about guns. Zero about criminal law.

I asked my sister (a public school teacher) >> “What is the most important thing to do when confronted by a cop ?” She asked 7 of her fellow teachers. I heard answers like >> “Be polite”….Follow instructions”…etc. While these may be important, they are not the MOST important. None of these 8 was able to come up with the right answer, which is >> Always have the cop able to see your hands.

If you allow your hands to disappear from the cops view, you could be (and probably will be) shot.

If all these teachers didn’t know this, then obviously their students wouldn’t come to know it either

 

[protectionist]

When I heard the cop's name, I immediately thought "Oh no - not another Muslim jihadist shooting somebody." Well, nobody in this forum has been tougher on Islam than I have. But this is simply a different scenario.

Ignorant and negligent educators may be at fault here. They need to shore up their lesson plans. They have created a law-enforcement, ignorant population.

 

[SavannahMann]

Absolute Garbage.

There is no excuse for the cop. Blaming this on "liberals" is worse than untrue. It is a flat out lie. In th old west, when they would build the gallows before the trial, shooting an unarmed man, or woman, was murder. Even the sheriff could not do it.

Yet now, it's the fault of the education system that our police are so out of control that if any approach you or vice versa you are supposed to throw yourself at the wall and assume the position.

Fuck that. That is absolute garbage. Blaming the victims for the actions of the monsters is propaganda at its worse. It is what the morons tell the victims of domestic violence. Well he wouldn't hit you if you just did what he told you to. It's your own fault.

Bullshit. Wyatt Earp was put on trial for shooting men with guns under the argument that he instigated the shootout. So don't give me this it's the fault of the Liberals bullshit.

The cops have been getting away with murder for a long time, and it's the fault of people like you who make excuses for the intolerable. He was afeared for his life, bullshit. If he was that cowardly then he should have taken a job as a florist.

 

[protectionist]

Absolute Garbage.

There is no excuse for the cop. Blaming this on "liberals" is worse than untrue. It is a flat out lie. In th old west, when they would build the gallows before the trial, shooting an unarmed man, or woman, was murder. Even the sheriff could not do it.

Yet now, it's the fault of the education system that our police are so out of control that if any approach you or vice versa you are supposed to throw yourself at the wall and assume the position.

Fuck that. That is absolute garbage. Blaming the victims for the actions of the monsters is propaganda at its worse. It is what the morons tell the victims of domestic violence. Well he wouldn't hit you if you just did what he told you to. It's your own fault.

Bullshit. Wyatt Earp was put on trial for shooting men with guns under the argument that he instigated the shootout. So don't give me this it's the fault of the Liberals bullshit.

The cops have been getting away with murder for a long time, and it's the fault of people like you who make excuses for the intolerable. He was afeared for his life, bullshit. If he was that cowardly then he should have taken a job as a florist.

1. There is no such thing as an "unarmed man"

No Such Thing As An “UNARMED MAN”

2. The police are only out of control in the minds of those dumb enough to fall for the Obama/Sharpton/Jackson race hustlers anti-police campaign.

3. All cops are faced with death from attackers (especially after 8 years of Obama's hate police campaign. They must see your hands or else they are gambling with their lives. Only an idiot is incapable of knowing this. Thsoe who deny it, in most cases, aren't idiots. They are CRIMINALS who hate police, because the police keep them from committing their crimes and put them in jail, where they belong.

4. So how long is YOUR rap sheet ?

 

[SavannahMann]

Absolute Garbage.

There is no excuse for the cop. Blaming this on "liberals" is worse than untrue. It is a flat out lie. In th old west, when they would build the gallows before the trial, shooting an unarmed man, or woman, was murder. Even the sheriff could not do it.

Yet now, it's the fault of the education system that our police are so out of control that if any approach you or vice versa you are supposed to throw yourself at the wall and assume the position.

Fuck that. That is absolute garbage. Blaming the victims for the actions of the monsters is propaganda at its worse. It is what the morons tell the victims of domestic violence. Well he wouldn't hit you if you just did what he told you to. It's your own fault.

Bullshit. Wyatt Earp was put on trial for shooting men with guns under the argument that he instigated the shootout. So don't give me this it's the fault of the Liberals bullshit.

The cops have been getting away with murder for a long time, and it's the fault of people like you who make excuses for the intolerable. He was afeared for his life, bullshit. If he was that cowardly then he should have taken a job as a florist.

1. There is no such thing as an "unarmed man"

No Such Thing As An “UNARMED MAN”

2. The police are only out of control in the minds of those dumb enough to fall for the Obama/Sharpton/Jackson race hustlers anti-police campaign.

3. All cops are faced with death from attackers (especially after 8 years of Obama's hate police campaign. They must see your hands or else they are gambling with their lives. Only an idiot is incapable of knowing this. Thsoe who deny it, in most cases, aren't idiots. They are CRIMINALS who hate police, because the police keep them from committing their crimes and put them in jail, where they belong.

4. So how long is YOUR rap sheet ?

First, linking to your own asinine argument about unarmed men, with zero references to back it up other than your convoluted arguments, is proof based upon your own theory. That is like saying if I can't see the other side of the planet, it can't exist, because I can't see it. The proof is your own insane theory, and that isn't proof.

2)The Police are out of control. A study showed that twenty percent of cases involved cops lying. This was a study where they asked lawyers and judges what they thought was going on. These are people who are in the courts every day, and have solid basis for their opinion. Police perjury: It's called 'testilying'

3) The are fewer cops dying today than there were under Reagan. There are fewer cops dying today than there were under Bush even if you take 9-11 out of the mix. So blaming a Democrat for a non existent rise in mortality is a lie that is easy to prove.

In The Post-Ferguson World, Cops Are Now Victims And It's The Public That's Going To Pay The Price

Police Officers Factsheet

Perhaps if you had studied in that aforementioned Liberal Education System you would learn what the statistics are and how to use them.

4) In a move that is normal, and no surprise to anyone. The idea that if you don't support the police you must be a criminal. Well, with more than thirty years of driving, I have fewer than five traffic citations. No arrests, trials, or convictions for Misdemeanors. No arrests, trials, or convictions for Felonies.

So by posting to links to prove my assertions, it shows that my opinion is based upon fact. Your opinion, linked to your own convoluted logic, is based upon wishful thinking.

 

[protectionist]

First, linking to your own asinine argument about unarmed men, with zero references to back it up other than your convoluted arguments, is proof based upon your own theory. That is like saying if I can't see the other side of the planet, it can't exist, because I can't see it. The proof is your own insane theory, and that isn't proof.

2)The Police are out of control. A study showed that twenty percent of cases involved cops lying. This was a study where they asked lawyers and judges what they thought was going on. These are people who are in the courts every day, and have solid basis for their opinion. Police perjury: It's called 'testilying'

3) The are fewer cops dying today than there were under Reagan. There are fewer cops dying today than there were under Bush even if you take 9-11 out of the mix. So blaming a Democrat for a non existent rise in mortality is a lie that is easy to prove.

In The Post-Ferguson World, Cops Are Now Victims And It's The Public That's Going To Pay The Price

View attachment 139559

Police Officers Factsheet

Perhaps if you had studied in that aforementioned Liberal Education System you would learn what the statistics are and how to use them.

4) In a move that is normal, and no surprise to anyone. The idea that if you don't support the police you must be a criminal. Well, with more than thirty years of driving, I have fewer than five traffic citations. No arrests, trials, or convictions for Misdemeanors. No arrests, trials, or convictions for Felonies.

So by posting to links to prove my assertions, it shows that my opinion is based upon fact. Your opinion, linked to your own convoluted logic, is based upon wishful thinking.

I know you think you've posted something majestic here, but all you've really done is illustrate that you are deep in the liberal MISeducation system, which promotes statistics (from liberal sources) and "links" to studies (from liberal sources) and then laughably expects us all to be required to accept this poppycock.

You seem to be completely unaware (which is predictable) of the conservative perspective of what constitutes "proof" and "evidence". This could be studies, if they are done politically unbiased, but it often takes in just ordinary common sense and observation as well, which liberals have a noticeable disdain for.

Example: in all your illustrious liberal studies, from your illustrious liberal universities, professors, think tanks, MSM, et. can you find one that shows evidence that fish can swim ? We will wait to see your result of this challenge.

In the meantime, here's my conservative methodology to it. >> I look in the water and I see them swimming.

And while you disparage my way of stating things as I see them, you then expect me to accept your alleged good record of being on the good side of the law, without a shred of what you define as "proof" (that I can see)

PS - by calling my postings "assinine" you have committed a FELONY, here in the state of Florida (Florida Statute 825.102). Looks like your clean record just got dirty. Also looks like your liberal university boys missed educating you on this. Well, as I said in the OP, they don't know criminal law. and you just confirmed it. If you live in Florida, or ever think of visiting here, you might do well to read up on the Florida statutes. I wouldn't depend on the liberal university system for that.

Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine

 

[SavannahMann]

First, linking to your own asinine argument about unarmed men, with zero references to back it up other than your convoluted arguments, is proof based upon your own theory. That is like saying if I can't see the other side of the planet, it can't exist, because I can't see it. The proof is your own insane theory, and that isn't proof.

2)The Police are out of control. A study showed that twenty percent of cases involved cops lying. This was a study where they asked lawyers and judges what they thought was going on. These are people who are in the courts every day, and have solid basis for their opinion. Police perjury: It's called 'testilying'

3) The are fewer cops dying today than there were under Reagan. There are fewer cops dying today than there were under Bush even if you take 9-11 out of the mix. So blaming a Democrat for a non existent rise in mortality is a lie that is easy to prove.

In The Post-Ferguson World, Cops Are Now Victims And It's The Public That's Going To Pay The Price

View attachment 139559

Police Officers Factsheet

Perhaps if you had studied in that aforementioned Liberal Education System you would learn what the statistics are and how to use them.

4) In a move that is normal, and no surprise to anyone. The idea that if you don't support the police you must be a criminal. Well, with more than thirty years of driving, I have fewer than five traffic citations. No arrests, trials, or convictions for Misdemeanors. No arrests, trials, or convictions for Felonies.

So by posting to links to prove my assertions, it shows that my opinion is based upon fact. Your opinion, linked to your own convoluted logic, is based upon wishful thinking.

I know you think you've posted something majestic here, but all you've really done is illustrate that you are deep in the liberal MISeducation system, which promotes statistics (from liberal sources) and "links" to studies (from liberal sources) and then laughably expects us all to be required to accept this poppycock.

You seem to be completely unaware (which is predictable) of the conservative perspective of what constitutes "proof" and "evidence". This could be studies, if they are done politically unbiased, but it often takes in just ordinary common sense and observation as well, which liberals have a noticeable disdain for.

Example: in all your illustrious liberal studies, from your illustrious liberal universities, professors, think tanks, MSM, et. can you find one that shows evidence that fish can swim ? We will wait to see your result of this challenge.

In the meantime, here's my conservative methodology to it. >> I look in the water and I see them swimming.

And while you disparage my way of stating things as I see them, you then expect me to accept your alleged good record of being on the good side of the law, without a shred of what you define as "proof" (that I can see)

PS - by calling my postings "assinine" you have committed a FELONY, here in the state of Florida (Florida Statute 825.102). Looks like your clean record just got dirty. Also looks like your liberal university boys missed educating you on this. Well, as I said in the OP, they don't know criminal law. and you just confirmed it. If you live in Florida, or ever think of visiting here, you might do well to read up on the Florida statutes. I wouldn't depend on the liberal university system for that.

Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine

Yeah. OK. Let's play. Back in the old days, Geography used to be taught. Those classes were mandatory. If you had studied Geography, you might know that Savannah, is in Georgia. Now, you can file a complaint that I picked on you and made you feel bad, but since I am not in Florida, that might not go anywhere.

The fact that I called your logic asinine somehow made you feel bad, or could be according to the statute, be reasonably expected to cause psychological harm, is laughable.

Give it time, I'm sure you'll feel insulted some more.

On Fish Swimming. Modeling a swimming fish with an initial boundary value problem: Unsteady maneuvers of an elastic plate with internal force generation - ScienceDirect

The science of it is actually rather impressive. The hydrodynamic forces are similar to the forces experienced by cars, and airplanes. So the science of hydrodynamic forces as learned in studies of fish, has in fact improved the world by increasing the efficiency of aerodynamic vehicles. You know, cars that move through the air more efficiently. Airplanes that move through the air faster, and more efficiently.

I'm guessing that they did not cover this kind of science, and your observation of fish swimming did not tell you that learning one would improve the other. The cars you see on the road are designed to be aerodynamically efficient. This way they can go farther on a gallon of gas, and go faster.

Statistics and study and science are valuable beyond measure. You may see fish swim, but seeing a tree does not tell us anything besides it grows. It takes intellect, and study, to understand so much more. For example, from Junior High Science classes. Plants have essentially the same cellular structure as animals. The plant has a thing called a cell wall, this cell wall is what makes plants so hard, and resistant to damage. We humans, being animals, do not have a cell wall, which is why the bullets from police pierce us so dramatically. The bullet that might only penetrate the tree to an inch or two, penetrates a dozen inches into us soft and squishy humans. Then again, if we had a cell wall, we could not move around, and avoid delicate flowers who are easily offended in Florida.

By studying science, and learning about things like plants, and animals, we learn that humans are omnivores. This means we eat plants, and animals. Unlike carnivores, we can eat plants, unlike herbivores, we don't do well eating just plants.

Now, we talked about the lessons we've learned about how cars and airplanes are more aerodynamic because of the study of fish, but guess what we can also learn? We can study accidents and learn what caused them, and perhaps learn how to avoid them again. Intellect is a wonderful thing. If we used your approach, we would confirm that the pile of metal in the ground burned and melted was once a plane, perhaps. We could confirm that it fell from the sky, if someone saw it. But that would be as far as we could go just looking.

We could not figure out why it fell to the ground. We would dismiss it as an Act of God. I don't think its fair to blame God, but perhaps you do.

We can see a fish swim. But if you want to know how, and what forces are going on, you better get some of that education you feel is wasted. Otherwise the earth is flat, Dragons be at the edge of the horizon, and disease is something that cats spread.

 

[protectionist]

Yeah. OK. Let's play. Back in the old days, Geography used to be taught. Those classes were mandatory. If you had studied Geography, you might know that Savannah, is in Georgia. Now, you can file a complaint that I picked on you and made you feel bad, but since I am not in Florida, that might not go anywhere.

The fact that I called your logic asinine somehow made you feel bad, or could be according to the statute, be reasonably expected to cause psychological harm, is laughable.

Give it time, I'm sure you'll feel insulted some more.

On Fish Swimming. Modeling a swimming fish with an initial boundary value problem: Unsteady maneuvers of an elastic plate with internal force generation - ScienceDirect

The science of it is actually rather impressive. The hydrodynamic forces are similar to the forces experienced by cars, and airplanes. So the science of hydrodynamic forces as learned in studies of fish, has in fact improved the world by increasing the efficiency of aerodynamic vehicles. You know, cars that move through the air more efficiently. Airplanes that move through the air faster, and more efficiently.

I'm guessing that they did not cover this kind of science, and your observation of fish swimming did not tell you that learning one would improve the other. The cars you see on the road are designed to be aerodynamically efficient. This way they can go farther on a gallon of gas, and go faster.

Statistics and study and science are valuable beyond measure. You may see fish swim, but seeing a tree does not tell us anything besides it grows. It takes intellect, and study, to understand so much more. For example, from Junior High Science classes. Plants have essentially the same cellular structure as animals. The plant has a thing called a cell wall, this cell wall is what makes plants so hard, and resistant to damage. We humans, being animals, do not have a cell wall, which is why the bullets from police pierce us so dramatically. The bullet that might only penetrate the tree to an inch or two, penetrates a dozen inches into us soft and squishy humans. Then again, if we had a cell wall, we could not move around, and avoid delicate flowers who are easily offended in Florida.

By studying science, and learning about things like plants, and animals, we learn that humans are omnivores. This means we eat plants, and animals. Unlike carnivores, we can eat plants, unlike herbivores, we don't do well eating just plants.

Now, we talked about the lessons we've learned about how cars and airplanes are more aerodynamic because of the study of fish, but guess what we can also learn? We can study accidents and learn what caused them, and perhaps learn how to avoid them again. Intellect is a wonderful thing. If we used your approach, we would confirm that the pile of metal in the ground burned and melted was once a plane, perhaps. We could confirm that it fell from the sky, if someone saw it. But that would be as far as we could go just looking.

We could not figure out why it fell to the ground. We would dismiss it as an Act of God. I don't think its fair to blame God, but perhaps you do.

We can see a fish swim. But if you want to know how, and what forces are going on, you better get some of that education you feel is wasted. Otherwise the earth is flat, Dragons be at the edge of the horizon, and disease is something that cats spread.

1. With regard to this >> "The fact that I called your logic asinine somehow made you feel bad, or could be according to the statute, be reasonably expected to cause psychological harm, is laughable."....Hundreds of convicts are serving time in Florida state prisons (5 years each), for violation of FL statute 825.102 (did you read it ?), and I doubt that they are laughing about it.

2. With regard to your DODGE about fish swimming, nice try. However, there is no "But" here. We SEE fish swimming by looking at them in the water doing it. THAT proves it, not some absurd scientific study blabbermouthing, or diverging away from the point, and showing off that you studied high school biology.

3. Another unecessary "but". "how, and what forces are going on" wasn't the question, Mr Dodge. And I didn't say education is wasted, I merely indicated that some of it (in the social studies vein) is distorted by biased liberals.

PS - cats CAN and sometimes DO spread some diseases to other cats and even to humans, including 2 that have can potentially serious/fatal consequences to normally healthy people >> toxoplasmosis and rabies.

 

[SavannahMann]

Yeah. OK. Let's play. Back in the old days, Geography used to be taught. Those classes were mandatory. If you had studied Geography, you might know that Savannah, is in Georgia. Now, you can file a complaint that I picked on you and made you feel bad, but since I am not in Florida, that might not go anywhere.

The fact that I called your logic asinine somehow made you feel bad, or could be according to the statute, be reasonably expected to cause psychological harm, is laughable.

Give it time, I'm sure you'll feel insulted some more.

On Fish Swimming. Modeling a swimming fish with an initial boundary value problem: Unsteady maneuvers of an elastic plate with internal force generation - ScienceDirect

The science of it is actually rather impressive. The hydrodynamic forces are similar to the forces experienced by cars, and airplanes. So the science of hydrodynamic forces as learned in studies of fish, has in fact improved the world by increasing the efficiency of aerodynamic vehicles. You know, cars that move through the air more efficiently. Airplanes that move through the air faster, and more efficiently.

I'm guessing that they did not cover this kind of science, and your observation of fish swimming did not tell you that learning one would improve the other. The cars you see on the road are designed to be aerodynamically efficient. This way they can go farther on a gallon of gas, and go faster.

Statistics and study and science are valuable beyond measure. You may see fish swim, but seeing a tree does not tell us anything besides it grows. It takes intellect, and study, to understand so much more. For example, from Junior High Science classes. Plants have essentially the same cellular structure as animals. The plant has a thing called a cell wall, this cell wall is what makes plants so hard, and resistant to damage. We humans, being animals, do not have a cell wall, which is why the bullets from police pierce us so dramatically. The bullet that might only penetrate the tree to an inch or two, penetrates a dozen inches into us soft and squishy humans. Then again, if we had a cell wall, we could not move around, and avoid delicate flowers who are easily offended in Florida.

By studying science, and learning about things like plants, and animals, we learn that humans are omnivores. This means we eat plants, and animals. Unlike carnivores, we can eat plants, unlike herbivores, we don't do well eating just plants.

Now, we talked about the lessons we've learned about how cars and airplanes are more aerodynamic because of the study of fish, but guess what we can also learn? We can study accidents and learn what caused them, and perhaps learn how to avoid them again. Intellect is a wonderful thing. If we used your approach, we would confirm that the pile of metal in the ground burned and melted was once a plane, perhaps. We could confirm that it fell from the sky, if someone saw it. But that would be as far as we could go just looking.

We could not figure out why it fell to the ground. We would dismiss it as an Act of God. I don't think its fair to blame God, but perhaps you do.

We can see a fish swim. But if you want to know how, and what forces are going on, you better get some of that education you feel is wasted. Otherwise the earth is flat, Dragons be at the edge of the horizon, and disease is something that cats spread.

1. With regard to this >> "The fact that I called your logic asinine somehow made you feel bad, or could be according to the statute, be reasonably expected to cause psychological harm, is laughable."....Hundreds of convicts are serving time in Florida state prisons (5 years each), for violation of FL statute 825.102 (did you read it ?), and I doubt that they are laughing about it.

2. With regard to your DODGE about fish swimming, nice try. However, there is no "But" here. We SEE fish swimming by looking at them in the water doing it. THAT proves it, not some absurd scientific study blabbermouthing, or diverging away from the point, and showing off that you studied high school biology.

3. Another unecessary "but". "how, and what forces are going on" wasn't the question, Mr Dodge. And I didn't say education is wasted, I merely indicated that some of it (in the social studies vein) is distorted by biased liberals.

PS - cats CAN and sometimes DO spread some diseases to other cats and even to humans, including 2 that have can potentially serious/fatal consequences to normally healthy people >> toxoplasmosis and rabies.

Pfui. Nobody is doing time for saying an argument is asinine. Well not in Florida. In North Korea perhaps, or China. But not Florida.

Secondly I already proved what is most responsible. War on Police rhetoric is most responsible for Justine Damond.

So I believe that covers everything. Buh bye now.

 

[protectionist]

Pfui. Nobody is doing time for saying an argument is asinine. Well not in Florida. In North Korea perhaps, or China. But not Florida.

Secondly I already proved what is most responsible. War on Police rhetoric is most responsible for Justine Damond.

So I believe that covers everything. Buh bye now.

You are simply wrong. As I said, hundreds of people are serving time in Florida prisons for violation of Florida statute 825.102. “Abuse” under § 825.102: (a) Intentional infliction of physical or psychological injury upon an elderly person or disabled adult; (b) An intentional act that could reasonably be expected to result in physical or psychological injury to an elderly person or disabled adult;

Why do you think the Florida legislators passed such a law ? (and the governor signed it) For their health ? This time, try reading the link.

Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine

As for YOUR link. Yes, I would agree that War on Police rhetoric is most responsible for Justine Damond. And all the anti-police rhetoric spewed by Obama, Sharpton, Jackson, and all the other race hustlers, have gotten deranged cop-haters to shoot cops, and making cops justifiably very wary. But actually, even without the increased tension, it has always been the case that, as I said in the OP, cops MUST SEE YOUR HANDS, otherwise they are in danger, and that puts you in danger (understandably)

This is why cops are being shot at a much higher rate than previously. Here's a link to it (from a liberal source)

Number of police officers shot, killed on the job rose sharply in 2016