P F Tinmore
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Asshole judge would not allow her do defend herself.
Justice denied
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emilynghiem
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About the Case | Justice For Rasmea!
I found this online that explains the key issue and unresolved conflict in her case:
"The prosecution of a hero
In the early morning of Tuesday, October 22, 2013, then sixty-six year old Rasmea Odeh was arrested at her home by agents from the Department of Homeland Security. She was indicted in federal court, charged with Unlawful Procurement of Naturalization, an allegation based on answers she gave on a 20-year-old immigration application. Rasmea, her supporters, and her legal team say that the immigration charge was nothing but a pretext to attack this icon of the Palestine liberation movement.
The government claims that Rasmea failed to disclose that she was convicted by the Israelis of participating in bombings in 1969. This conviction in a military court was the result of a false confession made after she was viciously tortured and raped by Israeli military authorities for weeks. There is no due process in Israeli military courts, which “convict” over 99% of Palestinians who come before them, and “evidence” from these should not be accepted in a court in the U.S.
Despite this, Rasmea’s case on immigration charges went to trial in Detroit in November 2014.
There, Federal Judge Gershwin Drain allowed the Israeli military court conviction to be entered into evidence, but barred testimony about her torture at the hands of her Israeli captors. That ruling eliminated the testimony of expert witness Dr. Mary Fabri, a clinical psychologist who has decades of experience working with torture survivors. Fabri was prepared to testify that the allegedly false answers on the immigration forms were the result of Rasmea’s chronic Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD).
Rasmea never set out to hide her past. She had testified about her torture at the United Nations when she was released in 1979. As her lead attorney, Michael Deutsch, said, “It was well known that she was convicted, and traded [in a prisoner exchange]. The U.S. Embassy knew it, the State Department knew it, and Immigration should have known it.”
I found this online that explains the key issue and unresolved conflict in her case:
"The prosecution of a hero
In the early morning of Tuesday, October 22, 2013, then sixty-six year old Rasmea Odeh was arrested at her home by agents from the Department of Homeland Security. She was indicted in federal court, charged with Unlawful Procurement of Naturalization, an allegation based on answers she gave on a 20-year-old immigration application. Rasmea, her supporters, and her legal team say that the immigration charge was nothing but a pretext to attack this icon of the Palestine liberation movement.
The government claims that Rasmea failed to disclose that she was convicted by the Israelis of participating in bombings in 1969. This conviction in a military court was the result of a false confession made after she was viciously tortured and raped by Israeli military authorities for weeks. There is no due process in Israeli military courts, which “convict” over 99% of Palestinians who come before them, and “evidence” from these should not be accepted in a court in the U.S.
Despite this, Rasmea’s case on immigration charges went to trial in Detroit in November 2014.
There, Federal Judge Gershwin Drain allowed the Israeli military court conviction to be entered into evidence, but barred testimony about her torture at the hands of her Israeli captors. That ruling eliminated the testimony of expert witness Dr. Mary Fabri, a clinical psychologist who has decades of experience working with torture survivors. Fabri was prepared to testify that the allegedly false answers on the immigration forms were the result of Rasmea’s chronic Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD).
Rasmea never set out to hide her past. She had testified about her torture at the United Nations when she was released in 1979. As her lead attorney, Michael Deutsch, said, “It was well known that she was convicted, and traded [in a prisoner exchange]. The U.S. Embassy knew it, the State Department knew it, and Immigration should have known it.”
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Infidel justice served.
Jacobson: Rasmea Odeh is no victim
The demonstrable facts show that:
â– Prior to her arrest in Israel, Odeh was a military participant in and organizer for the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine.
â– Odeh confessed in a highly detailed account just one day after arrest. The timetable of her confession is inconsistent with the multi-week torture narrative. Other co-conspirators also quickly confessed; one of whom directly implicated Odeh as the mastermind in a 2004 film documentary.
â– After arrest Odeh was allowed to and did defend herself in the Israeli military court, where she was represented by counsel. Israel called witnesses to rebut the torture allegations.
■An observer from the International Red Cross was present for the entire six-month Israeli trial, and stated afterward that the Israeli military court "had given the accused every chance of defending themselves, and the trial was – in his opinion – a fair trial."
â– Other evidence of Odeh's guilt in the bombing was overwhelming, such as bomb-making material found in her bedroom and home.
â– Odeh herself admitted her involvement in the attempted British Consulate bombing in an interview years later after release from Israeli prison, as did her main co-conspirator.
The only victims in the Rasmea Odeh story are the two Hebrew University students killed in the 1969 supermarket bombing.
Odeh is no victim, just a terrorist bomber rightly convicted in Israel, who then lied on her visa and naturalization applications to the U.S. and was rightly convicted a second time in federal court in Detroit.
William A. Jacobson is a clinical professor of law at Cornell Law School, and publisher of Legal Insurrection Blog.
Jacobson: Rasmea Odeh is no victim
The demonstrable facts show that:
â– Prior to her arrest in Israel, Odeh was a military participant in and organizer for the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine.
â– Odeh confessed in a highly detailed account just one day after arrest. The timetable of her confession is inconsistent with the multi-week torture narrative. Other co-conspirators also quickly confessed; one of whom directly implicated Odeh as the mastermind in a 2004 film documentary.
â– After arrest Odeh was allowed to and did defend herself in the Israeli military court, where she was represented by counsel. Israel called witnesses to rebut the torture allegations.
■An observer from the International Red Cross was present for the entire six-month Israeli trial, and stated afterward that the Israeli military court "had given the accused every chance of defending themselves, and the trial was – in his opinion – a fair trial."
â– Other evidence of Odeh's guilt in the bombing was overwhelming, such as bomb-making material found in her bedroom and home.
â– Odeh herself admitted her involvement in the attempted British Consulate bombing in an interview years later after release from Israeli prison, as did her main co-conspirator.
The only victims in the Rasmea Odeh story are the two Hebrew University students killed in the 1969 supermarket bombing.
Odeh is no victim, just a terrorist bomber rightly convicted in Israel, who then lied on her visa and naturalization applications to the U.S. and was rightly convicted a second time in federal court in Detroit.
William A. Jacobson is a clinical professor of law at Cornell Law School, and publisher of Legal Insurrection Blog.
waltky
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Granny says, "Dat's right...
... sounds like she been up to no-good."
... sounds like she been up to no-good."
Sounds like she lied on her application and now its coming back to haunt her.
I got about one minute into that propaganda piece and heard so many unsubstantiated claims I simply couldn't go on.
In my humble opinion the convicted terrorist should be deported to I don't care where.
I got about one minute into that propaganda piece and heard so many unsubstantiated claims I simply couldn't go on.
In my humble opinion the convicted terrorist should be deported to I don't care where.
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Wait, wait, hold on.. what was the question on the immigration application? Was it "Have you ever been convicted or imprisoned of a crime in any country ever? -- please answer "no" if you have been convicted and imprisoned but you feel that you were actually innocent".
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