James Madison thought we should live by the ten commandments

[ihopehefails]

Apparently James Madison did not believe that our civilization was to be held together by laws but by religion and the ten commandments.

"To preserve the Republic, it is in the hands of the people. We have staked the whole future of American civilization not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future of all of our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government; upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments" James Madison

 

[Modbert]

Link?

 

[tigerbob]

Apparently James Madison did not believe that our civilization was to be held together by laws but by religion and the ten commandments.

"To preserve the Republic, it is in the hands of the people. We have staked the whole future of American civilization not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future of all of our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government; upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments" James Madison

That's nice for him.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Apparently James Madison did not believe that our civilization was to be held together by laws but by religion and the ten commandments.

"To preserve the Republic, it is in the hands of the people. We have staked the whole future of American civilization not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future of all of our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government; upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments" James Madison

Someone tell Adams!

 

[Modbert]

Someone tell Adams!

Or Jefferson.

Not sure if Ihope would like him too much. After all, he crossed out whatever he didn't like in his bible.

 

[Coyote]

Apparently James Madison did not believe that our civilization was to be held together by laws but by religion and the ten commandments.

"To preserve the Republic, it is in the hands of the people. We have staked the whole future of American civilization not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future of all of our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government; upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments" James Madison

Too bad...we seem to keep messing up on the "though shalt not kill" part...

 

[Modbert]

Maybe Ihope is a communist?

After all, he doesn't want people to commit adultery, which means he's for legalizing the behavior of others.

He's agreeing that people shouldn't work on the sabbath or be killed, so he's for the government controlling the work force.

He's against coveting neighbor's goods, so it's clearly obvious he's against capitalism.



This explains everything! He goes after what he considers communists as to not draw suspicion upon himself!

 

[Coyote]

Maybe Ihope is a communist?

After all, he doesn't want people to commit adultery, which means he's for legalizing the behavior of others.

He's agreeing that people shouldn't work on the sabbath or be killed, so he's for the government controlling the work force.

He's against coveting neighbor's goods, so it's clearly obvious he's against capitalism.



This explains everything! He goes after what he considers communists as to not draw suspicion upon himself!

He must be anti-war too....maybe he's Code Pink Incognito?

 

[Mr Natural]

He was wrong.

 

[rikules]

Apparently James Madison did not believe that our civilization was to be held together by laws but by religion and the ten commandments.

"To preserve the Republic, it is in the hands of the people. We have staked the whole future of American civilization not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future of all of our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government; upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments" James Madison

madison was wrong.

you continue to offer up our forefathers and your religion as being the best of all standards.

but they are NOT.

both our forefathers and your religion have flaws

and made mistakes

our forefathers were wrong to legalize slavery

even though their christian bible promotes and defends slavery

they were wrong to deny women and non-property owners the right to vote

they were wrong about sex and women and gays and blacks

and your bible was just as flawed, just as wrong, about these same things.


any of our forefathers who hold that the 10 commandments should the standard by which all Amercans live is wrong

first and foremost, MOST of the 10 commandments are unconstitutional

1. You shall not worship any other god but YHWH. unconstitutional

2. You shall not make a graven image. unconstitutional

3. You shall not take the name of YHWH in vain. unconstitutional

4. You shall not break the Sabbath. unconstitutional

5. You shall not dishonor your parents. unconstitutional

6. You shall not murder.

7. You shall not commit adultery unconstitutional

8. You shall not steal.

9. You shall not commit perjury.

10. You shall not covet. unconstitutional

and I do noty appreciate people like you telling me that YOUR beliefs deserve special rights over MY beliefs.

your belief that you get to impose YOUR religion over the minds and freedoms of all people, FOR ALL GENERATIONS, is psychotically tyrannical

regardless of what you or madison believed ALL AMericans have a right to NOT believe in any god or religion. you do NOT have the right to FORCE people to believe in YOUR god or to ram your irrational religious morals down everyone elses throats

laws should NOT be beased upon YOUR primitive superstitions and irrational fears

they should be based on LOGIC and REASON

 

[Granny]

Apparently James Madison did not believe that our civilization was to be held together by laws but by religion and the ten commandments.

"To preserve the Republic, it is in the hands of the people. We have staked the whole future of American civilization not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future of all of our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government; upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments" James Madison

To preserve the Republic, it is in the hands of the people [something we need to recapture for the people] We have staked the whole future of American civilization not upon the power of government [unfortunately, the power of government has grown larger and larger, far from it. We have staked the future of all of our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government; [And we're not too damned good at governing outselves - never have - never will]upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments" James Madison

The Ten Commandments are a pretty good guideline for how we should behave.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

These people are like a cult. They make demigods out of the FF, rewrite history to create their own myths about them, and view the Federalist as the Talmud to the Constitutional Torah.

 

[Ravi]

[FONT=Trebuchet MS,Bookman Old Style,Arial]James Madison, the fourth president, known as "The Father of Our Constitution" made the following statement "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God."

• Actually, this statement appears nowhere in the writings or recorded utterances of James Madison and is completely contradictory to his character as a strong proponent of the separation of church and state.

snopes.com: Religious Symbols in the U.S. National Capital
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[Modbert]

Snopes strikes again! I should of known to check it, sounded fishy.

 

[tigerbob]

[FONT=Trebuchet MS,Bookman Old Style,Arial]James Madison, the fourth president, known as "The Father of Our Constitution" made the following statement "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God."

• Actually, this statement appears nowhere in the writings or recorded utterances of James Madison and is completely contradictory to his character as a strong proponent of the separation of church and state.

snopes.com: Religious Symbols in the U.S. National Capital
[/FONT]

Nice. As my daughter would say, "Pwnd".

 

[bodecea]

Apparently James Madison did not believe that our civilization was to be held together by laws but by religion and the ten commandments.

"To preserve the Republic, it is in the hands of the people. We have staked the whole future of American civilization not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future of all of our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government; upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments" James Madison

To preserve the Republic, it is in the hands of the people [something we need to recapture for the people] We have staked the whole future of American civilization not upon the power of government [unfortunately, the power of government has grown larger and larger, far from it. We have staked the future of all of our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government; [And we're not too damned good at governing outselves - never have - never will]upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments" James Madison

The Ten Commandments are a pretty good guideline for how we should behave.

You recommend they all become law?

 

[Granny]

I'm just saying these rules are not at all bad in terms of how we live our lives - has nothing at all to do with illegality or constitutionality.

Sort of a "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you," type of thing.

Mankind is not perfect, but the idea is to strive to do your best. It will never be perfect.

 

[ihopehefails]

Maybe Ihope is a communist?

After all, he doesn't want people to commit adultery, which means he's for legalizing the behavior of others.

He's agreeing that people shouldn't work on the sabbath or be killed, so he's for the government controlling the work force.

He's against coveting neighbor's goods, so it's clearly obvious he's against capitalism.



This explains everything! He goes after what he considers communists as to not draw suspicion upon himself!

In case you did not read the entire thing he said that the government was not to restrict people and that people were to be guided by their conscience. In his case it meant the ten commandments. This he chose for himself but other people may choose other things to follow. I am free not to do all the things you said a Christian should do. I should not have to explain this but it is becoming more common with people who believe in the god-like status of government.

 

[ihopehefails]

Apparently James Madison did not believe that our civilization was to be held together by laws but by religion and the ten commandments.

"To preserve the Republic, it is in the hands of the people. We have staked the whole future of American civilization not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future of all of our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government; upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments" James Madison

madison was wrong.

you continue to offer up our forefathers and your religion as being the best of all standards.

but they are NOT.

both our forefathers and your religion have flaws

and made mistakes

our forefathers were wrong to legalize slavery

even though their christian bible promotes and defends slavery

they were wrong to deny women and non-property owners the right to vote

they were wrong about sex and women and gays and blacks

and your bible was just as flawed, just as wrong, about these same things.


any of our forefathers who hold that the 10 commandments should the standard by which all Amercans live is wrong

first and foremost, MOST of the 10 commandments are unconstitutional

1. You shall not worship any other god but YHWH. unconstitutional

2. You shall not make a graven image. unconstitutional

3. You shall not take the name of YHWH in vain. unconstitutional

4. You shall not break the Sabbath. unconstitutional

5. You shall not dishonor your parents. unconstitutional

6. You shall not murder.

7. You shall not commit adultery unconstitutional

8. You shall not steal.

9. You shall not commit perjury.

10. You shall not covet. unconstitutional

and I do noty appreciate people like you telling me that YOUR beliefs deserve special rights over MY beliefs.

your belief that you get to impose YOUR religion over the minds and freedoms of all people, FOR ALL GENERATIONS, is psychotically tyrannical

regardless of what you or madison believed ALL AMericans have a right to NOT believe in any god or religion. you do NOT have the right to FORCE people to believe in YOUR god or to ram your irrational religious morals down everyone elses throats

laws should NOT be beased upon YOUR primitive superstitions and irrational fears

they should be based on LOGIC and REASON

I don't think that I said that anyone should be forced to participate in the ten commandments nor did Madison. In fact, he believed that people should self-govern themselves which means they have the freedom to believe as they want and be restrained by their own religious views. They were free to choose what views they want to follow for themselves which was developed by their pursuit of their own religion which the first amendment protects.

 

[Modbert]

In case you did not read the entire thing he said that the government was not to restrict people and that people were to be guided by their conscience. In his case it meant the ten commandments. This he chose for himself but other people may choose other things to follow. I am free not to do all the things you said a Christian should do. I should not have to explain this but it is becoming more common with people who believe in the god-like status of government.

Except Madison never said that quote.