How many Canadians might have died in WWII if USA had not joined against Hitler and Japan in December of 1941?

[DennisPTate]

"IF THE UNITED STATES HAD NOT JOINED WITH CANADA AND THE ALLIES TO ATTACK NAZI GERMANY, Japan and Italy, IN December of 1941, AND THEN LATER INVADE EUROPE IN 1944, HOW MANY MORE CANADIANS WOULD PROBABLY HAVE DIED DURING WWII?"

My off the top of my head guess would be into the hundreds of thousands and perhaps even a million more Canadians might well have volunteered to join the Canadian army, navy or airforce, and gone off to Europe to defeat NAZI Germany BUT.....
in December of 1941, when the USA joined Canada and the allies against Hitler and Germany and the AXIS powers, [then the Canadians who were tempted to volunteer to go to Europe to fight Hitler, knew that they could relax at least a little bit, and let the Americans handle the heaviest lifting.

My dad was in the Canadian Merchant Marine pretty much from 1939 to 1945, [if I remember correctly], and my Uncle William Alexander Malloy is buried in Italy. He was killed on January 2, 1945.

The United States formally decided to go against Hitler on December 11, 1941, when Germany declared war on the U.S. three days after Pearl Harbor. While the U.S. provided, Lend-Lease aid to the Allies since September 1940, it remained officially neutral until Adolf Hitler himself declared war on the United States.
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Key details regarding the decision:

• Immediate Response: Following the attack on Pearl Harbor by Japan on December 7, 1941, the U.S. was focused on the Pacific. However, Germany's declaration of war on December 11 made the fight against Hitler official, notes this Wikipedia article.
• "Germany First" Strategy: Despite Japan being the immediate attacker, the US and Britain had already agreed to a "Europe First" strategy, focusing on defeating Germany first, notes this Wikipedia article.
• Pre-War Tension: Although not at war, the U.S. had shown opposition to Hitler through diplomatic protests after Kristallnacht in 1938 and by implementing the Lend-Lease program in 1940 to aid Britain.
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The US declared war on Japan on December 8, 1941, and shortly after Germany and Italy declared war, the U.S. became fully engaged in the conflict.

William Alexander Malloy | Veterans Affairs Canada

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Private William Alexander Malloy​

My mom told me that an officer made an offer to Uncle Bill that if Bill would work as his assistant, he would never see active duty? My Uncle Bill turned down that very good offer. Later on when Uncle Bill got wounded, [and was free to go home to Nova Scotia, Canada], his commanding officer visited him in the hospital and Uncle Bill went back into active duty and was later on killed in action.




William Alexander Malloy | Veterans Affairs Canada

 

[Churchill]

"IF THE UNITED STATES HAD NOT JOINED WITH CANADA AND THE ALLIES TO ATTACK NAZI GERMANY IN December of 1941, AND THEN LATER INVADE EUROPE IN 1944, HOW MANY MORE CANADIANS WOULD PROBABLY HAVE DIED DURING WWII?"

My off the top of my head guess would be into the hundreds of thousands and perhaps even a million more Canadians might well have volunteered to join the Canadian army, navy or airforce, and gone off to Europe to defeat NAZI Germany BUT.....
in December of 1941, when the USA joined Canada and the allies against Hitler and Germany and the AXIS powers in, [then the Canadians who were tempted to volunteer to go to Europe to fight Hitler, knew that they could relax at least a little bit, and let the Americans handle the heavy lifting.

My dad was in the Canadian Merchant Marine from 1939 to 1945, [if I remember correctly], and my Uncle William Alexander Malloy is buried in Italy. He was killed on January 2, 1945.

It would be tiny compared to the number of Soviets.

 

[DennisPTate]

It would be tiny compared to the number of Soviets.

You are absolutely correct! The number of Soviet casualties in WWII is staggering!

But, I do submit that if the USA had not joined in the War Effort against Germany, Japan and Italy in December of 1941 the number of Canadians who might well have joined in the war effort could well have gone closer and closer and closer to the number of Soviet casualties!

This will give you some up to date context as to why I began this discussion and poll.

"IF THE UNITED STATES HAD NOT JOINED WITH CANADA AND THE ALLIES TO ATTACK NAZI GERMANY IN December of 1941 AND THEN LATER INVADE EUROPE IN 1944, HOW MANY MORE CANADIANS WOULD PROBABLY HAVE DIED DURING WWII?

PRIME MINISTER MARK CARNEY HAD NO PROBLEM PLAYING THE ANTI-TRUMP AND ANTI-USA cards because his Liberal Party is competing for domination of Canada's political left, [and Canada's political left is rabidly anti-Trump and almost as generally anti-USA], but Pierre Poilievre's Conservatives view this world differently!

Personally I have the impression that Mr. Pierre Poilievre has a better understanding of Canadian history than P. M. Mark Carney tends to have."

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Trump made sure he tanked Pierre chances.

Same way I believe Trump likely told Thune to kill the SAVE Act

I had no clue who "Thune" was or the SAVE Act so I had to google this?

I personally do believe that President Donald J. Trump is correct that if USA voters would have to present Photo I. D. or Voter I.D. to vote, that detail would pretty much wipe out the USA Democratic Party, [even perhaps in the States of New York and California]?

Am I an idiot to be thinking this way?

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I do...

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[Churchill]

You are absolutely correct! The number of Soviet casualties in WWII is staggering!

But, I do submit that if the USA had not joined in the War Effort against Germany, Japan and Italy in December of 1941 the number of Canadians who might well have joined in the war effort could well have gone closer and closer and closer to the number of Soviet casualties!

Perhaps, but by a similar argument if the British Empire had no provided the USA with its diplomatic and military resources in the Far East there might have been a Pear Harbor follow up or even Japanese attacks on the US mainland.

This is all speculation.

 

[DennisPTate]

Perhaps, but by a similar argument if the British Empire had no provided the USA with its diplomatic and military resources in the Far East there might have been a Pear Harbor follow up or even Japanese attacks on the US mainland.

This is all speculation.

Again, you are absolutely correct.

I have heard the estimate that if Japan had invaded the continental USA soon after Pearl Harbour, the Japanese military could probably have conquered the Continental USA, all the way to the Mississippi River?

I like speculating. One of my pass times is reading a bit about "Applied Multiverse Theory." Near death experiencers have gotten me interested in this topic.

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Can time be branched from any point in time in earth's history off into a separate time line?

After studying near death experiencer accounts since 1990 I have arrived at that conclusion as just about the only way to explain some of the seeming contradictions.

In 1975 Dannion Brinkley has his first brush with death and he was given about one hundred and seventeen significant and non-guessable aspects of the future of the USA and the world. It seems to me as if some of the really scary disasters that he was shown in 1975 have been delayed ten or twenty years already from the time line...

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[Darkwind]

How many did they send?

 

[Churchill]

Again, you are absolutely correct.

I have heard the estimate that if Japan had invaded the continental USA soon after Pearl Harbour, the Japanese military could probably have conquered the Continental USA, all the way to the Mississippi River?

I like speculating. One of my pass times is reading a bit about "Applied Multiverse Theory." Near death experiencers have gotten me interested in this topic.

Thread 'Do we live in a Multiverse?'

Nov 8, 2025

Can time be branched from any point in time in earth's history off into a separate time line?

After studying near death experiencer accounts since 1990 I have arrived at that conclusion as just about the only way to explain some of the seeming contradictions.

In 1975 Dannion Brinkley has his first brush with death and he was given about one hundred and seventeen significant and non-guessable aspects of the future of the USA and the world. It seems to me as if some of the really scary disasters that he was shown in 1975 have been delayed ten or twenty years already from the time line...

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I studied general relativity and the "mutiverse" is frankly an absurdity with zero evidential support.

 

[DennisPTate]

How many did they send?

That video that Churchill gave in his first reply was brilliant. It stated that 43,000 Canadians died in WWII. The USA had nearly 10X or 1000% more casualties than Canada had in WWII.

 

[DennisPTate]

I studied general relativity and the "mutiverse" is frankly an absurdity with zero evidential support.

Or... you were not quite as good of a student as Stephen Hawking Ph. D. was?


Chapter thirteen of "Stephen Hawking's Universe" that is entitled "The Anthropic Principle" would leave any reasonably good student asking questions?

One such question would be.....
how could former Atheist Mellen Thomas Benedict end up
with a better understanding of String Theory, The Anthropic Principle, Multiverse Theory and The Cyclic Model with very little background......
other than what he saw and reported during a brush with death?

[Mellen Thomas Benedict] :

6. The Void​

At this point of my NDE, I found myself in a profound stillness, beyond all silence. I could see or perceive FOREVER, beyond Infinity. I was in the Void.

I was in pre-creation, before the Big Bang. I had crossed over the beginning of time / the First Word / the First vibration. I was in the Eye of Creation. I felt as if I was touching the Face of God. It was not a religious feeling. Simply, I was at one with Absolute Life and Consciousness. When I say that I could see or perceive forever, I mean that I could experience all of creation generating itself. It was without beginning and without end. That’s a mind-expanding thought, isn’t it? Scientists perceive the Big Bang as a single event that created the Universe. I saw during my life after death experience that the Big Bang is only one of an infinite number of Big Bangs creating Universes endlessly and simultaneously. The only images that even come close in human terms would be those created by super computers using fractal geometry equations.

The ancients knew of this. They said God had periodically created new Universes by breathing out, and recreated other Universes by breathing in. These epochs were called Yugas. Modern science called this the Big Bang. I was in absolute, pure consciousness. I could see or perceive all the Big Bangs or Yugas creating and recreating themselves. Instantly I entered into them all simultaneously. I saw that each and every little piece of creation has the power to create. It is very difficult to try to explain this. I am still speechless about this.

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Do not despair though....
Back in 1978 in the Engineering program at Dalhousie University in Halifax, Nova Scotia, I missed one hundred percent of the labs..... and about fifty percent of my classes.......
then after the mid terms it was suggested to me that I may as well go home......
because labs were compulsory!


And because I wasn't even doing all that well in class....
I remember that only about three students out of sixty plus students passed the Calculus mid-term, [two geniuses from China and one red headed genius from somewhere in the USA or Canada].

I remember the title of the Statics Mid-term...... "Three dimensional Cartesian Vector System Plane Problems," [or something very much like that]. In high school I could usually figure out math problems without doing any homework....... but not at the university level.... [especially in a three year Engineering program that was compacted into two years]?!

So don't feel bad Churchill .....
you are not the only less than great student when it comes to Theoretical Physics!

 

[Churchill]

Or... you were not quite as good of a student as Stephen Hawking Ph. D. was?

Read Einstein to study Einstein, not Hawking, warning - it has equations:

Chapter thirteen of "Stephen Hawking's Universe" that is entitled "The Anthropic Principle" would leave any reasonably good student asking questions?

Penrose sometimes collaborated with Hawking, Penrose doesn't regard "multiverse" as scientific.

One such question would be.....
how could former Atheist Mellen Thomas Benedict end up
with a better understanding of String Theory, The Anthropic Principle, Multiverse Theory and The Cyclic Model with very little background......
other than what he saw and reported during a brush with death?

 

[DennisPTate]

Read Einstein to study Einstein, not Hawking, warning - it has equations:

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Pensrose sometimes collaborated with Hawking, Penrose doesn't regard "multiverse" as scientific.

Personally... I would prefer to study about Nikola Tesla because
Tesla, seemed to be playing in a whole other league than the Brilliant Dr. Albert Einstein.

I have an interesting story about Einstein that I ran into though... [but I will try to remember to give it to you after we get into page two of the replies]! Actually.... I have ran into several interesting stories about the brilliant Dr. Einstein, [not the least boring of which is his support for a number of years for the courageous Immanuel Velikovsky].

 

[Churchill]

Personally... I would prefer to study about Nikola Tesla because
he seemed to be playing in a whole other level than the Brilliant Dr. Albert Einstein.

Tesla was innovative but began to lose his mind and his latter years are filled with pseudoscience, but he was a fascinating person.

I have an interesting story about Einstein that I ran into though... [but I will try to remember to give it to you after we get into page two of the replies]! Actually.... I have ran into several interesting stories about the brilliant Dr. Einstein.

I've read a lot about the man and read much of his early work on special and general relativity.

 

[DennisPTate]

Tesla was innovative but began to lose his mind and his latter years are filled with pseudoscience, but he was a fascinating person.

I've read a lot about the man and read much of his early work on special and general relativity.

Wow!

I actually haven't but being as you asked.....
one near death experiencer reported meeting with Dr. Albert Einstein during their 1995 near death experience. You will find this quite intriguing.

[Christian Andreason] :

"A moment happened in the beginning of my experience where Albert Einstein, the
famous scientist, came forward to speak with me. While at first I could not make out his face, by the 'feel' of his energy I knew exactly who he was
as soon as he appeared.


To be perfectly honest, I really never had much of an interest in Einstein before,
so I found it interesting that I was seeing him now ... and what amazed me was that he seemed to know exactly who I waseven though he died in 1955, 14 years before I was born.


He explained that he wanted to answer a few questions I was starting to have about
some of the codes and scientific theories I was now seeing on the screen held behind me. He told me it was important for me to fully understand, so I could
accomplish my destiny on Earth. I remember wondering how it was that he could speak of and claim to know of my destiny, when I myself did not have a
clue?


As he spoke to me about space, time and relativity I was aware that Einstein had
been (and still was) a great teacher who not only had been born to our world, but that he had also come to many other worlds' in God's Super Universe
to help them advance in scientific and social understanding. As his energy stood before me, it was like being near an old friend who just happened to be
tremendously brilliant, and what I found completely remarkable was how he was able to explain even the most complex notion in such an easy to understand way.



Not only was he incredibly kind, sincere and funny; he always seemed to be
completely interested in my views. We started discussing sound and the use of music and harmonies for the purpose of transporting energy into a space. It
surprised me that I actually started to believe I knew more about this particular subject than he seemed toand when he showed me a supernaturally displayed diagram of what the Universe looks like before and after sound has entered it, I challenged him in
our discussion about the use of tonal dissonance, which led to another discussion about the opening of some sort of time/space portal and the filling of
space with atomic, neutrino type matter. I understood that this matter absorbed and recorded absolutely that happened within the space it filled. Without
thinking, I began speaking about the use of positive and negative energy, and that if too much challenging energy fills a space, the atmosphere becomes
tainted and is never as pure as before. We spoke about Nazi Germany and how the vile actions performed there, when Hitler was in power, forever altered the
energies in that part of the world.


Ultimately, Einstein seemed highly interested (and even humored) by my assertions.
And as he saw that I was shocked by my own sudden burst of self confidence, he congratulated me on what he called my "chutzpa"
(hut-spa)a word I had never heard before until then, which I later found out was a Yiddish term expressing, "sudden and unexpected boldness."
While our actual conversation seemed brief in comparison with everything else I encountered during my NDE, Einstein did manage to impart a tremendous amount
of information to me in a way that I can only call, "telepathic"not only could I hear his thoughts and explanations fully in my mind, I could also see actual multi-dimensional, moving, colorful demonstrations as
well. It was like watching a live documentary that is being broadcast into your mind. Unfortunately, most of what I was shown is not always easy for me to
recall at will, but I am sure it is all still subconsciously with me, because I will sometimes find myself suddenly able to explain some of the things
Einstein showed me on a "as needed" basis during my one-on-one sessionsand then be completely stunned by what I just remembered!. (Christian Andreason)

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I personally believe that there are probably "layers" to the human soul or spirit or whatever it is within us that seems to survive death, [and may well even exist for an astonishingly long period of time before we are even conceived]?


Near death experiencer Christian Andreason.....
reports being able to Debate with Dr. Albert Einstein.....
while in the out of the body state!

This is so similar to what happened with former Atheist Rabbi Alon Anava during his 2001 seven minute brush with death due to a drug overdose.


www.AlonAnava.com/



My best guess is that the "layers" to the human soul or spirit or whatever it is that can astral project... or go into an "out of the body state " ......
corresponds somehow to the basics of String Theory?

"It was not until 1920 that the idea of linking electromagnetism and
gravity resurfaced. At that time a new theory of gravitation had been proposed by Albert Einstein (1879-1955), called the general theory of relativity. It was a replacement of Newton's theory, which had stood unchallenged since 1687. Inspired by Einstein's work, a young German mathematician named Theodore Kaluza was seized by a curious idea. The theory of relativity links space an time together to form a four-dimensional space-time continuum. What would happen, mused Kaluza, if general relativity were formulated in five rather than four dimensions? This is what Kaluza did, and to everyone's astonishment it was discovered that five-dimensional gravity obeys the same laws as
four-dimensional gravity as well as Maxwell's laws for the electromagnetic field. In other words, gravitation and electromagnetism are automatically unified in five dimensions, where electromagnetism is merely a component of gravity!"

The only drawback of the theory concerns the extra dimension. Why
don't we see it? An ingenious answer was provided by Oskar Klein. A
hosepipe viewed from afar looks like a wiggly line, i.e. one- dimensional.
However, on closer inspection it can be seen as a narrow tube. It is, in fact,
two-dimensional, and what was taken to be a point on the line is actually a
little circle going around the tube. In the same way, reasoned Klein, what we normally regard as a point in three dimensional space could in reality be a little circle going around a fourth space dimension. Thus Kaluza's extra
dimension might well exist, but be impossible to detect because it is closed
(circular) and rolled up to a very small circumference. In spite of
these bizarre overtones, it seems probable that in future a "theory of everything" will make use of the idea of unseen higher dimensions."
....

"Although nature manifests four distinct forces, physicists believe that
each may be part of a smaller number of more primitive forces. At high energy, the electromagnetic and weak forces appear to merge into a single "electroweak" force. Some "grand unified theories" suggest that a further amalgamation takes place between the electroweak and strong forces at as yet unattained energies. The most ambitious unification schemes envisage an amalgamation of all four forces into a single "superforce" at ultra-high levels of energy."

...

"The real burden in the next three centuries will not be the development of fancy mathematics, but the experimental testing of these ambitious theories. All current thinking about total unification assumes that the effects of linking all the forces and particles together will only become manifest at energies that are some trillion times greater than those currently attainable in particle accelerators. Probably we shall never reach such energies directly" ( A Theory of Everything" Volume 21 of "The World of Science)