For anti-gun extremists....using a gun for home self defense, 3 things you don't do.....
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BAY CITY, MI — Before the sun rose on a hot July morning, three men sneaked into a Bay City home, planning to steal medical marijuana.
Creeping through the house in search of the cash crop, they deliberately went to a kitchen drawer, where they snatched a handgun.
When the homeowner awoke and confronted the intruders, one of the trio fired six shots from that gun and ended the resident’s life, all while his son slept upstairs.
‘Their greed overruled common sense,’ says mother of Bay City murder victim as 2 of his killers head to prison for life
The killing of Tyler Gruber occurred in July 2019, when three men tried robbing his home of medical marijuana.
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White boys btw.
M14 Shooter
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M'kay. So?
Shot with your own gun. If they didn't have a gun they would have just got robbed.
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BAY CITY, MI — Before the sun rose on a hot July morning, three men sneaked into a Bay City home, planning to steal medical marijuana.
Creeping through the house in search of the cash crop, they deliberately went to a kitchen drawer, where they snatched a handgun.
When the homeowner awoke and confronted the intruders, one of the trio fired six shots from that gun and ended the resident’s life, all while his son slept upstairs.
‘Their greed overruled common sense,’ says mother of Bay City murder victim as 2 of his killers head to prison for life
The killing of Tyler Gruber occurred in July 2019, when three men tried robbing his home of medical marijuana.
White boys btw.
Hmmm....3 criminals......yeah, if killing was what they decided to do, you don't think the 3 of them could kill that man without the gun....? That is the problem with you anti-gun fascists.....criminals often travel in groups of two or more...while they target the weak and elderly.........if they want to kill, they can use knives, meanwhile, the victim has to face whatever number all by themselves....and without a gun, they are likely going to lose.......get raped, tortured, murdered...with the gun?
The very first story...a woman drives off 3 home invaders....with a gun.....they have a gun as well, and she still drives them off...
DGU of the Day: Trotwood Ohio Woman Defeats Three Home Invaders - The Truth About Guns
Three men break into a home in Trotwood, Ohio. [Click here to watch the video.] They’re all armed. It is before 6 am, just three days after Christmas. One of the men is armed with a Tec-9 pistol. He enters last. The other two hold what appear to be conventional semi-auto pistols. They bypass two sleeping children to find the mother. The surveillance video shows the three following the mother after they pistol whipped her in the laundry room.
The man directly behind her has the Tec-9. Presumably holds her at gunpoint while the other two attempt to drag off a safe, in a room with two more children. While the two men are occupied with the safe, the woman breaks free from her captor, accesses a hidden pistol, and starts to fire.
All three run, but the Tec-9 gunman, Azikiwe Presley, is mortally wounded. His body is found 100 yards from the house. From wdtn.com:
“I got my gun and I started shooting and they ran,” the female caller told dispatchers. “They all three had guns, I’m confused … they must not have had bullets because after I pulled the trigger they just took off, instead of firing back. I don’t know if I hit one or not, I don’t see blood anywhere.”
In this case, the recipient of female dedication to protecting innocent life ran a hundred yards and died. It is not uncommon for a man who is fatally shot to run that far, even with a heart/lung shot. As he was likely the one holding the woman at gunpoint, and the closest, greatest, threat with the Tec-9, it is not surprising that he drew the lethal ticket. Whether through choice or happenstance, the mother made the right tactical decision.
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Then all these too...
Concealed Carrier Holds Burglar At Gunpoint With Her FNX .45
CLEVELAND, TENNESSEE — A woman successfully subdued a would-be burglar outside her home using her FNX .45. The suspect, James Jeffrey Dunn, was allegedly trying to break in through her front door late at night. She got her handgun and confronted the burglar, according to WRCB. Once at the doorway, she yelled through the door for him to stay put and not move. Moments later, she confronted him head-on — handgun drawn and ready to go.
via WRCB
“I tried to order him to stay right where he was at and I pointed the gun at him and I came running off the porch and I came within 10 feet of him and he laid the bicycle down and he crumpled on top of the bicycle,” she says.
She held him at gunpoint until Cleveland Police arrived and arrested Dunn, 35, on charges of aggravated burglary, theft, and burglary of a motor vehicle. Police note that Dunn had an arrest sheet tallying over 40 charges — the most recent being only 6 hours prior to his attempted burglary of this concealed carrier.
“We went over this when we got my concealed carry permit, these types of scenarios. But I had already put that gun up and ever taken it out since, you know?” she says. “Maybe to go the range once.”
When we talk about the new generation of concealed carriers, let’s take a good long look at the realities these people are facing: hardened, career criminals unafraid to bust through the door or do damage to private property and persons. It’s a good thing this woman had the proper training she needed and the right equipment.
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Florida....
Investigators said an 80-year-old Pensacola, Florida, man walked outside to lock his cars just after 11 p.m. Tuesday when two males approached him and demanded his car, WEAR-TV reported.
One of the suspects pulled a gun on the elderly victim, WKRG-TV reported.
But it turns out their target came prepared. Police said the homeowner grabbed his concealed weapon — for which he has a permit — and opened fire, WEAR reported.
Both suspects ran off, WKRG said, adding that one of the victims turned up at a house with a gunshot wound. The second suspect got away, WEAR reported.
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Well, it looks like both suspects have an opportunity to step back and evaluate their life choices, now doesn’t it?
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After all, bad guys are predators. They like to look for easy prey, people like 80-year-old guys in Florida.
And that’s why owning and carrying a gun is so important.
Even an armed criminal is likely to run from an armed citizen defending themselves. While I often point out that bad guys set the terms of engagement, the truth is that the armed citizen is likely the more tenacious side. After all, escape is usually not really an option for the armed citizen. They have their lives to defend.
Putting up a fight really does seem to be the best option when faced with an armed criminal, and this gentleman did fight. As a result, he went home that night and at least one of the thugs went to the hospital. Sure, another got away, but he’s going to have that memory of damn near being lit up by some old guy who didn’t want to give up his cars or his life.
Guns don’t make men evil. They don’t create criminals where none existed previously. They do, however, give people who may not be physically able to meet physical threats an edge that allows them to protect themselves.
80-Year-Old Armed Citizen Teaches Carjackers Valuable Life Lesson
12/24/17
'I had to take care of things': Gun-wielding Texas mother scares off intruder
The family does not want to be identified, but wanted to share the story in hope that awareness can help in similar situations.
The mother was at home with the family's 3-month-old daughter Thursday night. Her husband was out of town working, but was coming home Friday to celebrate the first Christmas with their daughter.
After tossing and turning in bed for a while, the mother was not able to fall asleep and went to the living room around 11:30 p.m.
About an hour later, she heard the home alarm beep and her back door open.
Her instinct kicked in.
"I froze for a second and then I realized I needed to spring into action, I mean, I had my baby in the house. I was alone. My husband was away on business, so I had to take care of things," she said.
She grabbed a gun and went towards the back door, where she found a man standing in her kitchen.
She yelled at the man while pointing the gun at him, and her dog ran towards him, scaring him out of the back door.
She locked the door and called 911.
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http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/12/22/suspect-puts-gun-mans-head-gets-shot/
A suspect put a gun to a man’s head on Thursday only to flee under a barrage of bullets after the would-be victim pulled his own gun and opened fire.
The incident occurred in Philadelphia’s West Oak Lane.
According to 6 ABC, Rahkeim Kelly was “headed home from buying a soda” when the suspect in a hoodie approached and put a gun to his head. Kelly managed to move away quickly, take cover behind a car, draw his own gun, and open fire.
The suspect, 22-year-old Osirus Lester, fled the scene.
Kelly said, “I fired two shots first, then he tried to take off running. I fired one more, then he ended up dropping the gun. He ran off and I just went and secured the weapon.”
Lester was arrested within minutes with a gunshot wound to his wrist.
Philadelphia Police Capt. Sekou Kinnebrew said, “[Kelly] does have a valid permit to carry. We checked that out. He’s the victim of a robbery. He did attempt to retreat, taking cover behind a car. But the offender continued to aggress, and (the victim) had to defend himself.”
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Lancaster Woman Scares Off Bat-Wielding Attackers By Pulling Gun On Them
LANCASTER, Ohio - It happened along a walking path in Lancaster.
Dinah Burns is licensed to carry a concealed gun, but she'd only recently started taking her weapon while walking her dog.
Based on what happened, it looks like she'll make a point of carrying from now on.
"I think if they'd gotten any closer, I probably would have fired,” said Burns.
It was Monday when Burns was on a footpath near Sanderson Elementary School.
"Two gentlemen came out of the woods, one holding a baseball bat, and said 'You're coming with us'."
The men weren't deterred by Dinah's dog Gracie.
"I said, 'Well, what do you want?,' and as I was saying that I reached in to my pocket and slipped my gun out, slipped the safety off as I pulled it out. As I was doing that the other gentleman came toward me and raised the baseball bat. And, I pointed the gun at them and said, 'I have this and I'm not afraid to use it.'"
The men took off and so far have eluded police. Dinah posted about the incident on Facebook to alert friends and neighbors, to criticism by some.
"Most of the males' opinion was, 'Why didn't you shoot them?'"
Easy to second-guess a decision made under pressure, based on her concealed carry training, and police agree.
"To get out of a situation, back out, get out of it as much as you can without having to discharge your firearm."
"I will say it's a good thing to go from a place of danger to a place of safety, however you get that done,” said Sgt. Matt Chambers, Lancaster Police.
"Very thankful that it turned out the way it did, and hope it doesn't happen again, but I will be prepared."
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What I want you to know on Gun Violence Awareness Day | Fox News
What I want you to know on Gun Violence Awareness Day
I correctly listened to my instincts; I had a feeling that my life was in danger in that elevator and prepared myself mentally for what was potentially to come.
I ran to my car in an attempt to escape and, before I could even get my entire body in my car, I was tackled by my attacker.
This man quickly overpowered me, stabbed at me with a knife, clamped his hand over my mouth multiple times, and repeatedly tried forcing me in the passenger seat of my car while telling me, “We’re going.”
The entire time this was happening, a rusted, serrated knife was being stabbed towards my abdomen and held at my face.
I had been hit in the face, thrown over my driver’s side console, and had rips in my tights from his hands trying to force my legs up and over into the passenger seat.
There are some individuals that think gun owners are “trigger happy” and wanting to pull their weapons out at the first opportunity. There is nothing further from the truth.
The night I was attacked, I fought like hell for my life before reaching for my gun. I kicked, I screamed, I had all ten fingernails ripped off and bloodied from scratching and trying to fight my way out of a literal life and death situation.
Ultimately, I accessed my gun, shot my attacker multiple times, and saved my life. He will be spending years in prison for what he did to me.
Using a gun in self-protection is not a decision one makes lightly; in fact, I never dreamed that I would be forced into a situation where I would have to do so. However, I also never imagined such evil existing in the world so that I would be powerless, wounded, on my back and unable to physically force my attacker off of me.
I owned a gun and had been trained on how to use it. I know how to safely carry and that a gun is a serious and significant weapon; it is not to be used carelessly. Naysayers and people with opposing opinions may try to undermine my situation with hypotheticals. I cannot answer these questions. All I can do is tell the facts of my story and the true account of how I saved my own life.
What I want you to know on Gun Awareness Day is that a gun in the hands of a potential victim is not improperly placed; it can be the only thing keeping her from being brutally raped and murdered.
Without my gun, I would not be alive today.
Guns are not the problem in America; men like my attacker -- who are willing to violently change one person’s life for no reason except for pure evil – are the problem.
Be safe at all times. Be aware of your surroundings. Trust your instincts. Always be able to protect yourself. Refuse to be a victim, and instead be a fighter and a survivor. Live to tell your tale and make a criminal regret the day he chose you as a “soft target.” My gun saved my life, and one could save yours too.
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Waking up to an armed intruder in your house would be any home owner’s worst nightmare. If you’re a single mother with two young kids in the house, finding a man wielding a machete in your bedroom closet immediately kicks you into “momma bear” mode.
That’s what happened to a California woman who woke up to the sound of a man rummaging through her walk-in closet. The thief — Ocean Burger (his name, not a restaurant) — was armed with a number of knives and a machete when the un-named woman grabbed a handgun and confronted him.
From ksbw.com . . .
[Investigators] say Burger ignored orders to leave and when the homeowner fired several warning shots he allegedly advanced towards her, that’s when the mother fired at the accused burglar hitting him in the leg. And California law may be on her side.
Warning shots are never a good idea and could even put you in legal jeopardy in many jurisdictions. In this case, they not only wasted perfectly good (and expensive) ammunition, but probably led Burger to believe she wasn’t serious about actually shooting him.
After advancing on the woman, the round in his leg apparently convinced Burger that he was wrong.
The good news is California actually has a castle doctrine law on the books. The woman had no duty to retreat and was legally justified in using deadly force to defend herself and her children.
“There is a presumption that favors the homeowner they’re presumed that the person is in imminent fear of either death or great bodily injury,” said Ellen Campos, assistant district attorney for San Benito county. …
California Woman Shoots Machete-Wielding Burglar She Found in Her Closet - The Truth About Guns
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LANCASTER, Ohio - It happened along a walking path in Lancaster.
Dinah Burns is licensed to carry a concealed gun, but she'd only recently started taking her weapon while walking her dog.
Based on what happened, it looks like she'll make a point of carrying from now on.
"I think if they'd gotten any closer, I probably would have fired,” said Burns.
It was Monday when Burns was on a footpath near Sanderson Elementary School.
"Two gentlemen came out of the woods, one holding a baseball bat, and said 'You're coming with us'."
The men weren't deterred by Dinah's dog Gracie.
"I said, 'Well, what do you want?,' and as I was saying that I reached in to my pocket and slipped my gun out, slipped the safety off as I pulled it out. As I was doing that the other gentleman came toward me and raised the baseball bat. And, I pointed the gun at them and said, 'I have this and I'm not afraid to use it.'"
The men took off and so far have eluded police. Dinah posted about the incident on Facebook to alert friends and neighbors, to criticism by some.
"Most of the males' opinion was, 'Why didn't you shoot them?'"
Easy to second-guess a decision made under pressure, based on her concealed carry training, and police agree.
"To get out of a situation, back out, get out of it as much as you can without having to discharge your firearm."
"I will say it's a good thing to go from a place of danger to a place of safety, however you get that done,” said Sgt. Matt Chambers, Lancaster Police.
"Very thankful that it turned out the way it did, and hope it doesn't happen again, but I will be prepared."
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Mother Shoots Intruder 'Multiple Times' to Save Baby - Breitbart
An Indianapolis mother shot a man “multiple times” after he allegedly broke into the home through the window in the baby’s room.
According to CBS 4, family members said that around noon on March 24, the woman “heard the window get busted and she called her husband and said I think somebody’s breaking in the house.”
She grabbed her pistol and ran toward the sound of breaking glass, only to be confronted by the alleged intruder who shot at her, but missed.
The mother then opened fire and struck the suspect “multiple times.” He was transported to a hospital for treatment.
In addition to being armed, a 911 dispatcher said the suspect was “carrying zip ties and a walkie-talkie.”
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CCW IN ACTION: Armed 22-Year-Old Woman Stops Three Men Attempting To Rob Her In Store Parking Lot – Concealed Nation
OKLAHOMA CITY, OKLAHOMA — A concealed carrier successfully thwarted the efforts of three men to rob her late at night outside a Dollar Tree. According to police reports from the scene, the woman was exiting the Dollar Tree and heading to her car when she was approached by a man and asked to walk with him. When she refused, he point-blank told her he was going to rob her of her purse.
At this point, according to KOCO, she was presented by two other men backing up the first. She withdrew her concealed carry pistol from her purse and threatened to use it to protect herself. All three men quickly exited and fled the scene.
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Woman Scares off Assailant With Stick. Just Kidding, it was a gun.
Just before 7pm on Wednesday night, a 29 year-old woman had gathered up her dog and headed outside to… well, to let her dog do what dogs do.
Upon her first step outside her Minot, North Dakota home, she was hit solidly in the face with a blunt object, knocking her backward down the stairs and into her home.
Her assailant followed her into her home and started to approach her, but the woman had made it to a cabinet where she retrieved a handgun to protect herself and her home.
When confronted with the firearm, the violent intruder and would-be robber/rapist/murderer fled the scene.
The smart, independent, gun-owning woman did not require medical attention, most likely due to the fact that she was able to pull a weapon on her assailant to end the attack.
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Why did they kill him? They had the gun, why did they chose to use it to commit murder?
So, dumb shit.......3 of them, they could have simply left, but that wasn't good enough......they murdered him because they chose to commit murder......they could have beaten him to death as well.....
The gun was irrellevant to the situation.......
When you are facing 3 criminals without a gun, your fate is pretty much entirely up to them.....that is what you want..to put your life at their mercy........
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NO. If they hadn't been stupid enough to leave the gun in a kitchen drawer and had it with them in the bedroom, they wouldn't have been shot and may have been able to stop the intruder. Stupidity is having a gun unsecured and not at hand. Stupidity is also drawing the wrong conclusion due to preconceived poorly thought out notions.
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Sounds like user error to me.
What do you think this freak incident proves?
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