Explosion in Rafah, Egypt

[jillian]

BBC Global News is tweeting

BBC source: Explosion in a state security building in Rafah, Egypt, with a number of casualties (deaths and injuries). #jan25

http://twitter.com/BBCWORLD

 

[RetiredGySgt]

If Fundamentalists seize control in Egypt the Middle East is in trouble.

 

[jillian]

i know. it would be very sad.

 

[ekrem]

If Fundamentalists seize control in Egypt the Middle East is in trouble.

Power to the people.
If the dictatorship of Mubarak were to fall, it would lead to free&fair elections after a small period of interim government.
I think, that everyone in the world is sympathizing with the Arabs standing up against their regimes. Except for Washington-Americans and Israelis who would be forced to re-negotiate arrangements with a truly democratic government-system establishing itself in those countries.

'Pacta sunt servanda' not really, if those arrangements were formed by a dictatorship, which is being bombed out of power by its own people.

P.S:
BBC Twitter is old, the incident happened on January 25th.

 

[jillian]

If Fundamentalists seize control in Egypt the Middle East is in trouble.

Power to the people.
If the dictatorship of Mubarak were to fall, it would lead to free&fair elections after a small period of interim government.
I think, that everyone in the world is sympathizing with the Arabs standing up against their regimes. Except for Washington-Americans and Israelis who would be forced to re-negotiate arrangements with a truly democratic government-system establishing itself in those countries.

'Pacta sunt servanda' not really, if those arrangements were formed by a dictatorship, which is being bombed out of power by its own people.

P.S:
BBC Twitter is old, the incident happened on January 25th.

yeah, let egypt turn into fundie lunatic bin like iran, right?

thanks... i'll take BBC and breaking news' word for it. it was tweeted an hour ago.

 

[ekrem]

yeah, let egypt turn into fundie lunatic bin like iran, right?

thanks... i'll take BBC and breaking news' word for it. it was tweeted an hour ago.

But at the tweet stands #Jan25, and I have reported it also on Jan27 in another thread.

To the rest:
Let Egyptians decide what they want to make out of their country. It is them who live their and finance it via their taxes.

 

[ekrem]

Without Egypt, Israel will be left with no friends in Mideast - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News

In this situation, Israel will be forced to seek out new allies.
The natural candidates include Syria

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

If Fundamentalists seize control in Egypt the Middle East is in trouble.

Power to the people.
If the dictatorship of Mubarak were to fall, it would lead to free&fair elections after a small period of interim government.
I think, that everyone in the world is sympathizing with the Arabs standing up against their regimes. Except for Washington-Americans and Israelis who would be forced to re-negotiate arrangements with a truly democratic government-system establishing itself in those countries.

'Pacta sunt servanda' not really, if those arrangements were formed by a dictatorship, which is being bombed out of power by its own people.

P.S:
BBC Twitter is old, the incident happened on January 25th.

Vox Populi in Egypt—Caliphate Dreams and Strict Sharia

January 28th, 2011 by Andrew Bostom

A sobering reminder—based upon hard data—from an essay of mine published in April, 2007:American Thinker: The Muslim Mainstream and the New Caliphate

In a rigorously conducted face-to-face University of Maryland/ WorldPublicOpinion.org interview survey of 1000 Egyptian Muslims conducted between December 9, 2006 and February 15, 2007, 67% of those interviewed-more than 2/3, hardly a “fringe minority”-desired this outcome (i.e., “To unify all Islamic countries into a single Islamic state or Caliphate”).

The internal validity of these data about the present longing for a Caliphate is strongly suggested by a concordant result: 74% of this Muslim sample approved the proposition “To require a strict [emphasis added] application of Shari’a law in every Islamic country.”

 

[jillian]

yeah, let egypt turn into fundie lunatic bin like iran, right?

thanks... i'll take BBC and breaking news' word for it. it was tweeted an hour ago.

But at the tweet stands #Jan25, and I have reported it also on Jan27 in another thread.

To the rest:
Let Egyptians decide what they want to make out of their country. It is them who live their and finance it via their taxes.

actually, my quote had it date-stamped at jan 25th, but it was just re-tweeted.

you just like this because you think it screws the US and Israel. And it might... but the world isn't a better place if a bunch of islamoterrorists take control of egypt.

and it isn't just egypt...it's yemen, too. (not that yemen isn't already a terrorist loony bin). but this is the danger in places where the poor are kept poor and ignorant.

Yemen ruling party urges dialogue to halt protests
Protestors & government supporters clash in Yemen

SANAA (Agencies)
Dozens of activists calling for the ouster of Yemen's President Ali Abdullah Saleh clashed on Saturday with the regime's supporters in Sanaa, an AFP journalist reported.

Plainclothes police also attacked the demonstrators who marched to the Egyptian embassy in Sanaa chanting "Ali, leave leave" and "Tunisia left, Egypt after it and Yemen in the coming future."

The chants were referring to the ouster of veteran Tunisian strongman Zine El Abidine Ben Ali early this month and to continuing demonstrations against President Hosni Mubarak in Egypt, the biggest the country has seen in the three decades of his rule.
Meanwhile, Yemen's ruling party has called for dialogue with the opposition, the country's state news agency said late on Friday, in a bid to end anti-government protests fuelled by popular unrest across the Arab World.

"We ... call for the halting of media propaganda and urge all political parties to work together to make the dialogue a success and arrange for upcoming elections," a committee of the ruling General People's Congress (GPC) party was quoted as saying on the website of the Saba state news agency.

"Furthermore, we urge an end to protests that ignite dissent to avoid dragging the country into conflict or sedition," it said.
security forces in civilian clothes
No casualties have been reported in the Yemen clashes.

A female activist, Tawakel Karman, who has led several protests in Sanaa during the past week, said that a member of the security forces in civilian clothes tried to attack her with a dagger and a shoe but was held by other protestors.

"We will continue until the fall of Ali Abdullah Saleh's regime," said Karman, who was granted parole on Monday after being held over her role in earlier protests calling for political change in Yemen.

"We have the Southern Movement in the south, the (Shiite) Huthi rebels in the north, and parliamentary opposition," all of which are calling for political change, said Karman.

Yemen, one of the poorest countries in the Arab world, faces a growing Al-Qaeda threat, a separatist movement in the south and a sporadic rebellion by Zaidi Shiite rebels in the north.

http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/01/29/135492.html

 

[RetiredGySgt]

yeah, let egypt turn into fundie lunatic bin like iran, right?

thanks... i'll take BBC and breaking news' word for it. it was tweeted an hour ago.

But at the tweet stands #Jan25, and I have reported it also on Jan27 in another thread.

To the rest:
Let Egyptians decide what they want to make out of their country. It is them who live their and finance it via their taxes.

actually, my quote had it date-stamped at jan 25th, but it was just re-tweeted.

you just like this because you think it screws the US and Israel. And it might... but the world isn't a better place if a bunch of islamoterrorists take control of egypt.

and it isn't just egypt...it's yemen, too. (not that yemen isn't already a terrorist loony bin). but this is the danger in places where the poor are kept poor and ignorant.

Yemen ruling party urges dialogue to halt protests
Protestors & government supporters clash in Yemen

SANAA (Agencies)
Dozens of activists calling for the ouster of Yemen's President Ali Abdullah Saleh clashed on Saturday with the regime's supporters in Sanaa, an AFP journalist reported.

Plainclothes police also attacked the demonstrators who marched to the Egyptian embassy in Sanaa chanting "Ali, leave leave" and "Tunisia left, Egypt after it and Yemen in the coming future."

The chants were referring to the ouster of veteran Tunisian strongman Zine El Abidine Ben Ali early this month and to continuing demonstrations against President Hosni Mubarak in Egypt, the biggest the country has seen in the three decades of his rule.
Meanwhile, Yemen's ruling party has called for dialogue with the opposition, the country's state news agency said late on Friday, in a bid to end anti-government protests fuelled by popular unrest across the Arab World.

"We ... call for the halting of media propaganda and urge all political parties to work together to make the dialogue a success and arrange for upcoming elections," a committee of the ruling General People's Congress (GPC) party was quoted as saying on the website of the Saba state news agency.

"Furthermore, we urge an end to protests that ignite dissent to avoid dragging the country into conflict or sedition," it said.
security forces in civilian clothes
No casualties have been reported in the Yemen clashes.

A female activist, Tawakel Karman, who has led several protests in Sanaa during the past week, said that a member of the security forces in civilian clothes tried to attack her with a dagger and a shoe but was held by other protestors.

"We will continue until the fall of Ali Abdullah Saleh's regime," said Karman, who was granted parole on Monday after being held over her role in earlier protests calling for political change in Yemen.

"We have the Southern Movement in the south, the (Shiite) Huthi rebels in the north, and parliamentary opposition," all of which are calling for political change, said Karman.

Yemen, one of the poorest countries in the Arab world, faces a growing Al-Qaeda threat, a separatist movement in the south and a sporadic rebellion by Zaidi Shiite rebels in the north.

http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/01/29/135492.html

He also fails to consider the fact that if Fundamentalist seize power in Egypt and Yemen and want a Caliphate that INCLUDES Turkey.

 

[ekrem]

He also fails to consider the fact that if Fundamentalist seize power in Egypt and Yemen and want a Caliphate that INCLUDES Turkey.

Internal developments in either Egypt or Yemen will not effect my country.
Wish for Caliphate exists, but the environment for a Caliphate to function in its intended purpose has not developed yet.
That a possible Caliphate would be established in Egypt or Yemen is unlikely, Muslim world will ask, what these countries have to offer for the Caliphate being placed in their country and under their supervision.

 

[Valerie]

Anti-government protesters have taken to the streets of Egypt for a fifth day despite President Hosni Mubarak's promise to appoint a new cabinet.

Thousands have gathered in the centre of the capital Cairo, where troops and armoured vehicles are deployed but not seeking to intervene.

Clashes are reported in the cities of Alexandria and Ismailiya.

Health officials say 38 people have died in clashes across Egypt since Friday.

The latest figures bring the death toll in the week's unrest to at least 45, with both protesters and police officers among the dead. About 2,000 people have been injured.

A curfew in Cairo, Alexandria and Suez has been extended to last between the hours of 1600 and 0800 (1400 GMT and 0600 GMT).

The army has advised people to obey the curfew and avoid gathering in groups.

Anyone violating the curfew would be "in danger", it said.

BBC News - Egypt protests: army warns against breaking curfew

 

[Valerie]

Confronting a building international crisis, President Barack Obama called on Egypt's president to stand down from violence as the White House moved cautiously to advise an important Arab ally facing furious protesters bent on toppling an autocratic regime.

Obama spoke by phone with Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak on Friday to deliver a stern message to the head of the government threatened by a rebelling public. Mubarak has promised a better democracy and greater economic opportunity, and "I told him he has a responsibility to give meaning to those words; to take concrete steps and actions that deliver on that promise," Obama said.

"Violence will not address the grievances of the Egyptian people, and suppressing ideas never succeeds in making them go away," Obama said at the White House after speaking with Mubarak in a half-hour phone call initiated by the White House.

"All governments must maintain power through consent, not coercion," Obama said.

The Associated Press: Obama admonishes Egypt's Mubarak on protests

 

[Valerie]

"The Egyptians have long felt that, at best, we take them for granted; and at worst, we deliberately ignore their advice while trying to force our point of view on them," Ambassador Margaret Scobey wrote Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Feb 9, 2009. It was among the diplomatic messages released recently by WikiLeaks.

Two months earlier, Scobey wrote that Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak has resisted past U.S. calls for increased democracy, which he has viewed as a threat to his leadership and a boost to internal adversaries seeking to undermine him. Scobey's Dec. 12, 2008, memo to Gen. David Petraeus was in advance of his meeting with Mubarak.

"Mubarak now makes scant public pretense of advancing a vision for democratic change. An ongoing challenge remains balancing our security interests with our democracy promotion efforts," she said.

U.S. officials have urged Mubarak and other senior Egyptian leaders to allow peaceful street protests, and they have condemned the violence stemming from Egyptian government crackdowns on the protests. The U.S. now is considering reducing the $1.5 billion in its military and civilian aid in the wake of increasing violence.

The Associated Press: Cables: Egypt, US clash over democracy

 

[Annie]

Anti-government protesters have taken to the streets of Egypt for a fifth day despite President Hosni Mubarak's promise to appoint a new cabinet.

Thousands have gathered in the centre of the capital Cairo, where troops and armoured vehicles are deployed but not seeking to intervene.

Clashes are reported in the cities of Alexandria and Ismailiya.

Health officials say 38 people have died in clashes across Egypt since Friday.

The latest figures bring the death toll in the week's unrest to at least 45, with both protesters and police officers among the dead. About 2,000 people have been injured.

A curfew in Cairo, Alexandria and Suez has been extended to last between the hours of 1600 and 0800 (1400 GMT and 0600 GMT).

The army has advised people to obey the curfew and avoid gathering in groups.

Anyone violating the curfew would be "in danger", it said.

BBC News - Egypt protests: army warns against breaking curfew

At Liberation Square al Jazeera is covering it live. There's at least 50k protesters. They are not going home and the curfew is over 1/2 hour past. The army is there and doing nothing, some are accepting flowers from the protesters.

 

[Valerie]

Anti-government protesters have taken to the streets of Egypt for a fifth day despite President Hosni Mubarak's promise to appoint a new cabinet.

Thousands have gathered in the centre of the capital Cairo, where troops and armoured vehicles are deployed but not seeking to intervene.

Clashes are reported in the cities of Alexandria and Ismailiya.

Health officials say 38 people have died in clashes across Egypt since Friday.

The latest figures bring the death toll in the week's unrest to at least 45, with both protesters and police officers among the dead. About 2,000 people have been injured.

A curfew in Cairo, Alexandria and Suez has been extended to last between the hours of 1600 and 0800 (1400 GMT and 0600 GMT).

The army has advised people to obey the curfew and avoid gathering in groups.

Anyone violating the curfew would be "in danger", it said.

BBC News - Egypt protests: army warns against breaking curfew

At Liberation Square al Jazeera is covering it live. There's at least 50k protesters. They are not going home and the curfew is over 1/2 hour past. The army is there and doing nothing, some are accepting flowers from the protesters.

Wow! I hope they stay calmed down...

 

[Valerie]

"I call on the Egyptian government and security forces to exercise restraint in dealing with protesters and to respect the human rights of its citizens to seek greater participation in their own government," Clinton said on Friday. She called on President Hosni Mubarak's government to cease blocking communications inside Egypt and allow peaceful protests.

"These protests underscore that there are deep grievances within Egyptian society, and the Egyptian government needs to understand that violence will not make these grievances go away," Clinton said.

Clinton calls for openness and restraint, Kerry calls for democracy in Egypt | The Cable

 

[Sunni Man]

Internal developments in either Egypt or Yemen will not effect my country.
Wish for Caliphate exists, but the environment for a Caliphate to function in its intended purpose has not developed yet.
That a possible Caliphate would be established in Egypt or Yemen is unlikely, Muslim world will ask, what these countries have to offer for the Caliphate being placed in their country and under their supervision.

The zionist jews and their supporters here on the board do not care what happens to the people of Egypt or Yemen.

All they care about is Israel.

If the arabs have to live under brutal pro West/Israel sponsored dictators in order to protect Israel.

Then that's just too bad.

 

[Annie]

BBC News - Egypt protests: army warns against breaking curfew

At Liberation Square al Jazeera is covering it live. There's at least 50k protesters. They are not going home and the curfew is over 1/2 hour past. The army is there and doing nothing, some are accepting flowers from the protesters.

Wow! I hope they stay calmed down...

No surprise that many of the commentators on al Jazeera are blaming the poverty on Israel and US. Common theme with all Arab revolutionary attempts. However, one thing they are all saying is that the protesters are trying to win the military over to their side. From what I'm seeing, that makes sense.

 

[Valerie]

The zionist jews and their supporters here on the board do not care what happens to the people of Egypt or Yemen.

All they care about is Israel.

If the arabs have to live under brutal pro West/Israel sponsored dictators in order to protect Israel.

Then that's just too bad.