Diego Garcia

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I heard in the news that Great Britain plans to transfer sovereignty of Diego Garcia to Mauritius. I think this is a mistake that we—and future generations—may come to regret. I realize that, as developing countries go, Mauritius is relatively stable and not especially corrupt, but I don’t believe any developing country is guaranteed long‑term stability. Political conditions can change, and in the future they could decide to remove us or lease the base to a higher bidder, such as China.

That would put us at a serious strategic disadvantage, because there is no other base that can replace Diego Garcia. Strategically, it is extremely important—almost as important as Greenland—and losing it would significantly weaken our military posture. For that reason, I think Great Britain should reconsider and find a way to retain control of the base, even if we have to buy them out. I believe it would be worth it.

https://www.firstpost.com/explainers/trump-uk-diego-garcia-chagos-islands-mauritius-us-uk-military-base-13981583.html

 

[1srelluc]

I heard the other day that if the Brits **** it up (which they will given their recent history) the US will just take it over.

 

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I heard the other day that if the Brits **** it up (which they will given their recent history) the US will just take it over.

We may not have any choice but to do that. It really make us look bad in the eyes of the world. We're already unpopular enough as it is.

 

[luiza]

I heard in the news that Great Britain plans to transfer sovereignty of Diego Garcia to Mauritius. I think this is a mistake that we—and future generations—may come to regret. I realize that, as developing countries go, Mauritius is relatively stable and not especially corrupt, but I don’t believe any developing country is guaranteed long‑term stability. Political conditions can change, and in the future they could decide to remove us or lease the base to a higher bidder, such as China.

That would put us at a serious strategic disadvantage, because there is no other base that can replace Diego Garcia. Strategically, it is extremely important—almost as important as Greenland—and losing it would significantly weaken our military posture. For that reason, I think Great Britain should reconsider and find a way to retain control of the base, even if we have to buy them out. I believe it would be worth it.

Just Deflection to distract you from realising that it is central to the US and that the US will never relinquish effective full control .

As long as planes can reach the Strait of Hormuz from there, it will remain a top secret base .
Let alone for separate Bio Labs Conspiracy ideas and assertions that it is one of the homes for off planet allies and weapons development in conjunction with the US .

 

[JWBooth]

I heard in the news that Great Britain plans to transfer sovereignty of Diego Garcia to Mauritius. I think this is a mistake that we—and future generations—may come to regret. I realize that, as developing countries go, Mauritius is relatively stable and not especially corrupt, but I don’t believe any developing country is guaranteed long‑term stability. Political conditions can change, and in the future they could decide to remove us or lease the base to a higher bidder, such as China.

That would put us at a serious strategic disadvantage, because there is no other base that can replace Diego Garcia. Strategically, it is extremely important—almost as important as Greenland—and losing it would significantly weaken our military posture. For that reason, I think Great Britain should reconsider and find a way to retain control of the base, even if we have to buy them out. I believe it would be worth it.

https://www.firstpost.com/explainers/trump-uk-diego-garcia-chagos-islands-mauritius-us-uk-military-base-13981583.html

Generations of Brit military with fond memories of DG and that Jenny.

 

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Generations of Brit military with fond memories of DG and that Jenny.

The main advantage of Diego Garcia is clear: it’s distant enough to make retaliation difficult for our adversaries, but close enough for us to strike with ease. That combination gives it a strategic value that’s hard to overstate.

 

[Deadstick]

Some people talk as if the Chagos Islands are not stolen property, the French were the first to steal them then the British were given the stolen property after the Napolionic wars, they were originally part of Mauritius, so it would be a case of returning those Islands to their owner, in the 1960s we ethnically cleansed the area and gave Diego Garcia to the Americans, you people just love Colonialism.

 

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Some people talk as if the Chagos Islands are not stolen property, the French were the first to steal them then the British were given the stolen property after the Napolionic wars, they were originally part of Mauritius, so it would be a case of returning those Islands to their owner, in the 1960s we ethnically cleansed the area and gave Diego Garcia to the Americans, you people just love Colonialism.

No one lived on Diego Garcia when the French arrived. The Portuguese discovered the islands, but the French established the first settlements. So if the French were the first people to live on the islands, they were the original inhabitants.

But if Europeans aren’t considered the “first people” on Diego Garcia, then by that logic Europeans aren’t the original people of Europe either.

So what exactly do Europeans own?

There’s an old saying: “What’s yours is yours, and what’s mine is negotiable.”

Is that how it works?

And I understand the argument that a community later grew on the island and was eventually removed. But simply having a community living somewhere does not automatically give that community sovereign ownership of the territory. The Chinese have many long‑established communities in the United States, but Chinatowns are not considered Chinese sovereign territory, and China cannot claim them as such. The same principle applies here: the presence of a settled population does not, by itself, transfer sovereignty.

Since they have no sovereign right to the territory, the only thing they are entitled to is the value of their private property. They can be compensated for that through cash payments, and if the original compensation was unfair, it can be corrected with additional monetary compensation.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

No one lived on Diego Garcia when the French arrived. The Portuguese discovered the islands, but the French established the first settlements. So if the French were the first people to live on the islands, they were the original inhabitants.

But if Europeans aren’t considered the “first people” on Diego Garcia, then by that logic Europeans aren’t the original people of Europe either.

So what exactly do Europeans own?

There’s an old saying: “What’s yours is yours, and what’s mine is negotiable.”

Is that how it works?

And I understand the argument that a community later grew on the island and was eventually removed. But simply having a community living somewhere does not automatically give that community sovereign ownership of the territory. The Chinese have many long‑established communities in the United States, but Chinatowns are not considered Chinese sovereign territory, and China cannot claim them as such. The same principle applies here: the presence of a settled population does not, by itself, transfer sovereignty.

Since they have no sovereign right to the territory, the only thing they are entitled to is the value of their private property. They can be compensated for that through cash payments, and if the original compensation was unfair, it can be corrected with additional monetary compensation.

Have you ever looked at Diego Garcia? Other than the base, there is nothing there! It can be anything else because it is the size of a postage stamp.

 

[Mac-7]

Have you ever looked at Diego Garcia? Other than the base, there is nothing there! It can be anything else because it is the size of a postage stamp.
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Its a very strategic postage stamp

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Its a very strategic postage stamp

True. Never said otherwise, but there is nothing else there!

 

[22lcidw]

Some people talk as if the Chagos Islands are not stolen property, the French were the first to steal them then the British were given the stolen property after the Napolionic wars, they were originally part of Mauritius, so it would be a case of returning those Islands to their owner, in the 1960s we ethnically cleansed the area and gave Diego Garcia to the Americans, you people just love Colonialism.

Greenland is part of North America. It is ours. Endowed to us by our posterity. And yet Denmark owns it.

 

[Deadstick]

Greenland is part of North America. It is ours. Endowed to us by our posterity. And yet Denmark owns it.

 

[Deadstick]

No one lived on Diego Garcia when the French arrived. The Portuguese discovered the islands, but the French established the first settlements. So if the French were the first people to live on the islands, they were the original inhabitants.

But if Europeans aren’t considered the “first people” on Diego Garcia, then by that logic Europeans aren’t the original people of Europe either.

So what exactly do Europeans own?

There’s an old saying: “What’s yours is yours, and what’s mine is negotiable.”

Is that how it works?

And I understand the argument that a community later grew on the island and was eventually removed. But simply having a community living somewhere does not automatically give that community sovereign ownership of the territory. The Chinese have many long‑established communities in the United States, but Chinatowns are not considered Chinese sovereign territory, and China cannot claim them as such. The same principle applies here: the presence of a settled population does not, by itself, transfer sovereignty.

Since they have no sovereign right to the territory, the only thing they are entitled to is the value of their private property. They can be compensated for that through cash payments, and if the original compensation was unfair, it can be corrected with additional monetary compensation.

The Chagos isn't just Diego Garcia, many people were thrown off those Islands and still can't go back.

 

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The Chagos isn't just Diego Garcia, many people were thrown off those Islands and still can't go back.

FDR did something similar in the 1930s in the Tennessee Valley. Those people couldn’t go back to their homes either. They may have had a community there, but so do the Chinese in the United States. Yet America’s Chinatowns are not sovereign territory of China, and neither is Diego Garcia sovereign territory of the Chagossians. The only thing they are entitled to is the value of their private property. If the original compensation was unfair, that can be corrected with additional payments.

Diego Garcia is vital to the security of the United States, Britain, and the wider Western world. That is what the issue ultimately comes down to. Are you opposed to the security interests of the West? Do you support empowering rival powers such as China, Russia, or Iran?

 

[eagle1462010]

It is a strategic place that we need to keep using. As a port of call it sucked.

 

[Deadstick]

FDR did something similar in the 1930s in the Tennessee Valley. Those people couldn’t go back to their homes either. They may have had a community there, but so do the Chinese in the United States. Yet America’s Chinatowns are not sovereign territory of China, and neither is Diego Garcia sovereign territory of the Chagossians. The only thing they are entitled to is the value of their private property. If the original compensation was unfair, that can be corrected with additional payments.

Diego Garcia is vital to the security of the United States, Britain, and the wider Western world. That is what the issue ultimately comes down to. Are you opposed to the security interests of the West? Do you support empowering rival powers such as China, Russia, or Iran?

What i don't support is taking other peoples land at the other side of the world and saying we need it for security, Trump has used that bullshit with Greenland.