Candycorn's Plan To (sort of) Fix the Bowl System

[candycorn]

Its sort of wrong for me to weigh in on this. I personally don't think that state universities should be spending money on such things. The income made from the spectacle of major conference football doesn't seem to be lowering tuition rates for the citizens of the states, the injuries to the players can be life altering, and the alleged benefit of the sports to the student athletes is dubious at best.

That being said, it doesn't look like college sports are going away any time soon so lets look at the bowl games. First you need a governing body. The only one that will please all the stakeholders is an MLB model to where the commissioner is a puppet of the commissioned. MLB has proven that such an inherently unstable relationship can work as long as they all lean on one another and nobody budges; an aire of self-policing takes hold. There is no governing body in college sports any longer. The real power is the conferences and the broadcast contracts. As long as they understand they need one another to survive, it remains stable. Nothing, however, prevents the SEC from recruiting Ohio State. When that sort of "eating of the young" takes place, the whole system implodes.

Once you have a governing body, you take the bowl system and divide it into four. There are kick-off classics, there are in-season tournaments, standard bowl games then playoff bowl games.

1. Kick Off Classics: Take another 5 bowls (any ones) and convert them to Kick Off Classics. "The Music City Kick Off Classic". They would be based on pre-season rankings. One plays ten, two plays eight, etc.... Five compelling match-ups at the beginning of every season.
2. In-season Tournaments. These would be hard to do under the current structure but some will be organic. For example, the "Florida Citrus Bowl" can become the "Florida Citrus Classic" matching up Miami, Florida State, Florida, and possibly a fourth team in Florida. The three or four teams all play one another in the season. The outright winner 4-0, wins the trophy. If there is a tie, you go to point differential. I think you could possibly have 6-8 of these during the season. There are no extra games...you just award the trophy for accumulated victories over select opponents. It gives the bettors something else to gamble on.
3. Standard Bowl Games. Limit them to 10-12 games for schools with winning records that didn't make the play off.
4. Playoff Bowl Games: Take the 6 bowls that are usually recognized as being the "important ones", Rose, Cotton, Sugar, Fiesta, Orange, Peach. Rotate them through being the quarter finals, semi finals, and ultimately the championship game.

 

[IM2]

Its sort of wrong for me to weigh in on this. I personally don't think that state universities should be spending money on such things. The income made from the spectacle of major conference football doesn't seem to be lowering tuition rates for the citizens of the states, the injuries to the players can be life altering, and the alleged benefit of the sports to the student athletes is dubious at best.

That being said, it doesn't look like college sports are going away any time soon so lets look at the bowl games. First you need a governing body. The only one that will please all the stakeholders is an MLB model to where the commissioner is a puppet of the commissioned. MLB has proven that such an inherently unstable relationship can work as long as they all lean on one another and nobody budges; an aire of self-policing takes hold. There is no governing body in college sports any longer. The real power is the conferences and the broadcast contracts. As long as they understand they need one another to survive, it remains stable. Nothing, however, prevents the SEC from recruiting Ohio State. When that sort of "eating of the young" takes place, the whole system implodes.

Once you have a governing body, you take the bowl system and divide it into four. There are kick-off classics, there are in-season tournaments, standard bowl games then playoff bowl games.

1. Kick Off Classics: Take another 5 bowls (any ones) and convert them to Kick Off Classics. "The Music City Kick Off Classic". They would be based on pre-season rankings. One plays ten, two plays eight, etc.... Five compelling match-ups at the beginning of every season.
2. In-season Tournaments. These would be hard to do under the current structure but some will be organic. For example, the "Florida Citrus Bowl" can become the "Florida Citrus Classic" matching up Miami, Florida State, Florida, and possibly a fourth team in Florida. The three or four teams all play one another in the season. The outright winner 4-0, wins the trophy. If there is a tie, you go to point differential. I think you could possibly have 6-8 of these during the season. There are no extra games...you just award the trophy for accumulated victories over select opponents. It gives the bettors something else to gamble on.
3. Standard Bowl Games. Limit them to 10-12 games for schools with winning records that didn't make the play off.
4. Playoff Bowl Games: Take the 6 bowls that are usually recognized as being the "important ones", Rose, Cotton, Sugar, Fiesta, Orange, Peach. Rotate them through being the quarter finals, semi finals, and ultimately the championship game.

The money from sports goes to the athletic departments. They help pay for the scholarships of the athletes, equipment, insurance, coaches' and trainers' salaries, etc. All other divisions in college football have playoffs, and there is no problem. That includes Division 3, where no athletic scholarships are provided.

 

[Votto]

Its sort of wrong for me to weigh in on this. I personally don't think that state universities should be spending money on such things. The income made from the spectacle of major conference football doesn't seem to be lowering tuition rates for the citizens of the states, the injuries to the players can be life altering, and the alleged benefit of the sports to the student athletes is dubious at best.

That being said, it doesn't look like college sports are going away any time soon so lets look at the bowl games. First you need a governing body. The only one that will please all the stakeholders is an MLB model to where the commissioner is a puppet of the commissioned. MLB has proven that such an inherently unstable relationship can work as long as they all lean on one another and nobody budges; an aire of self-policing takes hold. There is no governing body in college sports any longer. The real power is the conferences and the broadcast contracts. As long as they understand they need one another to survive, it remains stable. Nothing, however, prevents the SEC from recruiting Ohio State. When that sort of "eating of the young" takes place, the whole system implodes.

Once you have a governing body, you take the bowl system and divide it into four. There are kick-off classics, there are in-season tournaments, standard bowl games then playoff bowl games.

1. Kick Off Classics: Take another 5 bowls (any ones) and convert them to Kick Off Classics. "The Music City Kick Off Classic". They would be based on pre-season rankings. One plays ten, two plays eight, etc.... Five compelling match-ups at the beginning of every season.
2. In-season Tournaments. These would be hard to do under the current structure but some will be organic. For example, the "Florida Citrus Bowl" can become the "Florida Citrus Classic" matching up Miami, Florida State, Florida, and possibly a fourth team in Florida. The three or four teams all play one another in the season. The outright winner 4-0, wins the trophy. If there is a tie, you go to point differential. I think you could possibly have 6-8 of these during the season. There are no extra games...you just award the trophy for accumulated victories over select opponents. It gives the bettors something else to gamble on.
3. Standard Bowl Games. Limit them to 10-12 games for schools with winning records that didn't make the play off.
4. Playoff Bowl Games: Take the 6 bowls that are usually recognized as being the "important ones", Rose, Cotton, Sugar, Fiesta, Orange, Peach. Rotate them through being the quarter finals, semi finals, and ultimately the championship game.

You are using MLB as the playbook by which all sports should model themselves?



MLB is an absolute disaster, with high salary teams dominating indefinitely. In fact, college football has more parity than MLB.

The off season moves by the Dodgers alone will guarantee them another World Series appearance

In fact, why not rename MLB to "Dodger ball"?

 

[Votto]

The money from sports goes to the athletic departments. They help pay for the scholarships of the athletes, equipment, insurance, coaches' and trainers' salaries, etc. All other divisions in college football have playoffs, and there is no problem. That includes Division 3, where no athletic scholarships are provided.

Candy thinks that all our problems can be fixed using centralized government, and disdains anyone making money other than the bloated rich fat cats like Nancy Pelosi Candy has zero problem with.

In other words, Candy is a halfwit.

 

[candycorn]

You are using MLB as the playbook by which all sports should model themselves?



MLB is an absolute disaster, with high salary teams dominating indefinitely.

In terms of the front office structure where the commissioner works for the teams instead of there being a “new sheriff in town”...they are likely the best.

In fact, college football has more parity than MLB.

Not exactly relevant to the point in the OP.

The off season moves by the Dodgers alone will guarantee them another World Series appearance

In fact, why not rename MLB to "Dodger ball"?

You sound bitter, confused, and frustrated. In otherwords, it’s a Monday.

 

[candycorn]

Candy thinks that all our problems can be fixed using centralized government, and disdains anyone making money other than the bloated rich fat cats like Nancy Pelosi Candy has zero problem with.

Nancy Pelosi?

Whatever....

The current bowl format (not to mention the bowl formats for about the last 20 years) currently yields very few compelling match-ups beyond the classic new years day games; and then those aren’t that compelling anymore with the playoff system.

 

[22lcidw]

Its sort of wrong for me to weigh in on this. I personally don't think that state universities should be spending money on such things. The income made from the spectacle of major conference football doesn't seem to be lowering tuition rates for the citizens of the states, the injuries to the players can be life altering, and the alleged benefit of the sports to the student athletes is dubious at best.

That being said, it doesn't look like college sports are going away any time soon so lets look at the bowl games. First you need a governing body. The only one that will please all the stakeholders is an MLB model to where the commissioner is a puppet of the commissioned. MLB has proven that such an inherently unstable relationship can work as long as they all lean on one another and nobody budges; an aire of self-policing takes hold. There is no governing body in college sports any longer. The real power is the conferences and the broadcast contracts. As long as they understand they need one another to survive, it remains stable. Nothing, however, prevents the SEC from recruiting Ohio State. When that sort of "eating of the young" takes place, the whole system implodes.

Once you have a governing body, you take the bowl system and divide it into four. There are kick-off classics, there are in-season tournaments, standard bowl games then playoff bowl games.

1. Kick Off Classics: Take another 5 bowls (any ones) and convert them to Kick Off Classics. "The Music City Kick Off Classic". They would be based on pre-season rankings. One plays ten, two plays eight, etc.... Five compelling match-ups at the beginning of every season.
2. In-season Tournaments. These would be hard to do under the current structure but some will be organic. For example, the "Florida Citrus Bowl" can become the "Florida Citrus Classic" matching up Miami, Florida State, Florida, and possibly a fourth team in Florida. The three or four teams all play one another in the season. The outright winner 4-0, wins the trophy. If there is a tie, you go to point differential. I think you could possibly have 6-8 of these during the season. There are no extra games...you just award the trophy for accumulated victories over select opponents. It gives the bettors something else to gamble on.
3. Standard Bowl Games. Limit them to 10-12 games for schools with winning records that didn't make the play off.
4. Playoff Bowl Games: Take the 6 bowls that are usually recognized as being the "important ones", Rose, Cotton, Sugar, Fiesta, Orange, Peach. Rotate them through being the quarter finals, semi finals, and ultimately the championship game.

You have to consider that the NCAA most likely will expand to 16 teams and perhaps 20 teams at some point in the playoffs.

 

[Couchpotato]

Nancy Pelosi?

Whatever....

The current bowl format (not to mention the bowl formats for about the last 20 years) currently yields very few compelling match-ups beyond the classic new years day games; and then those aren’t that compelling anymore with the playoff system.

The PO games that are played are less compelling than the BCS or past bowl games?

 

[candycorn]

The PO games that are played are less compelling than the BCS or past bowl games?

In service to the “Orange Bowl” actually meaning something...yes.

 

[Couchpotato]

In service to the “Orange Bowl” actually meaning something...yes.

What did the orange bowl “mean” before the BCS or PO’s?

 

[candycorn]

What did the orange bowl “mean” before the BCS or PO’s?

Often the winner was deemed to be the national champion--which was true of Sugar, Rose and Cotton as well.

 

[Couchpotato]

Often the winner was deemed to be the national champion--which was true of Sugar, Rose and Cotton as well.

Umm. How is the PO make that different? The PO games are alll “bowls”. But honestly even if they were t why should I as a fan give a shit what name they slap on the game? Call it the orange bowl or big huge stinky shit bowl all I care about is seeing the best teams play each other. The PO provides more of that

 

[candycorn]

Umm. How is the PO make that different? The PO games are alll “bowls”. But honestly even if they were t why should I as a fan give a shit what name they slap on the game? Call it the orange bowl or big huge stinky shit bowl all I care about is seeing the best teams play each other. The PO provides more of that

It will add some relevance to the bowls. As stated in the OP...the whole idea of college football is pretty repulsive to me when we spend so much tax money for these gladiator matches that often end up injuring the participants... I will agree with you that my plan sheds more light on the bowls insofar as changing from a 40 watt bulb to a 45 watt bulb sheds more light on corridor.

 

[Couchpotato]

It will add some relevance to the bowls. As stated in the OP...the whole idea of college football is pretty repulsive to me when we spend so much tax money for these gladiator matches that often end up injuring the participants... I will agree with you that my plan sheds more light on the bowls insofar as changing from a 40 watt bulb to a 45 watt bulb sheds more light on corridor.

I’m not sure how much tax money is spent on college football. If it is the electorate is fine with it. If I had to guess if you put a college football levy on the ballot it would pass in a landslide.

That said why is bowl relevance important? Is a game between UGA and OSU or Indiana vs OU more interesting because they call it the Rose Bowl or Cotton bowl? Would you rather see NE Iowa University play SE N Dakota state because it’s called the Orange bowl or Alabama play Texas A&M and it’s not a bowl?

 

[candycorn]

I’m not sure how much tax money is spent on college football. If it is the electorate is fine with it. If I had to guess if you put a college football levy on the ballot it would pass in a landslide.

Funding the university is definitely a matter of taxation.

Given that tuition is not going down after what, 20 years of billion dollar plus tv contracts, it's hard to see how this benefits the mother or father of a kid wanting to go to the university to become a teacher or an accountant. If it's not benefitting the taxpayers of the state...why have it?

As for the ballot initiative...it sure would.

That said why is bowl relevance important? Is a game between UGA and OSU or Indiana vs OU more interesting because they call it the Rose Bowl or Cotton bowl? Would you rather see NE Iowa University play SE N Dakota state because it’s called the Orange bowl or Alabama play Texas A&M and it’s not a bowl?

I think you're right. I'd expand the argument to "why is any of it important" but thats for another thread.

 

[Couchpotato]

Funding the university is definitely a matter of taxation.

Given that tuition is not going down after what, 20 years of billion dollar plus tv contracts, it's hard to see how this benefits the mother or father of a kid wanting to go to the university to become a teacher or an accountant. If it's not benefitting the taxpayers of the state...why have it?

As for the ballot initiative...it sure would.

I think you're right. I'd expand the argument to "why is any of it important" but thats for another thread.

Football programs not funding non football or other athletic programs isn’t the same thing as them taking taxpayer money to run their programs. I could be wrong but I don’t think the University of Texas football program uses taxpayer money to exist, but even if it does the people of Texas would happily support that expenditure.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

I think you're right. I'd expand the argument to "why is any of it important" but thats for another thread.

Bowl games or Football in general? I've gotta say, from what I can tell of your mindset on College Football, you sound like a dinosaur.

"Bowl games" as they used to exist are obsolete. You can call any playoff game whatever you want, or just nix the label altogether. The NFL calls them things like "The AFC Championship game"... and "The Super Bowl". We don't need bowl games.. at all.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Its sort of wrong for me to weigh in on this. I personally don't think that state universities should be spending money on such things. The income made from the spectacle of major conference football doesn't seem to be lowering tuition rates for the citizens of the states, the injuries to the players can be life altering, and the alleged benefit of the sports to the student athletes is dubious at best.

That being said, it doesn't look like college sports are going away any time soon so lets look at the bowl games. First you need a governing body. The only one that will please all the stakeholders is an MLB model to where the commissioner is a puppet of the commissioned. MLB has proven that such an inherently unstable relationship can work as long as they all lean on one another and nobody budges; an aire of self-policing takes hold. There is no governing body in college sports any longer. The real power is the conferences and the broadcast contracts. As long as they understand they need one another to survive, it remains stable. Nothing, however, prevents the SEC from recruiting Ohio State. When that sort of "eating of the young" takes place, the whole system implodes.

Once you have a governing body, you take the bowl system and divide it into four. There are kick-off classics, there are in-season tournaments, standard bowl games then playoff bowl games.

1. Kick Off Classics: Take another 5 bowls (any ones) and convert them to Kick Off Classics. "The Music City Kick Off Classic". They would be based on pre-season rankings. One plays ten, two plays eight, etc.... Five compelling match-ups at the beginning of every season.
2. In-season Tournaments. These would be hard to do under the current structure but some will be organic. For example, the "Florida Citrus Bowl" can become the "Florida Citrus Classic" matching up Miami, Florida State, Florida, and possibly a fourth team in Florida. The three or four teams all play one another in the season. The outright winner 4-0, wins the trophy. If there is a tie, you go to point differential. I think you could possibly have 6-8 of these during the season. There are no extra games...you just award the trophy for accumulated victories over select opponents. It gives the bettors something else to gamble on.
3. Standard Bowl Games. Limit them to 10-12 games for schools with winning records that didn't make the play off.
4. Playoff Bowl Games: Take the 6 bowls that are usually recognized as being the "important ones", Rose, Cotton, Sugar, Fiesta, Orange, Peach. Rotate them through being the quarter finals, semi finals, and ultimately the championship game.

Here's what ought to happen...

1. You can't "fix" the Bowl System, because the bowl system is unnecessary. Teams are are bowing out of bowl game bids. The only reason they should happen is if both teams make money off of it, and that could be less and less likely due to all the attention being on the CFP bracket. The only way "bowls" can still exist as far as meaning anything is by label only, and by assigning them to CFP playoff games. They become hollow historical monuments, nothing more. Winning the "Rose Bowl" or "Orange Bowl" has no meaning in itself, it's only a fluffy label on a CFP semi-final game or championship game.

2. Eliminate the Conference championship games, those are also obsolete. Add another game to the regular season schedule in conference

3. Eliminate 3 out of conference games, and only have 1 OOC game and add 2 in-conference games.

4. Stay with 12 teams in the CFP, but lose the G5 DEI smaller teams (such as Tulane and James Madison this year)... the NCAA is trying to channel the March Madness spirit, but that doesn't work in football. Teams like Oregon will beat teams like James Madison 10 out of 10 times.

 

[Mashmont]

Its sort of wrong for me to weigh in on this. I personally don't think that state universities should be spending money on such things. The income made from the spectacle of major conference football doesn't seem to be lowering tuition rates for the citizens of the states, the injuries to the players can be life altering, and the alleged benefit of the sports to the student athletes is dubious at best.

That being said, it doesn't look like college sports are going away any time soon so lets look at the bowl games. First you need a governing body. The only one that will please all the stakeholders is an MLB model to where the commissioner is a puppet of the commissioned. MLB has proven that such an inherently unstable relationship can work as long as they all lean on one another and nobody budges; an aire of self-policing takes hold. There is no governing body in college sports any longer. The real power is the conferences and the broadcast contracts. As long as they understand they need one another to survive, it remains stable. Nothing, however, prevents the SEC from recruiting Ohio State. When that sort of "eating of the young" takes place, the whole system implodes.

Once you have a governing body, you take the bowl system and divide it into four. There are kick-off classics, there are in-season tournaments, standard bowl games then playoff bowl games.

1. Kick Off Classics: Take another 5 bowls (any ones) and convert them to Kick Off Classics. "The Music City Kick Off Classic". They would be based on pre-season rankings. One plays ten, two plays eight, etc.... Five compelling match-ups at the beginning of every season.
2. In-season Tournaments. These would be hard to do under the current structure but some will be organic. For example, the "Florida Citrus Bowl" can become the "Florida Citrus Classic" matching up Miami, Florida State, Florida, and possibly a fourth team in Florida. The three or four teams all play one another in the season. The outright winner 4-0, wins the trophy. If there is a tie, you go to point differential. I think you could possibly have 6-8 of these during the season. There are no extra games...you just award the trophy for accumulated victories over select opponents. It gives the bettors something else to gamble on.
3. Standard Bowl Games. Limit them to 10-12 games for schools with winning records that didn't make the play off.
4. Playoff Bowl Games: Take the 6 bowls that are usually recognized as being the "important ones", Rose, Cotton, Sugar, Fiesta, Orange, Peach. Rotate them through being the quarter finals, semi finals, and ultimately the championship game.

The only place socialism is good is in a small closed system where everybody participates. It’s bad for countries, but necessary for sports leagues. Without it, small market teams are at a severe disadvantage. When one player on the Dodgers earns more than entire teams, that’s a problem. You can talk about farm systems and great organizations, but an 800,000 market will always get fewer dollars than a 15 million market.