Amazing how the ridiculous Yuval/Guardian/972mag false idea about: "civilians" which actuality includes 25,000 terrorists - still cited

[Pastelli]

The problem isn't just that the general Guardian/972mag are long tne Israelophibes.
The very stupid assumption that since they only saw 9,000 NAMES, everyone else is "automatically" a civilians... LOL

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'The Media’s Latest Blood Libel: How Distorted Data Turns Terrorists into “Civilians”'.
Sharon Levy, 'Honest Reporting', August 24, 2025.
"A joint +972 Magazine, Guardian, and Local Call article manufactured and inflated civilian casualty numbers, claiming 83% of deaths are so called "civilians".
The article does not acknowledge that Hamas terrorists embed themselves in the civilian population, disguising themselves as such and making it challenging to determine the exact number of terrorists killed."
[The Media’s Latest Blood Libel: How Distorted Data Turns Terrorists into "Civilians" ]


An August 24, 2025, article by Sharon Levy dismantles a joint "report" by +972 Magazine, The Guardian, and Local Call claiming 83% [sic] of Gaza deaths since October 7, 2023, were supppsedly "civilians." The report used Hamas’ 53,000 death toll (May 2025) and subtracted only 8,900 IDF-confirmed terrorist deaths, labeling the rest civilians.

Key flaws identified:

• The 8,900 figure is only positively identified terrorists; thousands more are under review or unidentified.
• Hamas fighters blend with civilians, wear no uniforms, and include new recruits not on IDF lists.
• Other militant groups and unaffiliated combatants are excluded.
• Hamas’ numbers are disputed and often inflated for propaganda.

Updated figures (at the time August 2025):

• Hamas claims 62,000 total deaths.
• IDF estimates >22,000 terrorists killed.
• Even accepting Hamas’ count, the civilian:combatant ratio is ~2:1 — far below the UN urban warfare average of 9:1.

The author points out the 83% civilian claim is misleading, ignores guerrilla tactics, and falsely accuses Israel of genocide while the IDF demonstrates precision by tracking confirmed kills.

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By Oct 2025, the estimated combatants killed were at about 25,000.
Trump says Hamas has until Sunday evening to accept Gaza peace proposal or 'all hell' will 'break out'
3 Oct 2025 — The president claimed 25,000 members of Hamas have been killed following the militant group's Oct. 7, 2023, terrorist attack on Israel

 

[kyzina]

Terrorism numbers are inflated.


Excerpts:
The vast majority, then, of what is now commonly being tallied as terrorism has occurred in war zones. This is especially true for fatalities.8 But to a considerable degree, this is the result of a more expansive application since 9/11 of standard definitions of terrorism, to the point where virtually any violence perpetrated by rebels in civil wars is now being called terrorism.9


The confusion can be seen currently when ISIS is commonly labeled a band of terrorists, even though it occupies territory, runs social services, and regularly confronts armed soldiers in direct combat. In any armed conflict before the current century, that would be called an insurgency.20 In the civil war in Syria, the United States brands those fighting the government of Bashar Al-Assad to its own convenience: ISIS fighters are deemed to be “terrorists” while those insurgents approved by the United States are labeled the “moderate opposition.” Assad himself is more consistent, if equally self-serving: any violent opposition to a sitting government, he says, is “terrorism.”21Assad’s perspective, one that has become increasingly popular since 9/11, would allow us to retire the concept of “civil war” just about entirely.


as much as one-tenth the damage. If one wishes to embrace the broader definition of terrorism that had been used before 9/11 but effectively took hold after it, a huge number of violent endeavors that had previously been called wars would have to be recategorized. This would include, for example, the decadelong conflict in Algeria in the 1990s in which perhaps 100,000 people perished. And so would most “primitive warfare,” which, like irregular warfare more generally, substantially relies on raids rather than on set-piece battles. This is particularly the case when, as in the widely-accepted LaFree, Laqueur, Hoffman, and Stohl definitions, violence by sub-state or non-state or subnational elements against military targets is not differentiated from their violence against civilians. Indeed, the concept of civil war might have to be retired almost entirely.19


This process can be taken a step further. Stohl’s definition is, in his words, “actorneutral,” and he points out that terrorism, as he sees it, is very frequently committed by states, as well as by “non-state actors” (Stohl 2012). If that element of the definition is adjusted, the entire category of “war,” including those of the international variety, could substantially vanish. Almost all disciplined violence with a policy or ideological goal would become terrorism. Indeed, points out military historian Matthew Waxman, in war, “punishment of civilians is a commonly used strategy of coercion.”2


Although even knuckle-heads can occasionally do damage, there is something quite spooky about expanding the definition of terrorism so that it threatens to embrace all violent behavior that is directed at an ideological or policy goal, about imagining terrorists to be everywhere, about extrapolating wildly to conclude that many are omni-competent masterminds, and about acting like their press agent by flaunting and exaggerating their often-pathetic schemes to do damage. The result has been a misoverestimation of terrorism’s importance and impact. Moreover, the persistent exaggeration of the capacities of terrorists has the perverse effect of glorifying the terrorist enterprise in the minds of many of its practitioners. Marc Sageman argues that to effectively counter terrorism, efforts should be made to reduce the glory from terrorism by treating terrorists more like common criminals—although this would mean, he points out, putting a stop to press conferences in which officials “hold self-congratulatory celebrations of their newest victories in the ‘war on terror’.” He stresses that to allow officials to “exploit the issue of terrorism for political gain is counterproductive.”102



https://politicalscience.osu.edu/faculty/jmueller/UCSBpaper.pdf

 

[Pastelli]

Terrorism numbers are inflated.

Among (pro Islamofascism) Hondo 50 usernames:

(Some are removed already).

• Dean F (with Hitler worshipping Aug 18, 2024), is also:
• yeh (Aug 29. 2024. Previously with a photo of his Adolf Hitler as an avatar. Here under "yeh" denies the Holocaust).
• todd down under (Here he tries 2 accounts to talk to each other) (Sep 15, 2024);
• Hondo 50 (Sep 18, 2024);
• lech (Oct 13, 2024);
• log cabin republican (Aug 4, 2024);
• roderick (Aug 10, 2024);
• annalise (Dec 8. 2024);
• Davebb (Jan 11, 2025) and
• No Way (Jan 26, 2025).
• S.S. another hint in liking the Nazis, (Feb 6, 2025).
• stockhome (Feb 11, 2025)
• john finally retired (Apr 10, 2025);
• apolitical (Apr 13, 2025);
• stevez (Apr 14, 2025).
• Topeka (Apr 22, 2025) created only to defend his exposed other accounts)
• notyankee (July 29, 2025) (Defends his Muhammad, and Glorifies Hitler via invented "theories").
• Maj (Aug 1, 2025) [posing as a "jew"]
• charlottebronte666 (Aug 13, 2025) [defending his Islam and belittles the holocaust (like using the label "auschwitz" on genocidal Hamas' Gaza human shield regime) via "pro palestine"]
  
  
  Kyzina (Aug 20, 2025)
  
• john u (Sep 7, 2025);
• cowboy fan (Sep 12, 2025)
• he just circle K (Sep 12, 2025)
• lith leo (Sep 16, 2025)
• gold something (Sep 16, 2025) [posing as a "jew"]
• mex tex (Sep 18, 2025) [borrowing a "Mexican" pretense].
• Soul musician (Sep 20, 2025)
  
  
  stan ford 4 (Oct 25, 2025)
  
• Moro maquina (Oct 25, 2025)
  
  

Latest trick, this dozens of SP troll : he tries projection. The giveaway. Even via his very new accounts he tries to link the same one with another person.

 

[shockedcanadian]

The fog of war makes it difficult to deternine accurate, reliable and objective numbers. When the instinct is to always trust the Hamas-lead released numbers, you are just asking for false information and propaganda to be repeated. There are many radicals who consider Israel their.enemy and they don't want to be objective. The problem now is that.globally it is a numbers game and sadly, people are ostracized for supporting Israel and more broadly Judeo-Christian values. This doesn't bode well for the West and the fight isn't going to get any easier quite the contrary actually.

 

[Pastelli]

The fog of war makes it difficult to deternine accurate, reliable and objective numbers. When the instinct is to always trust the Hamas-lead released numbers, you are just asking for false information and propaganda to be repeated. There are many radicals who consider Israel their.enemy and they don't want to be objective. The problem now is that.globally it is a numbers game and sadly, people are ostracized for supporting Israel and more broadly Judeo-Christian values. This doesn't bode well for the West and the fight isn't going to get any easier quite the contrary actually.

I understand. See gazawood.com

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