Abbas abandons "Right of Return"

[Victory67]

Abbas: If Kerry's framework not satisfactory, PA will end talks, seek unilateral recognition | JPost | Israel News

The PA president said claims that he wanted the right of return for five million Palestinians were "a joke."

"I do not want to destroy Israel and no refugee will return to Israel without Israel's consent," he stated, adding that "I expect Israel to set quotas of the numbers of refugees it will absorb each year."





and there you have it. Palestine is not demanding the Right of Retun for millions of Arab refugees to Israel.

 

[toastman]

Abbas: If Kerry's framework not satisfactory, PA will end talks, seek unilateral recognition | JPost | Israel News

The PA president said claims that he wanted the right of return for five million Palestinians were "a joke."

"I do not want to destroy Israel and no refugee will return to Israel without Israel's consent," he stated, adding that "I expect Israel to set quotas of the numbers of refugees it will absorb each year."





and there you have it. Palestine is not demanding the Right of Retun for millions of Arab refugees to Israel.

Ok but there will never be ANY sort of right of return for Palestinians. Abbas and the Palestinians need to except that

 

[SAYIT]

Abbas: If Kerry's framework not satisfactory, PA will end talks, seek unilateral recognition | JPost | Israel News

The PA president said claims that he wanted the right of return for five million Palestinians were "a joke."

"I do not want to destroy Israel and no refugee will return to Israel without Israel's consent," he stated, adding that "I expect Israel to set quotas of the numbers of refugees it will absorb each year."

and there you have it. Palestine is not demanding the Right of Retun for millions of Arab refugees to Israel.

It's hard to tell which side of Abbas's mouth is telling the truth. As recently as this past January in a speech to a crowd of Jerusalem Palestinians he stated that he could not negotiate away the absolute right of Palestinian refugees and their descendants to return to sovereign Israel. Abbas, as so many pro-Pals here claim, is not Palestine.

Read more: Abbas hardens his stance on Palestinian 'right of return' | The Times of Israel Abbas hardens his stance on Palestinian 'right of return' | The Times of Israel

 

[proudveteran06]

Abbas: If Kerry's framework not satisfactory, PA will end talks, seek unilateral recognition | JPost | Israel News

The PA president said claims that he wanted the right of return for five million Palestinians were "a joke."

"I do not want to destroy Israel and no refugee will return to Israel without Israel's consent," he stated, adding that "I expect Israel to set quotas of the numbers of refugees it will absorb each year."

and there you have it. Palestine is not demanding the Right of Retun for millions of Arab refugees to Israel.

It's hard to tell which side of Abbas's mouth is telling the truth. As recently as this past January in a speech to a crowd of Jerusalem Palestinians he stated that he could not negotiate away the absolute right of Palestinian refugees and their descendants to return to sovereign Israel. Abbas, as so many pro-Pals here claim, is not Palestine.

Read more: Abbas hardens his stance on Palestinian 'right of return' | The Times of Israel Abbas hardens his stance on Palestinian 'right of return' | The Times of Israel

This is something I have posted many times before. However,the poster has a problem with reading comphrension

 

[SAYIT]

Abbas: If Kerry's framework not satisfactory, PA will end talks, seek unilateral recognition | JPost | Israel News

The PA president said claims that he wanted the right of return for five million Palestinians were "a joke."

"I do not want to destroy Israel and no refugee will return to Israel without Israel's consent," he stated, adding that "I expect Israel to set quotas of the numbers of refugees it will absorb each year."

and there you have it. Palestine is not demanding the Right of Retun for millions of Arab refugees to Israel.

It's hard to tell which side of Abbas's mouth is telling the truth. As recently as this past January in a speech to a crowd of Jerusalem Palestinians he stated that he could not negotiate away the absolute right of Palestinian refugees and their descendants to return to sovereign Israel. Abbas, as so many pro-Pals here claim, is not Palestine.

Read more: Abbas hardens his stance on Palestinian 'right of return' | The Times of Israel Abbas hardens his stance on Palestinian 'right of return' | The Times of Israel

This is something I have posted many times before. However,the poster has a problem with reading comphrension

There are numerous incidents of Abbas's duplicity ... something he learned from Arafat.
The anti-Israel poster in question, like most of his kind, is simply unable to accept facts and is addicted to the smell of camel crap.

 

[aris2chat]

Abbas: If Kerry's framework not satisfactory, PA will end talks, seek unilateral recognition | JPost | Israel News

The PA president said claims that he wanted the right of return for five million Palestinians were "a joke."

"I do not want to destroy Israel and no refugee will return to Israel without Israel's consent," he stated, adding that "I expect Israel to set quotas of the numbers of refugees it will absorb each year."





and there you have it. Palestine is not demanding the Right of Retun for millions of Arab refugees to Israel.

Hamas is, and without unity there is no possibility of peace agreement

 

[proudveteran06]

It's hard to tell which side of Abbas's mouth is telling the truth. As recently as this past January in a speech to a crowd of Jerusalem Palestinians he stated that he could not negotiate away the absolute right of Palestinian refugees and their descendants to return to sovereign Israel. Abbas, as so many pro-Pals here claim, is not Palestine.

Read more: Abbas hardens his stance on Palestinian 'right of return' | The Times of Israel Abbas hardens his stance on Palestinian 'right of return' | The Times of Israel

This is something I have posted many times before. However,the poster has a problem with reading comphrension

There are numerous incidents of Abbas's duplicity ... something he learned from Arafat.
The anti-Israel poster in question, like most of his kind, is simply unable to accept facts and is addicted to the smell of camel crap.

Palestinians make stiff land demands for peace deal | The Times of Israel

This is what the " genius" said about the Times of Israel


Victory67
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Quote: Originally Posted by proudveteran06 http://www.usmessageboard.com/israe...ees-must-return-to-israel-10.html#post8696953
he Palestinian Authority demands that any land swap with Israel as part of a peace deal not exceed 1.9 percent of the West Bank, less than half of the land necessary to incorporate the lion’s share of settlers, according to details leaked to Channel 2 by a disgruntled Palestinian official on Sunday.

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According to the report, the Palestinians are also insisting that they gain control over water, and control at their sides of the Dead Sea and border crossings; that a Palestinian state be able to sign agreements with other states without Israeli intervention; that Israel release all Palestinian prisoners it holds; and that all Palestinian refugees and their descendants be granted the right to choose to live in Israel or the Palestinian territories as part of a final agreement.

The majority of posters do not have a problem with reading comphrension but those that do we should feel sorry for
a rumor from an unnamed Palestinian "official" given to a tv station, given to an internet newspaper that is barely two years old?

sorry, but you're going to have to try harder than 4th hand rumors.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Abbas: If Kerry's framework not satisfactory, PA will end talks, seek unilateral recognition | JPost | Israel News

The PA president said claims that he wanted the right of return for five million Palestinians were "a joke."

"I do not want to destroy Israel and no refugee will return to Israel without Israel's consent," he stated, adding that "I expect Israel to set quotas of the numbers of refugees it will absorb each year."


and there you have it. Palestine is not demanding the Right of Retun for millions of Arab refugees to Israel.

Abbas is not Palestine. He is irrelevant.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Abbas: If Kerry's framework not satisfactory, PA will end talks, seek unilateral recognition | JPost | Israel News

The PA president said claims that he wanted the right of return for five million Palestinians were "a joke."

"I do not want to destroy Israel and no refugee will return to Israel without Israel's consent," he stated, adding that "I expect Israel to set quotas of the numbers of refugees it will absorb each year."


and there you have it. Palestine is not demanding the Right of Retun for millions of Arab refugees to Israel.

Abbas is not Palestine. He is irrelevant.

That's like saying Obama is not America or Merkel is not Germany. Leaders speak on behalf of the nations they represent.

 

[JakeStarkey]

there will never be ANY sort of right of return for Palestinians

 

[P F Tinmore]

Abbas: If Kerry's framework not satisfactory, PA will end talks, seek unilateral recognition | JPost | Israel News

The PA president said claims that he wanted the right of return for five million Palestinians were "a joke."

"I do not want to destroy Israel and no refugee will return to Israel without Israel's consent," he stated, adding that "I expect Israel to set quotas of the numbers of refugees it will absorb each year."


and there you have it. Palestine is not demanding the Right of Retun for millions of Arab refugees to Israel.

Abbas is not Palestine. He is irrelevant.

That's like saying Obama is not America or Merkel is not Germany. Leaders speak on behalf of the nations they represent.

Does Obama represent you? He does not represent me.

 

[Indeependent]

Any representative of Muslims is living on a tightrope.
Say the right things and pilfer the Humantarian Funds.
Say the wrong things in Arabic and be assassinated.
It's NOT an easy situation to be in.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Abbas is not Palestine. He is irrelevant.

That's like saying Obama is not America or Merkel is not Germany. Leaders speak on behalf of the nations they represent.

Does Obama represent you? He does not represent me.

Well, I don't agree with alot of his policies, but he was duly elected by a majority of the people in this nation. Jewish tradition teaches that we should give honor and respect to the leaders and royals of nations, whoever is in charge at a given time.

Even Moses and Aaron gave respect to the wicked Pharaoh of Egypt.

 

[proudveteran06]

Abbas is not Palestine. He is irrelevant.

That's like saying Obama is not America or Merkel is not Germany. Leaders speak on behalf of the nations they represent.

Does Obama represent you? He does not represent me.

Yes he does. Unfortunately he represents all of us whether we like it or not. That is irrelevant. Israel is not going to agree to anything that will deprive them of their most religious sites and will either immediately or eventually annex them to the Palestinian State.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Anything or anyone that doesn't agree with your vantage point, you call "irrelevant."

Explain to me who is relevant and who speaks for the State of Palestine?

Abbas is not Palestine. He is irrelevant.

(OBSERVATIONS - WHAT DOES PALESTINE SAY?)

Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research (PSR)

Poll #48: While less than a third of the public views the Palestinian Authority as an accomplishment, and while half describes their leadership as a failed one, and while 80% thinks the West Bank-Gaza Strip split is permanent or long term, support for a confederation with Jordan rises; and while the public rejects Kerry’s ideas for return to negotiations without pre-conditions, a large majority supports going to the International Criminal Court in order to stop settlement expansion even if such a step leads to PA collapse 13-15 June 2013

• Press Release

Poll #49: Palestinian public is spilt regarding the resumption of direct negotiations with Israel and pessimistic regarding the chances for success, but if the talks do lead to a peace agreement, the public believes that a majority of the Palestinians will approve it in a referendum 19-21 September 2013

• Poll In PDF Format. Pdf format

Poll #50:While half of the public favors negotiations with Israel, three quarters reject a permanent settlement if it includes a 10-year transitional phase during which the Israeli army remains deployed in the Jordan Valley; and while fewer people believe that Hamas’ way is the best way to end occupation and build a state, satisfaction with the performance of Abbas and Hamdallah increases and more people believe that Abbas’ is the best way - 19-22 December 2013

• Press Release
  
• Poll In PDF Format. Pdf format

(COMMENT)

Many outside observers believe that the Palestinians will shoot themselves in the foot by setting the conditions that will cause the State of Palestine to collapse. Even a few Palestinians believe that the excessive delay in achieving a negotiated settlement, and the unreasonable expectations of the Palestinians, will gradually trigger the fall of the Palestinian Governments (both Gaza and West Bank).

Main Findings in PSR Polls:

• Moreover, less than a third believes that a Palestinian state will be established in the next five years. In fact, a majority, while continuing to support the two-state solution, believes that it has become impractical due to settlement expansion. Perhaps for these reasons half of the public believes that its leadership from the beginnings has been a failed one.
  
• The public is also opposed to several alternatives to negotiations such as return to an armed intifada, dissolution of the PA, and abandonment of the two-state solution in favor of one-state solution. But the public supports going to international organizations, especially to the International Criminal Court (ICC), despite its fears that such a step would bring about financial sanctions and the perhaps the collapse of the PA.
  
  • • Only 17% believe that unity between the West Bank and the Gaza Strip will soon be restored.
  • • 47% say that ending the split requires the downfall of the regime in the two areas of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip or at least in one of the two areas.
  • • 74% believe that reconciliation will not succeed as long as restrictions are imposed on Hamas members in the West Bank and Fatah members in the Gaza Strip.
  • • 28% believe that the re-elections of Khalid Mishaal as head of Hamas will speed up the process of reconciliation and 22% believe it will have the opposite effect.
  • • 72% support and 24% oppose going to the ICC despite fears that the step will lead to imposition of financial sanctions and PA collapse.

I'm not sure that the Palestinians have all that much more confidence in either HAMAS or Fatah as to leadership.

Findings show that the Palestinian public is divided almost equally over President’s Abbas’ decision to resume direct bilateral negotiations with Israel. Moreover, despite the vital importance attached by the public to the issue of prisoners’ release, a larger percentage gives greater priority to the two combined issues of the 1967 borders and settlement freeze. Furthermore, the lack of enthusiasm for return to negotiations seems to be driven by the belief of a large majority that the current round of talks will fail just like previous rounds. But if negotiations do succeed and an agreement is reached, the public believes that a majority of the Palestinians will approve it in a referendum.​

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[proudveteran06]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Anything or anyone that doesn't agree with your vantage point, you call "irrelevant."

Explain to me who is relevant and who speaks for the State of Palestine?

Abbas is not Palestine. He is irrelevant.

(OBSERVATIONS - WHAT DOES PALESTINE SAY?)

Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research (PSR)

Poll #48: While less than a third of the public views the Palestinian Authority as an accomplishment, and while half describes their leadership as a failed one, and while 80% thinks the West Bank-Gaza Strip split is permanent or long term, support for a confederation with Jordan rises; and while the public rejects Kerry’s ideas for return to negotiations without pre-conditions, a large majority supports going to the International Criminal Court in order to stop settlement expansion even if such a step leads to PA collapse 13-15 June 2013

• Press Release

Poll #49: Palestinian public is spilt regarding the resumption of direct negotiations with Israel and pessimistic regarding the chances for success, but if the talks do lead to a peace agreement, the public believes that a majority of the Palestinians will approve it in a referendum 19-21 September 2013

• Poll In PDF Format. Pdf format

Poll #50:While half of the public favors negotiations with Israel, three quarters reject a permanent settlement if it includes a 10-year transitional phase during which the Israeli army remains deployed in the Jordan Valley; and while fewer people believe that Hamas’ way is the best way to end occupation and build a state, satisfaction with the performance of Abbas and Hamdallah increases and more people believe that Abbas’ is the best way - 19-22 December 2013

• Press Release
  
• Poll In PDF Format. Pdf format

(COMMENT)

Many outside observers believe that the Palestinians will shoot themselves in the foot by setting the conditions that will cause the State of Palestine to collapse. Even a few Palestinians believe that the excessive delay in achieving a negotiated settlement, and the unreasonable expectations of the Palestinians, will gradually trigger the fall of the Palestinian Governments (both Gaza and West Bank).

Main Findings in PSR Polls:

• Moreover, less than a third believes that a Palestinian state will be established in the next five years. In fact, a majority, while continuing to support the two-state solution, believes that it has become impractical due to settlement expansion. Perhaps for these reasons half of the public believes that its leadership from the beginnings has been a failed one.
  
• The public is also opposed to several alternatives to negotiations such as return to an armed intifada, dissolution of the PA, and abandonment of the two-state solution in favor of one-state solution. But the public supports going to international organizations, especially to the International Criminal Court (ICC), despite its fears that such a step would bring about financial sanctions and the perhaps the collapse of the PA.
  
  • • Only 17% believe that unity between the West Bank and the Gaza Strip will soon be restored.
  • • 47% say that ending the split requires the downfall of the regime in the two areas of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip or at least in one of the two areas.
  • • 74% believe that reconciliation will not succeed as long as restrictions are imposed on Hamas members in the West Bank and Fatah members in the Gaza Strip.
  • • 28% believe that the re-elections of Khalid Mishaal as head of Hamas will speed up the process of reconciliation and 22% believe it will have the opposite effect.
  • • 72% support and 24% oppose going to the ICC despite fears that the step will lead to imposition of financial sanctions and PA collapse.

I'm not sure that the Palestinians have all that much more confidence in either HAMAS or Fatah as to leadership.

Findings show that the Palestinian public is divided almost equally over President’s Abbas’ decision to resume direct bilateral negotiations with Israel. Moreover, despite the vital importance attached by the public to the issue of prisoners’ release, a larger percentage gives greater priority to the two combined issues of the 1967 borders and settlement freeze. Furthermore, the lack of enthusiasm for return to negotiations seems to be driven by the belief of a large majority that the current round of talks will fail just like previous rounds. But if negotiations do succeed and an agreement is reached, the public believes that a majority of the Palestinians will approve it in a referendum.​

Most Respectfully,
R

Seriously, what is there to " negotiate" over? In addition to boundaries that were never recognized before plus " Right of Return " they are demanding land within the 67 Borders connecting Gaza and the W. Bank with full control over it . Is Israel legally obligated to actually decrease their size. The answer is " no " . Just one more reason why there will never be a " Palestinian state".

 

[toastman]

Abbas is not Palestine. He is irrelevant.

That's like saying Obama is not America or Merkel is not Germany. Leaders speak on behalf of the nations they represent.

Does Obama represent you? He does not represent me.

He represents the country you are a citizen of

 

[Phoenall]

Abbas is not Palestine. He is irrelevant.

That's like saying Obama is not America or Merkel is not Germany. Leaders speak on behalf of the nations they represent.

Does Obama represent you? He does not represent me.

Then who does.................. as you are too small a fry to make treaties with other nations leaders. If Obama says you will pay this much in taxation then you pay that much. If Obama decides to stop all aid to Palestine you do not even get a chance to say no.

 

[RoccoR]

proudveteran06, et al,

It is a matter of both reasonableness and practicality.

Remembering, that with peace comes at a cost associated with the inevitable compromise that accompanies a negotiation.

Seriously, what is there to " negotiate" over? In addition to boundaries that were never recognized before plus " Right of Return " they are demanding land within the 67 Borders connecting Gaza and the W. Bank with full control over it . Is Israel legally obligated to actually decrease their size. The answer is " no " . Just one more reason why there will never be a " Palestinian state".

(COMMENT)

These are three separate and distinct issues:

• Boundaries,
• Sovereign Easement/Corridor between Gaza and West Bank,
• Right of Return (RoR).

The question: Is Israel legally obligated to actually decrease their size?

This is a subject for a negotiated outcome. Obligation is not the right word to use.

As far as the "Easement/Corridor" is concerned, there are a number of options that could be used to achieve the desired effect. There were air, rail and ground Corridors into Berlin during the Cold War. It is not like it hasn't been done before.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Anything or anyone that doesn't agree with your vantage point, you call "irrelevant."

Explain to me who is relevant and who speaks for the State of Palestine?

Abbas is not Palestine. He is irrelevant.

(OBSERVATIONS - WHAT DOES PALESTINE SAY?)

Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research (PSR)

Poll #48: While less than a third of the public views the Palestinian Authority as an accomplishment, and while half describes their leadership as a failed one, and while 80% thinks the West Bank-Gaza Strip split is permanent or long term, support for a confederation with Jordan rises; and while the public rejects Kerry’s ideas for return to negotiations without pre-conditions, a large majority supports going to the International Criminal Court in order to stop settlement expansion even if such a step leads to PA collapse 13-15 June 2013

• Press Release

Poll #49: Palestinian public is spilt regarding the resumption of direct negotiations with Israel and pessimistic regarding the chances for success, but if the talks do lead to a peace agreement, the public believes that a majority of the Palestinians will approve it in a referendum 19-21 September 2013

• Poll In PDF Format. Pdf format

Poll #50:While half of the public favors negotiations with Israel, three quarters reject a permanent settlement if it includes a 10-year transitional phase during which the Israeli army remains deployed in the Jordan Valley; and while fewer people believe that Hamas’ way is the best way to end occupation and build a state, satisfaction with the performance of Abbas and Hamdallah increases and more people believe that Abbas’ is the best way - 19-22 December 2013

• Press Release
  
• Poll In PDF Format. Pdf format

(COMMENT)

Many outside observers believe that the Palestinians will shoot themselves in the foot by setting the conditions that will cause the State of Palestine to collapse. Even a few Palestinians believe that the excessive delay in achieving a negotiated settlement, and the unreasonable expectations of the Palestinians, will gradually trigger the fall of the Palestinian Governments (both Gaza and West Bank).

Main Findings in PSR Polls:

• Moreover, less than a third believes that a Palestinian state will be established in the next five years. In fact, a majority, while continuing to support the two-state solution, believes that it has become impractical due to settlement expansion. Perhaps for these reasons half of the public believes that its leadership from the beginnings has been a failed one.
  
• The public is also opposed to several alternatives to negotiations such as return to an armed intifada, dissolution of the PA, and abandonment of the two-state solution in favor of one-state solution. But the public supports going to international organizations, especially to the International Criminal Court (ICC), despite its fears that such a step would bring about financial sanctions and the perhaps the collapse of the PA.
  
  • • Only 17% believe that unity between the West Bank and the Gaza Strip will soon be restored.
  • • 47% say that ending the split requires the downfall of the regime in the two areas of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip or at least in one of the two areas.
  • • 74% believe that reconciliation will not succeed as long as restrictions are imposed on Hamas members in the West Bank and Fatah members in the Gaza Strip.
  • • 28% believe that the re-elections of Khalid Mishaal as head of Hamas will speed up the process of reconciliation and 22% believe it will have the opposite effect.
  • • 72% support and 24% oppose going to the ICC despite fears that the step will lead to imposition of financial sanctions and PA collapse.

I'm not sure that the Palestinians have all that much more confidence in either HAMAS or Fatah as to leadership.

Findings show that the Palestinian public is divided almost equally over President’s Abbas’ decision to resume direct bilateral negotiations with Israel. Moreover, despite the vital importance attached by the public to the issue of prisoners’ release, a larger percentage gives greater priority to the two combined issues of the 1967 borders and settlement freeze. Furthermore, the lack of enthusiasm for return to negotiations seems to be driven by the belief of a large majority that the current round of talks will fail just like previous rounds. But if negotiations do succeed and an agreement is reached, the public believes that a majority of the Palestinians will approve it in a referendum.​

Most Respectfully,
R

Seriously, what is there to " negotiate" over? In addition to boundaries that were never recognized before plus " Right of Return " they are demanding land within the 67 Borders connecting Gaza and the W. Bank with full control over it . Is Israel legally obligated to actually decrease their size. The answer is " no " . Just one more reason why there will never be a " Palestinian state".

Under the terms of UN resolution 242 the State of Israel is told to negotiate with its neighbours mutually accepted borders with defence in mind. It also states that Israel will give up such occupied land as it see's fit to the Palestinians in return for a cessation in all belligerence and respect for and acknowledgment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force. It also spells out guaranteeing the territorial inviolability and political independence of every State in the area, through measures including the establishment of demilitarized zones.

So in effect while the Palestinians are engaging in terrorist attacks, rocket attacks and verbal attacks Israel is under no compunction to leave Palestine.