A Blessing or a Curse

[Unkotare]

When incorporated correctly, a student's L1 can be a useful tool in second language acquisition. However, it can easily become a crutch that some students lean on too much, to the detriment of their long-term success in acquiring (for example) English. Part of the problem is that such a large percentage of my students speak Spanish as a first language. The more beginner students can sometimes revert to speaking Spanish ALL the time when they get wind of the fact that their teacher does. There are ways of dealing with this, but it also adds to a sense of isolation for the minority non-Spanish speakers in a given class. Just another level of complexity to deal with.

 

[BrokeLoser]

When incorporated correctly, a student's L1 can be a useful tool in second language acquisition. However, it can easily become a crutch that some students lean on too much, to the detriment of their long-term success in acquiring (for example) English. Part of the problem is that such a large percentage of my students speak Spanish as a first language. The more beginner students can sometimes revert to speaking Spanish ALL the time when they get wind of the fact that there teacher does. There are ways of dealing with this, but it also adds to a sense of isolation for the minority non-Spanish speakers in a given class. Just another level of complexity to deal with.

Why not just refuse to fuck over taxpayers…refuse to teach the children of people breaking into our nation to fuck us over?
Then you wouldn’t have to think about teaching what should be taught in homes…What’s next, will you teach children to go pee-pee?

 

[Unkotare]

I suppose it bears repeating (for the 10,000th time) that the vast majority of students in ESL classes in American public schools are natural-born US citizens.

 

[leftwinger]

Why not just refuse to fuck over taxpayers…refuse to teach the children of people breaking into our nation to fuck us over?
Then you wouldn’t have to think about teaching what should be taught in homes…What’s next, will you teach children to go pee-pee?

Be careful someone will ban you. Even if it goes unnoticed one of them or the OP will report it like 3rd grade tattletales.

 

[Unkotare]

Attention trolls: This is the Education Forum. Take your trolling to the basement, or anywhere else.

 

[leftwinger]

True…the OP is a known indoctrinator, globalist, marxists…probably hates the 1A.

“Vast majority” OP says. How many born to illegal border crossers, or to Single mothers who get knocked up to get on the larger gravy train? How many came in loaded up? Out with scammers. We already have 3-4 Welfare generations of inner city to feed.

 

[Unkotare]

“Vast majority” OP says. How many born to illegal border crossers, or to Single mothers who get knocked up to get on the larger gravy train? ...

A US citizen is a US citizen. The Constitution of the United States of America says so.

 

[Sunni Man]

Sadly, this isn't the children's fault they're born into the middle of a culture war.
So the best thing we can do is help them navigate the situation and grow up to become productive well adjusted American citizens.

 

[Unkotare]

Sadly, this isn't the children's fault they're born into the middle of a culture war.
So the best thing we can do is help them navigate the situation and grow up to become productive well adjusted American citizens.

Exactly what I try to do every day!

 

[leftwinger]

Sadly, this isn't the children's fault they're born into the middle of a culture war.
So the best thing we can do is help them navigate the situation and grow up to become productive well adjusted American citizens.

After we fix black city problems. Single mothers, 7 kids, five fathers. Kids roaming in streets w/o adult supervision. After we slow heroin into JHS bathrooms. white punks on dope robbing houses. We can't afford 17 language interpreters in schools, courts and voting. American kids get slowed down. Deep state has stolen all the money. We can't be the soup kitchen for the world any longer.

 

[Sunni Man]

We can't afford 17 language interpreters in schools, courts and voting. American kids get slowed down. Deep state has stolen all the money. We can't be the soup kitchen for the world any longer.

I agree with you that we can't afford to pander to immigrants from every country. Especially those who's population in our country is very small.
But in the case of hispanic immigrants there are ten's of millions and hiring language interpreters makes economic sense in the long run.

 

[leftwinger]

I agree with you that we can't afford to pander to immigrants from every country. Especially those who's population in our country is very small.
But in the case of hispanic immigrants there are ten's of millions and hiring language interpreters makes economic sense in the long run.

Step 1: out with the bad, the criminals and scam artists. I think Trump policy is close to that. I would keep all decent honest hard-working that can prove it. Makes no sense to yank kids out of school and send all out if they are a benefit to all around them.

 

[Sunni Man]

I've interacted with immigrant families from many countries.
Generally the parents speak just enough english to get by.
Their kids are bilingual, learning english at school and speak their parents language at home.
But the grandkids speak english like everyone else and only know a few word of their grandparents ethnic language.

 

[Unkotare]

I agree with you that we can't afford to pander to immigrants from every country. Especially those who's population in our country is very small.
But in the case of hispanic immigrants there are ten's of millions and hiring language interpreters makes economic sense in the long run.

That's not even necessary for the most part. Lots of teachers here speak Spanish (especially in my department), and for those who don't (and for very minority language students) parents from the local community come in and volunteer in shifts.

When a new student arrives at the school, if there are any students who speak the same first language among those who volunteer to help the Guidance Department, they show them around the school, introduce them to their teachers, and exchange contact info if they ever need help. This proved to be very helpful when we got a few new students from Afghanistan a few years ago. At the time I had a very able student also from Afghanistan who had already been here for a few years who wasn't working with Guidance for credits but just because she's a super nice person, who helped a few of the new guys get their feet under them. If they had a study hall, the study hall teacher would call down to my class and ask if it would be ok for them to come hang out with my student. She would explain their homework for them, interpret some reading material, and just generally be a "big sister" for these guys. They are now confident and doing great; getting ready to graduate.

If a teacher doesn't speak Spanish (for example) and needs to communicate something specific to a student at just that moment, he or she will just grab one of us who do speak Spanish if we happen to be walking down the hall. Only takes a few seconds and all is well.

Communication.

On parent-teacher nights, students from the Jr ROTC are stationed all around the school to help parents find their way around (it's a huge school) and to interpret for the parents as needed.

 

[Rawley]

I suppose it bears repeating (for the 10,000th time) that the vast majority of students in ESL classes in American public schools are natural-born US citizens.

Not for long

 

[Unkotare]

Not for long

What "not for long"?

 

[Rawley]

What "not for long"?

After the SC clears up the birthright citizenship issue, they won't be US citizens. But they'll still be in your class.

 

[Unkotare]

After the SC clears up the birthright citizenship issue, they won't be US citizens. But they'll still be in your class.

You really think, no matter what happens, the SC would (or could) retroactively strip Americans of their citizenship? That thing that will never happen would require an act of Congress at least and almost certainly a Constitutional Amendment, even in your fantasy. Remember that members of the House of Representatives serve two year terms at a time.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

After the SC clears up the birthright citizenship issue, they won't be US citizens. But they'll still be in your class.

When do think that will happen? The courts so far are in agreement that birthright citizenship is as the 14th Amendment says it is.

 

[Rawley]

You really think, no matter what happens, the SC would (or could) retroactively strip Americans of their citizenship?

Nope

That thing that will never happen would require an act of Congress at least and almost certainly a Constitutional Amendment, even in your fantasy. Remember that members of the House of Representatives serve two year terms at a time.

I agree, it will not be retroactive.