Recent content by IanC

Really? I set the ball up on a tee for you and that's the best you can do? I left for a while because the debate stagnated and became unbearably dull. If that is how you want to 'win', then go for it.

Is it a 'perpetual motion machine'? Of course not! But what powers the cycle and where did the energy come from to raise the temperature? Any ideas?

First thing to notice is that there is an extra 100w going up from the surface. Why? Thermals and the water cycle have been added to form a total, rather than just radiation energy.

I quite like this diagram. It emphasizes the recycling nature of the GHE. Any comments before I go on?

You do realize that a molecule does not have a temperature? Right?

Thanks for fixing SSDDs quote. Solar shortwave can be reflected out of the atmosphere. IR emission is the only other way to lose energy to space. That leaves lots of other stored atmospheric energy returning to the surface by various pathways. BillyBoob- you do understand that emissivity is...

I really dont know why I bother but.... Nitrous oxide is not atmospheric nitrogen. Ozone is not atmospheric oxygen. Why do you think they are? There are pages of links describing N2 and O2 as unreactive with infrared. Where is your information that claims the opposite?

Are you saying they do? What wavelengths and how much? I ask you straight forward questions and you refuse to answer with specifics. Then you get mad when I infer your position from the few cryptic clues that you do write. Things emit according to their temperature and emissivity. What is the...

What bands do O2 and N2 emit in? How much of the total outgoing radiation are they responsible for?

Are you admitting that O2 and N2 can only store energy until it is passed along to GHGs to create radiation, or sent back to the surface? About time.

How do nitrogen and oxygen hold energy in a way that CO2 doesnt? All of the atmospheric gases store energy by kinetic speed (temperature) and potentiall energy as hieght in the gravity field. Is there some other parameter that I am missing?

Define the difference between a warming gas and a cooling gas. I know the difference between a greenhouse gas and a non greenhouse gas.

SSDD said- " ↑ You only see one side of the coin. You cannot have one side without the other. Where do you think the CO2 at the emission height gets the energy to expel photons to space? SSDD-I think that most energy emitted into space is not 15 micron radiation...you seem to be under the...

You are either dishonest, or stupid, in two ways with that comment. You say that the surface radiation is absorbed and passed along to the rest of the molecules of air but you also claim that no energy is added to the air. That is not possible. Where did the energy go? You say that the energy...

When are you going to learn how to read your own graph? Water would be able to absorb roughly half of 15 micron radiation IF it wasnt already absorbed in the first few metres by CO2. Anything less than 100% absorbance mean a weak reaction either because of molecular activity or small fraction in...