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    Forsaking all/Renunciation

    I'm sorry, friend. Maybe you're confusing christianity with churchianity? lol. The 'scam and sham' of Christianity has NOTHING to do with what Jesus taught. If people actually DID what HE said, and not what the pastor, or preacher, or church teaches, we'd find that out. I'm sorry to hear...
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    Forsaking all/Renunciation

    Please can you ellaborate on what OP means? Thanks. ''Why do you call me Lord, Lord and refuse to obey my words?'' Jesus doesn't want admirers, he wants followers. Glory, praise, and worship are meaningless if they are not backed up my obedience.
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    Forsaking all/Renunciation

    I think Jesus himself knew there would be people who would not obey his teachings. You'd expect that kind of attitude from atheists, but it's sad to see 'christians' doing the same. But, lets say everybody DID obey Jesus and take on the life of a disciple. Well, that would be the Kingdom of...
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    Forsaking all/Renunciation

    Tonystewart1 wrote: Jesus taught that anyone that wants to be his disciple must forsake all they own. He taught that we should sell our possessions and give the money to the poor. He taught that it's nearly impossible for a rich person to get into heaven. He taught that we can't serve two...
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    Forsaking all/Renunciation

    Sounds nice. But the end result is still that we don't actually have to DO what Jesus said. Jesus said ''sell what you own and give the money to the poor''. The author above says ''It is also worthy of note that he did not say, ''sell all your possessions''. If Jesus says sell what you own, you...
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    Forsaking all/Renunciation

    Tonystewart1 wrote: I'm just saying what Jesus said, ''whomsoever of you that does not forsake all that he owns cannot be my disciple''. Luke 14:33. Are you seriously advocating that we don't have to follow the teachings of Jesus in order to be a follower of Jesus? With regards to hand to...
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    Forsaking all/Renunciation

    John 10:10 Tonystewart1 wrote: Perhaps we can deal with your first sentence. Who said anything about suffering? The same Jesus that said, ''I am come so they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly'', is the same Jesus that said, ''whosoever of you that does not...
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    Forsaking all/Renunciation

    Jesus said in Luke 14:33 ''whosoever of you that does not forsake all that he owns, cannot be my disciple''. We see from Jesus' life that he did this, and we see ample evidence of his disciples doing this, not only in the gospels, but in the book of Acts too. Buddha also renounced...
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    Ayn Rand on God

    Sorry, I did miss your other signature. Bankers and insurers certainly are not our 'friends' though they pretend they are, the facade is all about getting our money. They are motivated by greed. But, bankers and insurers aside, we all have greed in us. It might therefore be helpful to not...
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    Ayn Rand on God

    Wry Catchers signature I disagree. I think greed is the root reason for all the harm and hate in the world. Just because dishonest people use God to justify whatever they want, does not mean God is any less real. It simply means that there are very few people who actually DO what God wants...
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    To all who Challenge Christ, God, and the Holy Spirit

    I assume (correct me if I am wrong) that your implying that because Religion has been used to govern people that that means God does not exist? That's quite a leap of logic. I can't tell if you just have issues with Religion, or with Government too. I think most people who are against God...
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