You remember "No Signing Statements", don't you?

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  1. DamnYankee
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    Among other things, that is...

    YouTube - Obama on Presidential Signing Statements

    During the campaign, Obama criticized President Bush for issuing "signing statements," attached letters to congressionally-passed bills that add interpretation and instruction on how to carry out the law.

    "That's not part of [the president's] power," Obama told an audience in a recorded video during the campaign, further alleging it was a violation of the Constitution for the president to attach signing statements to signed bills.

    On March 9, Politico reports, Obama even issued a memorandum negating Bush's signing statements by telling agencies not to follow on them without consulting with the Justice Department in advance.

    Two days later, Obama attached his first signing statement to a $410 billion government spending bill, even as he signed it into law.

    Obama's signing statement modified, interpreted and even dismissed dozens of statutes of the bill, including a section limiting his ability to put U.S. troops under United Nations command.

    The New York Times reports Obama said he would continue the practice of issuing signing statements, though "with caution and restraint, based only on interpretations of the Constitution that are well founded."

    Obama racks up list of broken promises
     
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    It's impossible to base a signing statement on the Constitution because the signing statements themselves are unconstitutional. The President doesn't get to pick and choose which portions of a bill to adhere to, or to reinterpret them differently than the Congress. It is the President's duty to either sign or veto legislation. If he disagrees with part of it or sees it as being unconstitutional it's his duty to veto it, not alter it.
     
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    Wonder when the President will say to himself, "I knew that!" Sure as hell sounded like he knew it BEFORE the election, didn't it?
     
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    There have long been signing statemens. The difference when baby bush did them was that he said the law didn't apply to him and/or the executive branch.

    normal signing statements are benign things that basically say what the intent of the bill is.

    nice spin, though....
     
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    Provide some actual evidence that Bush did any thing of the sort. Being a Lawyer it should be real easy for you to do.

    And I notice you ignored that Obama DID do that with his signing Statement.
     
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    Your spin is of constant amusement, Jillian. Have you considered employment with Whirlpool?


    "Bush does not deny using his signing statements; does not like talking about using them; and believes that they add muscle."
    FindLaw's Writ - Dean: The Problem with Presidential Signing Statements Their Use and Misuse by the Bush Administration

    Now Obama, on the other hand, criticized (even ridiculed) and PROMISED to CHANGE this practice.
    Transparency in Presidential Signing Statements — Sunlight Foundation Blog

    How do YOU spell h-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e ? You're doing a fine job of ass-kissing btw....
     
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    I also remember "no pork", "posting bills on the internet for 48 hours before signing them" and "out of Iraq in 16 months".

    Howz that hope and change workin' for y'all??
     
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    j-i-l-l-i-a-n :lol:
     
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    Obama said he would do it in accordance with the law and the Constitution.

    Bush said "screw Congress, I will do what I want", in effect.
     
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    From link provided in previous post:

    Transparency in Presidential Signing Statements — Sunlight Foundation Blog

    And from the OP
    Obama racks up list of broken promises

    How's all this working out for you? Especially the "Bush lied" mantra?
     

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