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    ….until you lose it.
    And that ain't just a Country and Western song!



    1.This is especially appropriate when applied to the American healthcare system. When the Obamunists were all about instituting Bolshevik healthcare,….yes, ‘Bolshevik’ is the correct term:

    Government control of private sector activity...is aptly described as Bolshevik- or Marxist, socialist, collectivist, statist, or, for that matter, fascist, too. Indeed, nationalized health care was one of the first programs enacted by the Bolsheviks after they seized power in 1917 (Banks, insurance companies and means of communications were also taken over by Soviet authorities immediately. Dziewanowski, "A History of Soviet Russia," p. 107.



    2. What they lied about was that American healthcare was the best in the world, about 90% of those polled were more than satisfied with same, Americans have the longest lifespan in the industrialized world, and paid less out of pocket than the other nationalized systems.



    3. The 20+ clowns running to replace the Republican President are at it again….

    “Democratic candidates have run — and won — on a promise to fight to give all Americans access to government-run health care. A new Medicare-for-all bill in the House has more than 100 co-sponsors. But there are still real disagreements among Democrats. Some of the party’s 2020 presidential candidates have endorsed single payer, while others prefer more incremental improvements.” We read 9 Democratic plans for expanding health care. Here’s how they work.




    4. Even better, elect a Democrat, and you’re gonna pay for your medical insurance…..and guess who else’s:

    “All Democratic Candidates Support Health Care For Undocumented Immigrants: ‘We Do Ourselves No Favors’ When Millions Can’t Access Care”
    All Democratic Candidates Support Health Care For Undocumented Immigrants: ‘We Do Ourselves No Favors’ When Millions Can’t Access Care




    5. And this, from the Daily Signal, today….

    “Canadian Medicare, our northern neighbor’s universal health care system, generally receives rave reviews from proponents of nationalized or socialized health care, but the Fraser Institute found that more than 63,000 Canadians left their country to have surgery in 2016.

    As Americans contemplate overturning our health system in favor of one similar to Canada’s, we must ask why so many leave.”
    American Health Care Treats Canadians Who Cannot Wait



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    It was from Joni Mitchell not a 'country' song.

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    Thank you.

    Hope you had the fortitude to read beyond the first two lines.
     
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    I'm call BS on the above statement and the ACA is more popular than ever now.

    Before the ACA ins companies were capping ins and refusing to care for the insured. Also they had pre-existing conditions clause, if they didn't want to cover you, they wouldn't, or jack the prices so high that one could not afford it.
    Also how many people declared bankruptcy for medical reasons.

    Before the ACA health ins was a scam with soaring prices.

    People will not realize what they had when the ACA goes away, like tramp and the GOP want to do, then will come SS and Medicare changes all to benefit the wealthy.
     
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    Which is shorter, your reaction time, or your concentration span?

    You linked to this...

    2. What they lied about was that American healthcare was the best in the world, about 90% of those polled were more than satisfied with same, Americans have the longest lifespan in the industrialized world, and paid less out of pocket than the other nationalized systems.



    ....but, it appears, forgot to try to dispute any of same.




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    6. "...more than 63,000 Canadians left their country to have surgery in 2016.

    As Americans contemplate overturning our health system in favor of one similar to Canada’s, we must ask why so many leave.

    The Canadian system consistently ranks low or lowest across numerous metrics in the Commonwealth Fund’s extensive survey on health care. With regards to specialists and surgeries, the United States ranked best or nearly best."
    American Health Care Treats Canadians Who Cannot Wait





    7. Don't forget, the Obamunists wanted to turn America's healthcare system into the British N.I.C.E.

    "President Obama's nominee for director of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, the office that oversees government health care programs, is Dr. Donald Berwick, an outspoken admirer of the British National Health Service and its rationing arm, the National Institute for Clinical Effectiveness (NICE).

    "I am romantic about the National Health Service (NHS). I love it," Berwick said during a 2008 speech ...

    [​IMG] Berwick was referring to a British health care system where 750,000 patients are awaiting admission to NHS hospitals.

    [​IMG] The government's official target for diagnostic testing was a wait of no more than 18 weeks by 2008.

    [​IMG] The reality doesn't come close; the latest estimates suggest that for most specialties, only 30 percent to 50 percent of patients are treated within 18 weeks.

    [​IMG] For trauma and orthopedics patients, the figure is only 20 percent.

    [​IMG] Overall, more than half of British patients wait more than 18 weeks for care.

    [​IMG] Every year, 50,000 surgeries are canceled because patients become too sick on the waiting list to proceed.

    The one thing the NHS is good at is saving money. After all, it is far cheaper to let the sick die than to provide care, says Tanner.

    At the forefront of this cost-based rationing is NICE. It acts as a comparative effectiveness tool for NHS, comparing various treatments and determining whether the benefits the patient receives, such as prolonged life, are cost efficient for the government.

    Dr. Berwick wants to bring NICE-style rationing to this country. "It's not a question of whether we will ration care," he said in a magazine interview for Biotechnology Healthcare, "It is whether we will ration with our eyes open."

    Maybe those worries about death panels weren't so crazy after all, says Tanner.

    Source: Michael Tanner, "'Death panels' were an overblown claim -- until now," Daily Caller, May 27, 2010.

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    ‘Death panels’ were an overblown claim – until now
     
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    I can read what you said even though your posts are all over the place. You are the one who needs help.
     
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    I provided lots of facts, none of which you were able to dispute.....especially the part you....for some unknown reason....you linked to. This:

    2. What they lied about was that American healthcare was the best in the world, about 90% of those polled were more than satisfied with same, Americans have the longest lifespan in the industrialized world, and paid less out of pocket than the other nationalized systems.



    In effect, you've verified it.


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    8. "...most people see surgeons only after a referral by either their primary care physician in America, or their general practitioner in Canada. In the United States, 70% of patients are able to be seen by specialists less than four weeks after a referral. In Canada, less than 40% were seen inside of four weeks.

    After being advised that they need a procedure done, only about 35% of Canadians had their surgery within a month, whereas in the United States, 61% did. After four months, about 97% of Americans were able to have their surgery, whereas Canada struggled to achieve 80%.

    America is significantly outperforming Canada in surgery wait times even as it’s likely that tens of thousands of Canadians come here to use the American system."
    American Health Care Treats Canadians Who Cannot Wait




    Healthcare on the order of the USPostal Service.....that's the Democrat promise.
     
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    I'm pretty sure that is just not true. We're not even in the top 10.

    Life expectancy at birth in years, 2016 or nearest year
    Japan
    84.1
    Switzerland
    83.7
    Australia
    82.5
    Sweden
    82.4
    France
    82.4
    Comparable Country Average
    82.2
    Canada
    81.9
    Austria
    81.7
    Netherlands
    81.6
    Belgium
    81.5
    United Kingdom
    81.2
    Germany
    81.1
    United States
    78.6
    Notes: Data for Canada & France are for 2015.
     

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