You Don't Own Me

[Si modo]

I love the "I win! I win!" argument. It tickles me.

Not half as much as you trying to convince yourself that killing babies is not murder tickles me

Irrespective of your entertainment value, the word 'human' is an adjective in all this context. I have yet to "murder" my human appendix, though. So, I have that going for me.

Do you really believe you can draw attention away from your major gaffe of acknowledging that an embryo is, in fact, a human by babbling on?

But, I have been known to "murder" human sperm on occasion..

Your swallowing load after load of sperm is not "murder" because sperm is not a human life. However, a fetus/embryo/etc. is unquestionably human life.

I seem to have upset you. When you stop hyperventilating, let me know.

Good. I love the fact that my views piss off both the right and the left, and I'm not even a racist.

 

[OODA_Loop]

I am all for anyone choosing abortion and voluntarily thinning their own genetic propogation.

 

[Dr Grump]

As I've pointed out repeatedly, men who support abortion do it not out of desire to lift women up and protect their so-called rights,but because it is a tool used to manipulate and demean women, and to maintain them in a state that allows assholes like grump to exploit them.

Oh, bullshit, KG.

Grump likes individual freedoms. He and I often disagree on how to ensure them quite often, but you are so off base you aren't even in the same zip code of the stadium about Grump.

Ah, personal bias.

Based on "internet understanding".

Grump likes porn and prostitution. Naturally he's going to be gung ho about abortion as well.

Abortion is the #1 tool of those who want to oppress and objectify women.

I wouldn't say like or dislike. I would say more like don't give a shit because I don't think about it.

Oh, and I'm anti abortion..

 

[mamooth]

Do you really believe you can draw attention away from your major gaffe of acknowledging that an embryo is, in fact, a human by babbling on?

Rotty, given you're too effin' stupid to understand the difference between a noun and an adjective, why should anyone do anything but laugh at you? It's sad, the way most pro-lifers base their argument solely on their own inability to comprehend standard English.

because sperm is not a human life.

A rather pathetic and obvious lie on your part.

Is it human? Yes. It it alive? Yes. Is it individual? Yes. Therefore, it is a human life. Period.

Claiming it's not a human life clearly illustrates how the murderous and genocidal pro-lifers are trying to justify their own satan-inspired policy of dehumanizing helpless haploid humans for their own selfish hedonistic pleasures.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Such as the evil dehumanizing pro-lifers, who declare cows are lunch.

So, cows are human, but babies are not? Damn, you pro-aborts have some fucked up thinking.

Obviously, PETA is correct to err on the side of caution and define animals as people.

What do you think a DNA test of a cow would reveal, sparky?

How about of a baby?

Yet you want to kill the one that comes up human. Pretty fucked up, if you ask me.

I don't see any difference between pro-life and PETA.

Maybe if your IQ doubled all the way to 16, you would?

They both fabricate a whacked-out non-historical BS definition of "person", and then sputter that anyone who doesn't agree with their BS is a murderer.

I know you have a meme that you've been programmed to bleat, but do you care to address even a single point from my post?

Didn't think so.

For millenia, "person" has had a simple definition across the world -- human, born and alive.

Utter bullshit.

Pro-life/PETA doesn't get to change that by screaming "BECAUSE I SAY SO!" over and over.

I deal with fact, not with pro-abort talking points.

Fact, the unborn offspring of a human is human - DNA leaves zero doubt.

Fact, heart and brain activity define life in medial science, which occurs at about 6 weeks gestation.

Fact, the pro-abort nonsense you spew is ignorant bullshit.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Thanks. You'll let me know when a syringe and porcine insulin are life forms.

TIA.

If a mother tires of caring for a diabetic 6 year old, can she kill it with no legal consequence? I mean, it her body. (Okay, it isn't, but neither is the body of the fetus that pro-aborts want to kill.)

 

[Trajan]

allie, seriously, please don't turn my thread into one of your tantrums on this issue. i'm more interested in looking at the politics and legalities.

thanks

:eusa_think_:are you in favor of Sex-Selective abortion?

It's nothing I'd have chosen to do.

But wanting government out of our bodies isn't support for it.

so you would not have chosen to do it, does that mean you would support it for others?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Never been to Tijuana. Never been to Mexico. Sounds like you're speaking from experience....

Rosita says "Donkey si, retard Gump no."

 

[Uncensored2008]

I seem to have upset you. When you stop hyperventilating, let me know.

Good. I love the fact that my views piss off both the right and the left, and I'm not even a racist.

Your views don't "piss me off" or upset me. I disagree with them. But I disagree with a lot of people on a lot of subjects.

Doesn't mean I don't like you. I just disagree with you on this particular subject.

 

[mamooth]

So, cows are human, but babies are not? Damn, you pro-aborts have some fucked up thinking.

But it's your thinking. If you consider your own pro-life/PETA logic to be stupid, that makes my point.

What do you think a DNA test of a cow would reveal, sparky?

How about of a baby?

Yet you want to kill the one that comes up human. Pretty fucked up, if you ask me.

Yep, you're a proud eugenicist, with your motto of "ALL HAIL THE SUPERIOR HUMAN DNA, BESTOWER OF RIGHTS!". I bet you just can't wait to declare that certain people have DNA which isn't up to snuff, so you can ship them off to the camps.

Utter bullshit.

Scream all you want, but the world has still always defined "person" as "human, born and alive".

Fact, the unborn offspring of a human is human - DNA leaves zero doubt.

So is a sperm cell, you sick twisted genocidal freak. You clearly get off on dehumanizing and murdering helpless haploid humans.

Fact, heart and brain activity define life in medial science,

You're pulling stuff out of your ass now, in a vain attempt to prop up your immoral dogcrap philosophy.

Control freaks like you are nothing special on the internet. It's not like we haven't seen it before, the meltdowns when we tell you to stuff your lies and leave the decent people in peace. What makes you think you're some special little snowflake?

 

[Immanuel]

You mean demands by 36 year old coeds that Obama's fascist care mandate the Catholic church pay for contraceptives and abortions or face prison?

That is really all the church is looking for the right to do, buy insurance policies for their employees that do not cover birth control. They should be allowed to do so.

1. Churches are already exempt from the contraceptive requirements of the law.

2. In reference to the "Coeds", you realize that at the time Georgetown University was ALREADY offering contraceptive coverage for employees.

3. There are already 28 states that require contraceptive coverage, some exempt only the Church themselves - are there no Catholic Universities and Hospitals in those states?



[DISCLAIMER: I'm a Republican and want ObamaCare repealed. The argument shouldn't whether Churches should be exempt (they should), the argument ought to be that whats included or excluded should be between the insurance carrier and the individual owner of the policy (in the vast majority of cases that being employer who contracts for the policy and pays the vast majority of premiums).]



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I think that is basically the point I was trying to get across. Yes, they are exempt... for now. This whole discussion is about the left wing attempt to end that exemption.

I dont want to have to pay for a fat person diabetes medication, but most insurances cover it already.

My wife who had her tubes tied can still use Birth control to regulate her period.
We are done for right now having kids and she Still has a use for it. This idea its for stopping abortion is nothing more than crap.

Trust me i want my wife on Birth control if its gets bad, because im the one who has to be around that if its really bad, Not you, not anyone else.

I don't think a lot of people have a grasp on the full context of what the issue is.

Then find an insurance company that does not cover obesity.

That is really all the church is looking for the right to do, buy insurance policies for their employees that do not cover birth control. They should be allowed to do so.

No one is asking the government to forbid insurance companies from offering coverage of birth control. They are asking for the right to purchase insurance that does not offer it. The left on the other hand is seeking to force all insurance policies to cover it, just like they want to force all insurance companies to cover the ultimate form of birth control: abortion.

The left speaks a lot about their belief in "choice", but when you get right down to it, they do not come close to defending any other choice except abortion.

Immie

Exactly. And, you and I disagree about Choice/Life.

Yes, we do disagree. However, we have always been able to discuss the issue without the name calling and "you're an idiot..." posts flying back and forth.

I for one appreciate that.

Immie

 

[Dr Grump]

What makes you think you're some special little snowflake?

Oh, he's special all right. But not in the way he thinks.....

 

[koshergrl]

:eusa_think_:are you in favor of Sex-Selective abortion?

It's nothing I'd have chosen to do.

But wanting government out of our bodies isn't support for it.

so you would not have chosen to do it, does that mean you would support it for others?

You put government in your body every time you take a government purchased medication in it.

 

[WorldWatcher]

You mean demands by 36 year old coeds that Obama's fascist care mandate the Catholic church pay for contraceptives and abortions or face prison?

1. Churches are already exempt from the contraceptive requirements of the law.

2. In reference to the "Coeds", you realize that at the time Georgetown University was ALREADY offering contraceptive coverage for employees.

3. There are already 28 states that require contraceptive coverage, some exempt only the Church themselves - are there no Catholic Universities and Hospitals in those states?



[DISCLAIMER: I'm a Republican and want ObamaCare repealed. The argument shouldn't whether Churches should be exempt (they should), the argument ought to be that whats included or excluded should be between the insurance carrier and the individual owner of the policy (in the vast majority of cases that being employer who contracts for the policy and pays the vast majority of premiums).]



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I think that is basically the point I was trying to get across. Yes, they are exempt... for now. This whole discussion is about the left wing attempt to end that exemption.

My point exactly. There should be no exemption for Churches because it basically cedes the point that government CAN mandate with is included or not included in the policies for everyone else.

Those that want to focus on only giving special privileges based on religious grounds are missing the big picture.

What an employer wishes to include or exclude in an insurance policy they are buying should be up to them and the insurance carrier.


(Personally I think health insurance could be better managed by individuals buying group policies through other than their employer - bank, credit union, religious organization, civic group, etc. instead of having (for the vast majority of people) insurance tied to where they work. Many fewer headaches and more flexibility. I could opt for an "everything plan" or choose to save money with a high deductible, major illness type policy.)


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[Plasmaball]

Weird, you want government out of your bodies but you want the public to pay for birth control like that flukey woman.

I dont want to have to pay for a fat person diabetes medication, but most insurances cover it already.

My wife who had her tubes tied can still use Birth control to regulate her period.
We are done for right now having kids and she Still has a use for it. This idea its for stopping abortion is nothing more than crap.

Trust me i want my wife on Birth control if its gets bad, because im the one who has to be around that if its really bad, Not you, not anyone else.

I don't think a lot of people have a grasp on the full context of what the issue is.

Private insurance covers birth control. It's about an extra $1.50 a month for that option.

.

and?

 

[Plasmaball]

Weird, you want government out of your bodies but you want the public to pay for birth control like that flukey woman.

I dont want to have to pay for a fat person diabetes medication, but most insurances cover it already.

My wife who had her tubes tied can still use Birth control to regulate her period.
We are done for right now having kids and she Still has a use for it. This idea its for stopping abortion is nothing more than crap.

Trust me i want my wife on Birth control if its gets bad, because im the one who has to be around that if its really bad, Not you, not anyone else.

I don't think a lot of people have a grasp on the full context of what the issue is.

Then find an insurance company that does not cover obesity.

That is really all the church is looking for the right to do, buy insurance policies for their employees that do not cover birth control. They should be allowed to do so.

No one is asking the government to forbid insurance companies from offering coverage of birth control. They are asking for the right to purchase insurance that does not offer it. The left on the other hand is seeking to force all insurance policies to cover it, just like they want to force all insurance companies to cover the ultimate form of birth control: abortion.

The left speaks a lot about their belief in "choice", but when you get right down to it, they do not come close to defending any other choice except abortion.

Immie

I have zero issue if they dont want a plan that covers BC, they just in my view get zero federal or state aid.

thats my deal. You agree?

 

[P@triot]

I love the "I win! I win!" argument. It tickles me.

Not half as much as you trying to convince yourself that killing babies is not murder tickles me



Do you really believe you can draw attention away from your major gaffe of acknowledging that an embryo is, in fact, a human by babbling on?

But, I have been known to "murder" human sperm on occasion..

Your swallowing load after load of sperm is not "murder" because sperm is not a human life. However, a fetus/embryo/etc. is unquestionably human life.

I seem to have upset you. When you stop hyperventilating, let me know.

Good. I love the fact that my views piss off both the right and the left, and I'm not even a racist.

Honestly, I'm not the least bit pissed. In fact, I think it's quite the oppposite. I think you tripped up when you acknowledged an embryo was a HUMAN and now you're trying to avoid just admitting I was right. That's ok, dance all you want. It doesn't change the fact that you were wrong and I was right...

 

[Valerie]

Weird, you want government out of your bodies but you want the public to pay for birth control like that flukey woman.

I dont want to have to pay for a fat person diabetes medication, but most insurances cover it already.

My wife who had her tubes tied can still use Birth control to regulate her period.
We are done for right now having kids and she Still has a use for it. This idea its for stopping abortion is nothing more than crap.

Trust me i want my wife on Birth control if its gets bad, because im the one who has to be around that if its really bad, Not you, not anyone else.

I don't think a lot of people have a grasp on the full context of what the issue is.

Then find an insurance company that does not cover obesity.

That is really all the church is looking for the right to do, buy insurance policies for their employees that do not cover birth control. They should be allowed to do so.

No one is asking the government to forbid insurance companies from offering coverage of birth control. They are asking for the right to purchase insurance that does not offer it. The left on the other hand is seeking to force all insurance policies to cover it, just like they want to force all insurance companies to cover the ultimate form of birth control: abortion.

The left speaks a lot about their belief in "choice", but when you get right down to it, they do not come close to defending any other choice except abortion.

Immie

That's a good point, Immie... I looked into this a while back and found this website.

Christian members of healthcare sharing ministries will not face the penalties and taxes that other Americans will be forced to pay if they do not have health insurance by 2014.

On March 22, 2010 President Obama signed into law legislation that requires most Americans to purchase government regulated health insurance by the year 2014. In June of 2012, the Supreme Court upheld the law.

We are grateful that the law gives Christians who participate in Health Care Sharing Ministries a special exemption from the mandate to purchase insurance. More importantly, we thank God for His protection and favor on our Ministry and the continued opportunity to serve one another.

Health Care Sharing Ministries are the only “organized healthcare concept” to receive a special exemption from the taxes, penalties and regulations that are a part of this law, as these apply to insurance companies.

Medi-Share members are exempt from the “individual mandate” that will require all other Americans to purchase insurance by 2014 or face financial penalties. (page 107 & 128 of the final law).


Medi-Share - Healthcare Reform exemption

 

[Si modo]

Not half as much as you trying to convince yourself that killing babies is not murder tickles me



Do you really believe you can draw attention away from your major gaffe of acknowledging that an embryo is, in fact, a human by babbling on?



Your swallowing load after load of sperm is not "murder" because sperm is not a human life. However, a fetus/embryo/etc. is unquestionably human life.

I seem to have upset you. When you stop hyperventilating, let me know.

Good. I love the fact that my views piss off both the right and the left, and I'm not even a racist.

Honestly, I'm not the least bit pissed. In fact, I think it's quite the oppposite. I think you tripped up when you acknowledged an embryo was a HUMAN and now you're trying to avoid just admitting I was right. That's ok, dance all you want. It doesn't change the fact that you were wrong and I was right...

Adjectives and nouns seem to confuse you.

 

[koshergrl]

Ah, we run up against the semantics of humanity again.