would someone show me where these FACTS are wrong???

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    Why in the FACE of these SOURCED...
    FACTS do people persist in believing there are 50 million "uninsured" when in reality there are less then 8 million?

    Why are you that persist in this "50 million uninsured" falsehood too chicken to prove these sources wrong???


    Nearly 10 million counted as "uninsured" are NOT citizens:
    The Census Bureau: Newsroom: Income & Wealth: Income, Poverty and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2009
    Table C. People Without Health Insurance Coverage (Numbers in thousands)
    2008 2009
    Not a citizen 9,511 9,936

    Prove me wrong!!!

    14 million people counted as part of the phony 50 million "UNINSURED" are actually covered by Medicaid!

    Page 4 of the Blue Cross Report at this web page:http://coverageforall.org/pdf/BC-BS_Uninsured-America.pdf

    Of the 44.7 million non-elderly uninsured individuals identified in the 2004 Census Current Population Survey (CPS) data, nearly one-third — almost 14 million — were reachable through existing government health programs such as Medicaid and the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) under current rules.

    Finally 18 million when needed to pass the bill were counted as "uninsured" : then when passed Pelosi et.al. NOW call them "free-loaders"!!!
    Nearly 18 million of the uninsured lived in households with annual incomes above $50,000 --
    over half of them (9.7 million) in households with incomes that exceed $75,000 annually.
    As a result of the FACT that these "uninsured" under 34 generally pay $1,448 in OUT of pocket health expenses per year!

    SO WHY would then spend money on health insurance???

    Source for the 18 million figure: CRISIS OF THE UNINSURED: 2009
    AGE the annual per capita expenditure
    20 $ 1,448 (So why should they pay a $2,000 penalty for not having insurance when they pay out less in real expenses???
    40 $ 2,601
    65 $10,245

    Source for above expenditures:: The Lifetime Distribution of Health Care Costs

    So NOW as I said Pelosi calls these people that PAY their own way because they have little expenses under age 34..

    " Pelosi, speaking to Audie Cornish of National Public Radio, explained that new taxes were necessary because some (many?) of the uninsured actively choose not to buy health insurance, even though they can afford it.
    Pelosi's change in attitude towards the uninsured is a complete about-face from the rhetoric that she and the Democrats used in pushing for the massive legislation in 2009-10. Then, Democrats bombarded Americans with heart-wrenching stories--many of them false, particularly those told by President Barack Obama--about the 30, 40, or 50 million people without health insurance. Those who pointed to research that over 40 percent of the uninsured were "voluntary" were dismissed as heartless corporate shills or racists.
    Pelosi Bashes the Uninsured: 'Free Riders' - Nancy Pelosi - Fox Nation
     
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    Well first of all your whole argument is rather convoluted and just plain STOOOPID for starters!

    For instance you start off trying to quantify uninsured PEOPLE and then morph your own statistics around "legal" and "illegal" citizens when the truth is whether legal or illegal they are all still PEOPLE!

    Strike one!

    Then you do stupid shit like this....starting a premise dealing with a question of legitimate HEALTH INSURANCE then skewing your numbers to include programs like Medicaid and the State Children’s Health Insurance Program which were never intented to be forms of reliable long term health insurance in the first place but only emergency relief programs.

    Then you conclude with CRAP like this

    "Nearly 18 million of the uninsured lived in households with annual incomes above $50,000 --
    over half of them (9.7 million) in households with incomes that exceed $75,000 annually.
    As a result of the FACT that these "uninsured" under 34 generally pay $1,448 in OUT of pocket health expenses per year!"

    with no credible link to back it up BECAUSE YOU CAN'T!!!

    Quit pulling shit out of your ass and calling it FACT!!!
     
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    READ THE F..king LINKS you dumb sh...t!
    The Census Bureau: Newsroom: Income & Wealth: Income, Poverty and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2009

    14 million covered by Medicaid LINK!


    YOU ARE so fuc...kg stupid!
    DID YOU NOT following the web pages that VALIDATE the numbers??

    Page 4 of the Blue Cross Report at this web page:http://coverageforall.org/pdf/BC-BS_Uninsured-America.pdf
    Of the 44.7 million non-elderly uninsured individuals identified in the 2004 Census Current Population Survey (CPS) data, nearly one-third — almost 14 million — were reachable through existing government health programs such as Medicaid and the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) under current rules.

    Finally READ this link..

    Source for the 18 million figure: CRISIS OF THE UNINSURED: 2009

    AGE the annual per capita expenditure
    20 $ 1,448 (So why should they pay a $2,000 penalty for not having insurance when they pay out less in real expenses???
    40 $ 2,601
    65 $10,245

    Source for above expenditures:: The Lifetime Distribution of Health Care Costs
     
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    YOU idiots that DON"T read have no excuse for being so STUPID..
    I post links with almost every FACT that I submit!
     
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    But it's facts that they choose to ignore.
     
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    thank you!!!
     
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    I read your supid links.

    They're BUNK and don't support the position you are trying so hard to put out there.

    You're doing a good job of making a fucking joke of yourself though.

    Keep up the good work!!!
     
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    Hey fuckwit, since when did America and Americans agree to take on the health needs of millions of ILLEGAL ALIENS THAT HAVE NO RIGHT TO BE HERE IN THE FIRST FUCKING PLACE?!?!?!?
     
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    I haven't read the op but know it deals with insurance and obamatax, no amount of facts will change your mind,m the only thing left is just experience how obamatax will take care of you. It's unsustainable but you will not know that until you have to deal with it first hand.
     
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    So in the US if an a person here illegally shows up at the ER we should let them die?
     

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