Woman-friendly Islam

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    Turkish experts examine transmissions of the prophet Mohammed

    by Boris Kalnoky

    Istanbul - About the Muslim religion the Turkish state thinks since Atatürk possibly in such a way as some Muslim husbands think about their women:
    Like wives religion also must be shown where its place is in life. As well as the wife to the man the religion has to serve the state, and if to one of both there is been left to much liberty life is soon complicated.

    Soon, nevertheless, only the religion should knuckle under. The women (wives) will get the pleasure of a new, reformed Islam, erased from all women-hostile passages.
    The institution which for religious problems is the uppermost authority in Turkey wants to achieve this. Namely the "Türkiye Cumhuriyeti Diyanet Isleri" (Turkish State Religious Affairs) which also pays Imams and is giving them public official status.
    35 theologians should check the so-called "Hadithas", traditional words and actions of the prophet, for women-hostile material because these "hadithas" would be wrong and faked as Diyanet believes.
    What does one let recognise that the relevant passages are not authentic?

    Mehmet Görmez, vice-head of the Diyanet, said, they want to clean the Haditha of three categories of women-hostile statements:

    - Power(Violence) against women(wives),
    - Discriminating passages
    - and those passages, in those it means that the woman(wife) is subordinated to the man(husband).

    According to Görmez the fact that these passages are faked, arises simply from the fact that the messenger of God could not have thought of such things.
    It is true that in the "Hadithas" there are a collection of pasages which are really strange.
    In the collections of Buchari and Ahmed Ibn Hanbal: " If a monkey, a black dog or a woman(wife) passes a reciting, his prayer is trifling. " Nevertheless, this place goes back to Abu Huraya which counts as the "unmost reliable one" of the Haditha collectors.

    The problem with the Haditha is that they have costamped the Muslim culture decisively, but is not sure with the most ones at all whether they really deal something with Mohammed.
    The greatest Haditha collectors like Buchari checked hundred thousands of supposed prophet's words and rejected 99 percent as fictitious.

    There are "more dependable" Haditha (which are delivered by several stuffs directly) and more dubious from only one narrator(storyteller) who has not heard it maybe.

    It is noteworthy that the more the authenticity of pasages of Hadithas are the more women-hostile they are. So in such Hadithas there is to read that the good woman wuals to a sheep and it is better to let woman a bit hunger and give them not to much to wear so that they have no joy of leaving the house.

    However, there also are really passages of Hadithas which are friendly to women. The Haditha collection friendliest to women comes from Mohammeds own wife, Aischa. There we find out, for example, that the prophet did not take exception in her month bleeding and laid(put) in such times even his head in her shoot(lap).

    In some regard the Koran is even less women-hostile - without Hadithas - than the Bible. For example, no original sin sticks to the woman, and the women(wives) are called " twin sisters of the men(husbands) ".


    f now Turkey wants to clean the prophet's words of discriminating passages, this is a step in the direction of a reform of Islam as it is demanded of many more enlightened Muslim theologians. It can be only the first step - also the Koran should be put in his historically qualified context, and be laid out accordingly to modern times.
    Such undertaking nevertheless has only a small acceptance in the muslim world and whether the Turkish attempt is finding succes also beyond Turkey, remains to be watched for.
    In Turkey itself it could absolutely get to a certain broad effect, because the religious directorship decides what may be preached in the mosques. But also a boomerang effect from more radical Muslim circles is conceivable.

    http://www.welt.de/data/2006/06/24/930361.html
     
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    In Turkey, Muslim women gain expanded religious authority

    By Yigal Schleifer | Correspondent of The Christian Science Monitor

    ISTANBUL – Covered in a pink and gray head scarf that tightly frames her round face, and adorned in a long, dark-blue overcoat, Zuleyha Seker hardly seems like a rebel. But as one of 400 women preachers, known as vaizes, currently working in several of Turkey's state-run mosques, Ms. Seker is making waves.

    "The vaizes like me are seen as revolutionaries in religious circles - we are always pushing for change," she says with a gentle smile.

    Indeed, women have brought significant change to Turkey's Muslim order in recent years. Two years ago, women were appointed for the first time to lead groups of Turks making the pilgrimage to Mecca. And last year, Diyanet, a government body that oversees the country's mosques and trains religious leaders, added 150 women preachers across Turkey.

    Now, Diyanet is selecting a group of women who will serve as deputies to muftis, or expounders of religious law. From this post, they'll monitor the work being done by imams in local mosques, particularly as it relates to women.
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    http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0427/p04s01-woeu.html
     
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    Canavar, cut to the chase. Is Turkey going Sharia or saying women should be modernized? Where is it?
     
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    From such a philosophy (described below) of this Religious institution now Diyanet is cleaning woman-hostile passages in Islam philosophy.
    Therefore 35 Thologists of Diyanet will search Hadithas for woman-hostile understandings in 3 categories and will erase them makeing them not valid in Islam understanding.
    such as:
    - Violence against woman
    - discrimantion
    - woman is subordinated to man

    Nothing to do with woman should modernize or Turkey becoming sharia.


    Despite all the warnings found in the Qur’an and the examples set by Prophet Muhammad, the education and development of girls and women at the start of the 21st century imposes on us all a myriad of responsibilities. Perhaps the most distressing aspects of this problem that needs to be focused on here is the negative concepts created by a section of society where a patriarchal attitude rules, concepts such as the “honor” killings of wives and daughters, domestic violence, and educational and sexual discrimination.
    (...)
    At the Ministry of Religious Affairs we must be aware of the problems that are faced by women and take on an active role in the solution, developing and adopting lasting policies. To put these decisions into practice we need to get together with the relevant societies and women’s groups. It is essential that we eliminate the concept of our religion as something that approves of violence against women; we must bring the correct understanding back into the light.

    Prof.Dr. Ali BARDAKOĞLU
    President of Religious Affairs

    http://www.diyanet.gov.tr/english/englh.asp?id=103
     
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    Wow. I would say that's one giant step for women.
     
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    I'm not very good at nuance. Bottom line, if a Turkish woman wanted to run for office, care for her children, work in the local restaurant, whould she need/required to wear headscarf or (eeek) burka? Is this 'liberalism' only for the most educated or all?
     
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    I posted this source before in this thread:
    and the christian science source is from 2005.
    http://www.usmessageboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28799


    the new thing is in the first post.


    Hadith (Arabic: الحديث‎ ​ transliterated: al-ḥadīth) are traditions relating to the words and deeds of the Islamic prophet Muhammad. Hadith collections are regarded as important tools for determining the Sunnah, or Muslim way of life, by all traditional schools of jurisprudence.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith
     
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    I know what it is, hence my comment.
     
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    In Turkey there is no force of wearing any religious symbols. It is up to everyone himself if someone wants to wear religious symbols.
    But in some cases there is state force of not-wearing religious symbols in universities, public officials, parliaments etc...

    And there is no connection beetween being educated and not wearing headscarf.
    There are educated woman who wear headscarf and not so educated woman who wear headscarf. And the other way round also.

    But headscarf is not related to the new undertaking of Diyanet as the new move is aimed at eraseing violence against woman and discrimination.
    Headscarf is an other issue not primarily related to the above things.
     
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    When were women permitted to wear the headscarf again? I know it's their choice now, as you said, but didn't Ataturk ban all forms of religious head gear ie: the fez (sp??) and symbols at one point, then make some concessions?
     

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