Wisdom of Ben Franklin

Discussion in 'Politics' started by LoneLaugher, Jan 7, 2013.

  1. LoneLaugher
    Online

    LoneLaugher Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2011
    Messages:
    45,607
    Thanks Received:
    6,447
    Trophy Points:
    1,840
    Location:
    Inside Mac's Head
    Ratings:
    +18,417
    Benjamin Franklin to Robert Morris

    25 Dec. 1783Writings 9:138
    The Remissness of our People in Paying Taxes is highly blameable; the Unwillingness to pay them is still more so. I see, in some Resolutions of Town Meetings, a Remonstrance against giving Congress a Power to take, as they call it, the People's Money out of their Pockets, tho' only to pay the Interest and Principal of Debts duly contracted. They seem to mistake the Point. Money, justly due from the People, is their Creditors' Money, and no longer the Money of the People, who, if they withold it, should be compell'd to pay by some Law.

    All Property, indeed, except the Savage's temporary Cabin, his Bow, his Matchcoat, and other little Acquisitions, absolutely necessary for his Subsistence, seems to me to be the Creature of public Convention. Hence the Public has the Right of Regulating Descents, and all other Conveyances of Property, and even of limiting the Quantity and the Uses of it. All the Property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other Laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition. He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages. He can have no right to the benefits of Society, who will not pay his Club towards the Support of it.


    The Founders' Constitution
    Volume 1, Chapter 16, Document 12
    Property: Benjamin Franklin to Robert Morris
    The University of Chicago Press

    The Writings of Benjamin Franklin. Edited by Albert Henry Smyth. 10 vols. New York: Macmillan Co., 1905--7.


    And...nutters....please don't respond with cherry-picked Franklin quotes taken out of context. Thanks in advance.
     
  2. GuyPinestra
    Offline

    GuyPinestra Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2012
    Messages:
    6,907
    Thanks Received:
    667
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Ratings:
    +669
    How about this response, LL.

    Taxes at that time were apportioned and fair, and were not taken from some and not others. EVERY man had a share to pay, and NONE of it came from his wages.

    If you want to use Franklin's words about taxes, we should use Franklin's taxes.
     
  3. DiamondDave
    Offline

    DiamondDave Army Vet

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2008
    Messages:
    18,169
    Thanks Received:
    2,812
    Trophy Points:
    183
    Location:
    MD, on the Potomac River
    Ratings:
    +2,816
    I will listen to a progressive's complaints about taxes not being high enough when they pay the same overall % in taxes that I do or when they actually start having every last citizen paying equally for federal income taxes
     
  4. BreezeWood
    Offline

    BreezeWood VIP Member Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2011
    Messages:
    4,669
    Thanks Received:
    293
    Trophy Points:
    85
    Ratings:
    +474
    what did the Savages ever do to Franklin to warrant such an unfair sentence ...
     
    Last edited: Jan 7, 2013
  5. Politico
    Offline

    Politico Gold Member

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2011
    Messages:
    13,855
    Thanks Received:
    937
    Trophy Points:
    175
    Ratings:
    +1,491
    They weren't white.

    Why not? You provided edited writings.
     
  6. LoneLaugher
    Online

    LoneLaugher Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2011
    Messages:
    45,607
    Thanks Received:
    6,447
    Trophy Points:
    1,840
    Location:
    Inside Mac's Head
    Ratings:
    +18,417
    Are mine taken out of context?
     

Share This Page