Will the Ukraine-Russia war give GOP the chance to de-Trump itself to success, or will Donald bull-moose them?

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Well played sir, well played.

Well except for the fact that the Russian invasion of Georgia lasted 12 all of whopping days.

 

[Rigby5]

It's damage that the indoctrinated fools like yourself ignored to the detriment of our democracy. But then again, we on planet earth don't expect awareness or reason or critical thinking from folks so deeply snookered by the most prolific con-man of our times.

Nonsense.
The detriment to our democracy is the democratic and republican parties.
As much as I disagree with Trump, he was vastly superior to both traditional parties.
Trump did not invade a single country.

 

[Rigby5]

Well except for the fact that the Russian invasion of Georgia lasted 12 all of whopping days.

And actually it was Georgia who invaded South Ossetia first, and Russia just ended that.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Putin was aware than just a small compliment to Trump and he would own him. Trump was a blushing little girl around all despots and tyrants. He became the most useful idiot Putin ever had. Deferential, adoring, obedient, obsequious and worshiping.

Yah, he really owned the guy who slapped him personally and Russia as a whole with more sanctions than any president since the end of the Soviet Union.

Yes, he really owned the guy who told them to get out of the bases in Syria where the chemcial weapons they were dropping on civilians were stored and those aircraft operated from with just enough time for them to either evacuate or get into shelters before the missiles took out those stockpiles and aircraft.

He absolutely owned the guy who authorized us Troops to use whatever force was necessary to stop a Russian attack which resulted in the destruction of an entire battalion of Russian Merc's/Spec Op's troops and their equipment.

Unfortunately for you the history is already written stone as to each of those.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

And actually it was Georgia who invaded South Ossetia first, and Russia just ended that.

That's not exactly accurate. South Ossetian pro Russian militias began the fight sending insurgents into Georgia to destabilize it along with Abkhazia.

In turn Georgia attacked in reply.

Let's not leave Chechnya out of the equation either.

For the first decade or so after the dissolution of the Soviet Union the entire region was in turmoil with Russia, and Russian sympathizers from the old communist regimes trying to cling to power.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

And who was the good guy back when the US was lying about Ho Chi Minh and murdered over 3 million innocent Vietnamese who Ho Chi Minh freed from the French?
It was Russia.
The US is the bad guy invading countries.
Russia only is concerned with countries right on its borders, like Poland, Hungary, and Afghanistan.

Hey dumbass! Afghanistan does not border Russia. Learn to read a map!

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Well except for the fact that the Russian invasion of Georgia lasted 12 all of whopping days.

Yah, the actually still had a semi functional military at that point. That sure didn't

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Then you don't understand that regime change is what Russia is after, not occupation.....

You don't know what you're talking about. They will pacify then occupy it with Russian Proxies and replace civil officials with Russian puppets.

The first thing they have to do is pacify it, and that's something they will never accomplish. It will be the never healing, ever bleeding gut wound they can do nothing about.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Truth? WTF would a cult member know about truth? Newsmax? Really? Hey, they're all scoundrels. Nothing new to me. But there are degrees of evil and whatever Biden might have done doesn't measure up to the damage your orange traitor has done, Comrade.

Biden has already done more damage to the country in innumerable ways than Trump ever did or even could have with successive terms.

Your retirement savings are shrinking at a 9% annual rate right now and gasoline is at all time highs.

IF the CPI was part of the inflation calculation we'd already be above 10% and still rising.

The biggest military blunder of the last fifty years was out botched withdrawal from Afghanistan stranding tens of thousands of US citizens and SV Holders, to be captured, tortured, killed, or held hostage over the US in the future.

Add to that move than a billion dollars worth of our best hardware and people trained not only to use it but to teach how to do so and our security files on every Afghan national cooperating with or working directly for the US DOD and Embassy.

We not only showed all of our potential enemies we now lack the stomach for a fight and can't even organize a damned collapsing ring phased withdrawal.

The Videos of those Afghans falling off of wings and landing gear as the last planes departed will never be forgotten.

It will take decades to rebuild our credibility if even it could be done in that time. In the mean time we're losing valuable human intel assets, translators, and trainers all around the world for as far as we can see into the future.

Add to that the ridiculous covid mandates not supported by any actual science and the destruction of public trust in institutions like the CDC and all other state and local gov't health authorities.

In just one year we went from relative peace at home to the worst jump in violent crime seen in history eating away all of the gains we'd made since the peak in the mid 90's.

Worse, after running to fix everything wrong with the Covid Response and crush the disease while claiming credit for everything Trump had accomplished with regard to PPE and Vaccines, he couldn't even manage to get the damned vaccines to the providers to give those vaccines in a timely manner resulting in more Covid deaths since he took office than under Trump.

The only thing saving us from Covid is "Omicron" a fast spreading variant that virtually always causes no worse symptoms and has no worse outcomes than a mild cold which is leaving those it infected with natural immunity to all know strains.

 

[Wickerthing]

Biden has already done more damage to the country in innumerable ways than Trump ever did or even could have with successive terms.

Your retirement savings are shrinking at a 9% annual rate right now and gasoline is at all time highs.

IF the CPI was part of the inflation calculation we'd already be above 10% and still rising.

The biggest military blunder of the last fifty years was out botched withdrawal from Afghanistan stranding tens of thousands of US citizens and SV Holders, to be captured, tortured, killed, or held hostage over the US in the future.

Add to that move than a billion dollars worth of our best hardware and people trained not only to use it but to teach how to do so and our security files on every Afghan national cooperating with or working directly for the US DOD and Embassy.

We not only showed all of our potential enemies we now lack the stomach for a fight and can't even organize a damned collapsing ring phased withdrawal.

The Videos of those Afghans falling off of wings and landing gear as the last planes departed will never be forgotten.

It will take decades to rebuild our credibility if even it could be done in that time. In the mean time we're losing valuable human intel assets, translators, and trainers all around the world for as far as we can see into the future.

Add to that the ridiculous covid mandates not supported by any actual science and the destruction of public trust in institutions like the CDC and all other state and local gov't health authorities.

In just one year we went from relative peace at home to the worst jump in violent crime seen in history eating away all of the gains we'd made since the peak in the mid 90's.

Worse, after running to fix everything wrong with the Covid Response and crush the disease while claiming credit for everything Trump had accomplished with regard to PPE and Vaccines, he couldn't even manage to get the damned vaccines to the providers to give those vaccines in a timely manner resulting in more Covid deaths since he took office than under Trump.

The only thing saving us from Covid is "Omicron" a fast spreading variant that virtually always causes no worse symptoms and has no worse outcomes than a mild cold which is leaving those it infected with natural immunity to all know strains.

Man! You didn't only drink the orange KoolAde, you bathed in that fucker. You are a prime example of the damage that Trump has done to America.

 

[Wickerthing]

And who was the good guy back when the US was lying about Ho Chi Minh and murdered over 3 million innocent Vietnamese who Ho Chi Minh freed from the French?
It was Russia.
The US is the bad guy invading countries.
Russia only is concerned with countries right on its borders, like Poland, Hungary, and Afghanistan.

I fought in Vietnam in 1968-69. I saw my fellow Marines die horrible deaths at the hands of some of those "innocent" people. I killed some of them and was wounded by them. Many of my brothers in arms were killed and wounded by AK 47's provided by your heroes, the Russians. I hate war a whole lot more than those who never fought in one. But unlike your fuckin' orange god I didn't run away when I was called. And I certainly didn't call those who fought, "Suckers and Losers." I didn't come from privilege like General Heel Spurs. And just like the "Very Fine People" that Trump paid homage to, I saw them kill women, children and old people just to make a point of how unfair we were to try to put a stop to that savagery. When madmen and despots decide that they want to expand their footprint to make a testosterone based statement by acts of evil beyond imagination, those who carry out those dreams are not fine people. How dare you shit on your country and take the side of our enemies. Seems you have learned a whole lot of lessons in insanity from your gutless wonder wannabe strongman. He's not what he claims to be. Strong? He's one of the weakest people on the planet. Honorable? He's the most prolific liar on the planet and smart? Even though he's a fuckin' moron and the clown of all clowns, he is so much smarter than the losers and suckers that fell for his act that it speaks volumes of just how profoundly stupid you and the rest of his walking meatheads are. How does it feel to be a step below a 9 year old in intelligence? Because that is about where his maturity and his level of humanity reside.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

I believe that part of Putin's thinking was that with his help and the disinformation campaign, Trump would be reelected and therefore he (Trump) would further weaken NATO. And that Trump would act as an agent of Russia as he always did. But Biden took him by surprise by winning and was putting NATO back together and so he had to act now or forget about it. The last thing on Putin's mind was to walk on eggshells around Trump. He was a loyal and adoring agent whom Putin could count on to set the stage for whatever daddy Vlad wanted. As evidenced by Trump's actions in Syria, Helsinki, and on the world stage. You weren't paying attention? Doesn't surprise me. That's what indoctrination does to your senses, strikes you willfully blind and deaf. Someday, like all of you zombie-like loyalists, you will deny that you ever believed in him or supported him or voted for him. That's called a coward's way to self preservation. You'll be the one who will have to live with all of that. Mark my words, Comrade!

How precisely did Trump weaken NATO exactly, be specific won't you?

 

[Big Bend Texas]

And who was the good guy back when the US was lying about Ho Chi Minh and murdered over 3 million innocent Vietnamese who Ho Chi Minh freed from the French?
It was Russia.
The US is the bad guy invading countries.
Russia only is concerned with countries right on its borders, like Poland, Hungary, and Afghanistan.

Russia murdered millions of their own people in the purges following the war and disappered millions more.

They murdered native populations of the Soviet Republics like Ukraine by seizing their food and fuel during the worst winters of the era and replaced them in the spring with "Ethnic Russians".

They are the worst kind of Evil but we had a common interest with them in removing Hitler.

Patton was right, we should have just rested and refit our military in Europe until after VJ day, let the Pacific troops have sufficient rest and refit on their equipment then hit the Russians on a 3 front war to finish off Stalin and his murderous henchmen.

They decided to live with the devil though because both the US and Europe were tired of war and wanted their men to come home so we did.

A free country cannot win a major war without the political will of the people behind it.

Thus we spend most of the next fifty years fighting Russians and their proxies all over the world.

If Putin is not stopped in Ukraine we're going to have to learn a very painful lesson again the hardest way possible.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

That is stupid.
Tell he something bad Russia has done?
Russia is not the one invading countries constantly like the US is.
And actually Russia had defended democracy in countries the US was illegally trying to harm, like Vietnam, Cuba, Syria, etc.
It is the US that is the evil aggressor.

Instead of invading most of them he instead started communist insurgents and provided them with everything they needed to defeat their existing gov'ts then continued propping up puppet regime after puppet regime and starting indirect wars with the US through their puppet states.

Of course you seem to forget about the countries Russia did invade, occupy, and subjugate for forty or fifty years such as Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Latvia, Lithuania, Finland, and Poland.

 

[Wickerthing]

How precisely did Trump weaken NATO exactly, be specific won't you?

Did you not see how the US under Trump became a running joke among the leaders of NATO alligned countries? How he worked them for money and how he treated them with disrespect? Merkle, Trudeau, etc etc. When he spoke to an audience of those leaders and bragged incessantly about how "nobody has ever done as much for peace and harmony etc etc or for blah blah blah. His usual self aggrandizement bullshit and the entire audience broke out in laughter. We as a nation became pariahs in their eyes. After witnessing what transpired between him and Zelenskyy for instance and how he attempted to extort political favors in exchange for the money approved by congress for the defense of Ukraine against Russian aggression, it was felt throughout the NATO alliance. They could no longer trust America to keep its promises. Etc etc. Do a little research about how the relationship changed between our allies and our leadership. If you're not willing to do a little digging then don't conversve with me. Find those answers on your own.

 

[bripat9643]

Republicans in Congress are looking for a neo-neocon approach to the war in Ukraine, setting up a much more traditional political battle in coming months than we've been accustomed to in recent years. Attacking Biden as weak on support for Ukraine is just the logical course to take. It's a low risk/high reward strategy. Only the trashiest of human trash would begrudge the party for strong support of Ukraine in the face of Russia's invasion.

The Republican party could rebuild the GOP brand into a political machine that dominates the midterms based on its own return to something resembling normal order. Eschewing Russian influence in America, a resurgent romanticism for America as the golden city on a hill, attacking Biden on legitimate policy differences even while standing in solidarity over the most pressing issue facing the nation, a mostly clean fight all the way around. This is the kind of thing that could make Donald's sway with the trash base obsolete. And by the 2024 primary, as Donald repeatedly doubles down on his bromance with Putin, he'll simply be too toxic.

Republicans try to out-hawk Biden on Ukraine aid

Why would the Republican party want to de-Trumpify itself?

 

[scruffy]

Did you not see how the US under Trump became a running joke among the leaders of NATO alligned countries? How he worked them for money and how he treated them with disrespect? Merkle, Trudeau, etc etc. When he spoke to an audience of those leaders and bragged incessantly about how "nobody has ever done as much for peace and harmony etc etc or for blah blah blah. His usual self aggrandizement bullshit and the entire audience broke out in laughter. We as a nation became pariahs in their eyes. After witnessing what transpired between him and Zelenskyy for instance and how he attempted to extort political favors in exchange for the money approved by congress for the defense of Ukraine against Russian aggression, it was felt throughout the NATO alliance. They could no longer trust America to keep its promises. Etc etc. Do a little research about how the relationship changed between our allies and our leadership. If you're not willing to do a little digging then don't conversve with me. Find those answers on your own.

So what?

SO WHAT?

We've been carrying our allies for DECADES, and now their so-called 'leaders" are trying to destroy the world.

Every one of those idiots is on board with Klaus Schwab and his great reset. Merkel, Macron, Trudeau, all of them.

We just saw EXACTLY how our allies behave. That moron Turd-O up north showed us quite clearly.

We don't need allies who suck our coffers dry. As a matter of fact, we don't need allies at all

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Did you not see how the US under Trump became a running joke among the leaders of NATO alligned countries? How he worked them for money and how he treated them with disrespect? Merkle, Trudeau, etc etc. When he spoke to an audience of those leaders and bragged incessantly about how "nobody has ever done as much for peace and harmony etc etc or for blah blah blah. His usual self aggrandizement bullshit and the entire audience broke out in laughter. We as a nation became pariahs in their eyes. After witnessing what transpired between him and Zelenskyy for instance and how he attempted to extort political favors in exchange for the money approved by congress for the defense of Ukraine against Russian aggression, it was felt throughout the NATO alliance. They could no longer trust America to keep its promises. Etc etc. Do a little research about how the relationship changed between our allies and our leadership. If you're not willing to do a little digging then don't conversve with me. Find those answers on your own.

Those are fabrications, you claimed he weakened NATO.

What he actually did was make the face the cold hard reality that it was time they started paying a fair share of their own defense and warned if they did not Russia would again go on the march.

He has of course now been completely vindicated and proven right.

Germany was at the fore of the countries poopooing him at the time and now suddenly overnight they saw he was correct and doubled their defense budget and is working the rest of the EU and NATO member states to do the same thing.

Sometimes people living in a fantasy world need a cold hard slap and someone how things really are.

They got used to 8 years of Obama running around the world kissing ass and apologizing for what a horrible country we are after at our expense The Soviet Union was broken and disbanded thinking that as long as they appeased Putin buying petroleum and metals from him he'd be satisfied with what he had and enjoy getting rich off of the backs of the working people in Western and Southeastern Europe, while continuing to ride the working men and women of this country to blindly continue paying for their defense instead of themselves.

We've become the largest debtor nation on earth and continuing with the status quo from the Pre Trump Era was and is simply no longer an option.

Yes they laughed and mocked him and everyone who did is now regretting it and Europe is already seeing it's first major war since WWII and there's nothing to hold Putin back from repeat performances unless he's forcibly stopped in Ukraine and stripped of his national wealth in reparations and through sanctions until he can no longer even consider funding an expeditionary force and instead draws back within his own borders to defend whatever remains.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Did you not see how the US under Trump became a running joke among the leaders of NATO alligned countries? How he worked them for money and how he treated them with disrespect? Merkle, Trudeau, etc etc. When he spoke to an audience of those leaders and bragged incessantly about how "nobody has ever done as much for peace and harmony etc etc or for blah blah blah. His usual self aggrandizement bullshit and the entire audience broke out in laughter. We as a nation became pariahs in their eyes. After witnessing what transpired between him and Zelenskyy for instance and how he attempted to extort political favors in exchange for the money approved by congress for the defense of Ukraine against Russian aggression, it was felt throughout the NATO alliance. They could no longer trust America to keep its promises. Etc etc. Do a little research about how the relationship changed between our allies and our leadership. If you're not willing to do a little digging then don't conversve with me. Find those answers on your own.

When you make a claim it's up to you to provide the support for it when asked. It's not up to me or anybody else to carry the ball for you.

I forgot to ask, what year were you drafted, 67 or 68?

 

[Wickerthing]

When you make a claim it's up to you to provide the support for it when asked. It's not up to me or anybody else to carry the ball for you.

I forgot to ask, what year were you drafted, 67 or 68?

Who said I was drafted? You always have the choice to stop talking to me. The fact that you have not been paying attention to what Trump has been up to is on you. It's not my job to catch you up on current events. BTW When did I get on your payroll? Before you leave, when can I expect my severance pay?