Will Obama Still be Blaming Bush 3 Years from now?

[ElmerMudd]

I voted for Obama, and think he's doing a better job than his predecessor, but the finger pointing routine is getting old.

Everything's always about the mess he inherited, not the flaws in his current plans to fix things. I don't remember Clinton running around talking about Bush Sr like this, maybe Hillary should challenge Obama in 2012. She's got more balls than he does.

One reason Clinton did not do as much finger pointing is Bush Sr. was a much better president than his son.

I agree that the focus must be forward not backward but I feel Obama is doing a pretty good job of that.

 

[hjmick]

You people are praying that he will fail, period.

Quite the contrary, Maggie, I hope he succeeds. For the sake of this country, I truly hope he succeeds. But not at the expense of this country.

People cry out that Obama is a Socialist, I used to say, "Wait, we don't know that, yet." But I must say, taking control of the auto industry, buying into the banking industry, and much of what I have heard and read concerning the healthcare reforms he is rushing, yes, rushing, to get passed have me scratching my head. What's the hurry? The onus is on him and his acolytes to prove Socialism is not where he is leading this country. So far...??



Just as I did not believe that Bush was a bad man, I do not believe this of Obama. Can you say the same about your feelings for Bush?

 

[Xenophon]

Does a bear shit in the woods?

Is the pope catholic?

Is Richard simmons gay?

 

[American Horse]

I don't remember Bush II going against Clinton much. There wasn't that much of a policy change. Or any real problem he could pin on him.

Don't forget 9/11 and the "wall" and failure to get OBL when he had the chance. And he never once said any thing about it; Bush himself is not to be confused with some who took up the cudgel on that, but not Bush nor anyone else in the adminstration ever said a word.

 

[Baruch Menachem]

I don't remember Bush II going against Clinton much. There wasn't that much of a policy change. Or any real problem he could pin on him.

Don't forget 9/11 and the "wall" and failure to shoot OBL when he had the chance. And he never once said any thing about it; Bush is not to be confused some who took up the cudgel on that, but not Bush or anyone in the adminstration said a word.

Well, the problem with some of the conservative opposition to Clinton (Including me) and his responses to OBL, is we thought most of the responses Clinton did do were either politicly motivated grandstanding or feckless. But the reality Clinton faced is he couldn't do a whole lot about the Afghan problem because of domestic considerations. Even though a substantial plurality didn't agree with me, I felt Clinton as commander in chief was bad for the troops. I would not have agreed with him doing much, because I felt and feel that we would have got a MacNamara style mess all over again. The current situation is not great, but I think a similar response by Clinton, based on his style of leadership, would have been substantially worse. YMMV, of course.

The 'wall' was part of bi partisan consensus about the proper role and behavior of the CIA and other intelligence agencies, the wall was kind of short and thin sometimes like during the Kennedy years, and maybe excessively thick and tall during the Clinton years. (I happen to think the Clinton wall was way excessive) There are and were legitimate reasons for doing it that way. Given the way 0bama behaves with sensitive information, I wish it were strong and thick again.

Clinton and I both pretty much came of age in the same milieu of Watergate and the Church committee. Given those two inputs into how we view the world, I think a thick tall wall is reasonable.

 

[DiveCon]

I don't remember Bush II going against Clinton much. There wasn't that much of a policy change. Or any real problem he could pin on him.

Don't forget 9/11 and the "wall" and failure to shoot OBL when he had the chance. And he never once said any thing about it; Bush is not to be confused some who took up the cudgel on that, but not Bush or anyone in the adminstration said a word.

Well, the problem with some of the conservative opposition to Clinton (Including me) and his responses to OBL, is we thought most of the responses Clinton did do were either politicly motivated grandstanding or feckless. But the reality Clinton faced is he couldn't do a whole lot about the Afghan problem because of domestic considerations. Even though a substantial plurality didn't agree with me, I felt Clinton as commander in chief was bad for the troops. I would not have agreed with him doing much, because I felt and feel that we would have got a MacNamara style mess all over again. The current situation is not great, but I think a similar response by Clinton, based on his style of leadership, would have been substantially worse. YMMV, of course.

The 'wall' was part of bi partisan consensus about the proper role and behavior of the CIA and other intelligence agencies, the wall was kind of short and thin sometimes like during the Kennedy years, and maybe excessively thick and tall during the Clinton years. (I happen to think the Clinton wall was way excessive) There are and were legitimate reasons for doing it that way. Given the way 0bama behaves with sensitive information, I wish it were strong and thick again.

Clinton and I both pretty much came of age in the same milieu of Watergate and the Church committee. Given those two inputs into how we view the world, I think a thick tall wall is reasonable.

when clinton launched the cruise missiles into A-Stan and Iraq, i thought "its about time" then 2 weeks later no follow up
thats when the "wag the dog" comments started

 

[Baruch Menachem]

0bama also promised us better relations world wide. I personally think relations are worse, and scarier. At this point it is still a matter of YMMV, but I think international relations became 0bama's albatross on Jan 20.

Wrong again. He has better relations with world leaders because he respects them.

Well, again, this is an area of YMMV, but if they think he is a tool, which I think to be the case, they won't tell us that, will they.

Back in the day... John Candy and Bill Murray made a movie called Stripes. One of the scenes in the movie is where John Candy teaches a novice about poker. 0bama's behavior vis a vis the Iranians reminds me of that scene, with the Iranians in the role of Candy. Were the stakes not so high, it would be very funny.

 

[American Horse]

<SNIP>
in press conferences [Obama said]: "I'll take responsibility. It's my job to make sure that we fix these messes, even if I don't make them."
<SNIP>

A very telling phrase....still keeping wiggle room it appears to me.

 

[Xenophon]

How about he fixes the messes he does make, like his porkulous, crap & trade and health non care bills?

 

[MaggieMae]

Bush Jr. sure blamed Clinton a lot.

I don't hear any of them "blaming" each other, personally. The rhetoric is always about the prior ADMINISTRATION did this, that, the other--or not. And that is perfectly legitimate.

Obama keeps saying "i inherited" every chance he gets

But never adds "...from Bush..." Everyone knows he's talking about the prior administration. Frankly, I don't blame Bush for much of it, but I do blame his administration.

 

[MaggieMae]

Will Obama Still be Blaming Bush 3 Years from now?

That whiny little bitch will be blaming BOOOOOOSH until his last dying breath.

And DOOOOOOOOOD will be whining about it 'til his dying breath. Too bad.

 

[xsited1]

i voted for obama...

 

[Baruch Menachem]

That is disingenuous. An axiom of politics is personnel is policy... Which is why 0bama is getting all that heat about his science guy.

Bush put people in place to achieve certain goals. The Bush administration is the people Bush place in jobs for goals he wished to achieve. The Bush Administration is Bush.

 

[MaggieMae]

You people are praying that he will fail, period.

Quite the contrary, Maggie, I hope he succeeds. For the sake of this country, I truly hope he succeeds. But not at the expense of this country.

People cry out that Obama is a Socialist, I used to say, "Wait, we don't know that, yet." But I must say, taking control of the auto industry, buying into the banking industry, and much of what I have heard and read concerning the healthcare reforms he is rushing, yes, rushing, to get passed have me scratching my head. What's the hurry? The onus is on him and his acolytes to prove Socialism is not where he is leading this country. So far...??



Just as I did not believe that Bush was a bad man, I do not believe this of Obama. Can you say the same about your feelings for Bush?

How can those be considered "socialist" when both were in effect saved so that they can continue as PRIVATE ENTERPRISES? And he didn't "take control" of either. Goldman-Sachs has repaid all of the TARP money, PLUS interest amounting to a whopping 23% back to the American taxpayer. Such a deal. GM continues to work through its bankruptcy, but is up and running as a FOR-PROFIT business. It has not been nationalized.

 

[RadiomanATL]

How can those be considered "socialist" when both were in effect saved so that they can continue as PRIVATE ENTERPRISES?

That seems eerily similar to: "We had to destroy the village to save it".

 

[MaggieMae]

I don't remember Bush II going against Clinton much. There wasn't that much of a policy change. Or any real problem he could pin on him.

Don't forget 9/11 and the "wall" and failure to get OBL when he had the chance. And he never once said any thing about it; Bush himself is not to be confused with some who took up the cudgel on that, but not Bush nor anyone else in the adminstration ever said a word.

It's obvious you need to do a LOT more exploring of the circumstances concerning the wall. Ironically, it continues to exist today, no thanks to Ashcroft who demonized Jamie Gorrelick for it, then had to admit he hadn't tried to end it either. As for going after bin Laden, there were international circumstances that needed to be considered when he had set up shop in the Sudan, where he was cornered. The US did not have extradition rights with Sudan, and being a barbarian Muslim country, they weren't about to turn him over just to be nice. Saudi Arabia was asked to intervene, but they didn't want bin Laden back either. He had been excommunicated years before.

The biggest blunder in failing to capture bin Laden was at Tora Bora when he was trapped by special forces, but in order to take him, the order needed to proceed up the chain of command (Rumsfeld), who decided to allow an Afghan tribal militia to take him. Which of course they didn't, instead allowing OBL to cross into Pakistan. Talk about a "wall" of [non]authority leading to huge messes...

 

[Oddball]

How can those be considered "socialist" when both were in effect saved so that they can continue as PRIVATE ENTERPRISES?

That seems eerily similar to: "We had to destroy the village to save it".

We needed the arsonists to put out the fire.

 

[MaggieMae]

<SNIP>
in press conferences [Obama said]: "I'll take responsibility. It's my job to make sure that we fix these messes, even if I don't make them."
<SNIP>

A very telling phrase....still keeping wiggle room it appears to me.

Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't, eh? At least the man admits that he may well fail, which is what the response to the allegation that Obama won't accept accountability. Whoever posted it is dead wrong.

 

[MaggieMae]

How about he fixes the messes he does make, like his porkulous, crap & trade and health non care bills?

Cap and trade, and the health care bill, are not signed deals yet. Far from it. Pay attention.

And it seems every now and then you folks need a reminder that not ALL "earmarks" are pork. "Pork" is what the members of the House of Representatives DO--bring home the bacon--as promised to their constituents. Even the so-called "pork" during the BA only amounted to less than 2% of any annual budget. So continuing to make THAT an issue is stupid.

 

[MaggieMae]

i voted for obama...

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Stolen from the Bush/Cheney '04 campaign. Sigh....