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Most people that kept up with the news are aware of this, however the general opinion was formed by the 'no wmd', 'Bush lied' mantras.

WikiLeaks Show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq – With Surprising Results | Danger Room | Wired.com

WikiLeaks Show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq With Surprising Results

* By Noah Shachtman
* October 23, 2010 |
* 9:25 am |

By late 2003, even the Bush White Houses staunchest defenders were starting to give up on the idea that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

But for years afterward, WikiLeaks newly-released Iraq war documents reveal, U.S. troops continued to find chemical weapons labs, encounter insurgent specialists in toxins, and uncover weapons of mass destruction.

An initial glance at the WikiLeaks war logs doesnt reveal evidence of some massive WMD program by the Saddam Hussein regime the Bush administrations most (in)famous rationale for invading Iraq. But chemical weapons, especially, did not vanish from the Iraqi battlefield. Remnants of Saddams toxic arsenal, largely destroyed after the Gulf War, remained. Jihadists, insurgents and foreign (possibly Iranian) agitators turned to these stockpiles during the Iraq conflict and may have brewed up their own deadly agents.

In August 2004, for instance, American forces surreptitiously purchased what they believed to be containers of liquid sulfur mustard, a toxic blister agent used as a chemical weapon since World War I. The troops tested the liquid, and reported two positive results for blister. The chemical was then triple-sealed and transported to a secure site outside their base.

Three months later, in northern Iraq, U.S. scouts went to look in on a chemical weapons complex. One of the bunkers has been tampered with, they write. The integrity of the seal [around the complex] appears intact, but it seems someone is interesting in trying to get into the bunkers.

Meanwhile, the second battle of Fallujah was raging in Anbar province. In the southeastern corner of the city, American forces came across a house with a chemical lab substances found are similar to ones (in lesser quantities located a previous chemical lab. The following day, theres a call in another part of the city for explosive experts to dispose of a chemical cache.

Nearly three years later, American troops were still finding WMD in the region. An armored Buffalo vehicle unearthed a cache of artillery shells that was covered by sacks and leaves under an Iraqi Community Watch checkpoint. The 155mm rounds are filled with an unknown liquid, and several of which are leaking a black tar-like substance. Initial tests were inconclusive. But later, the rounds tested positive for mustard.

In WikiLeaks massive trove of nearly 392,000 Iraq war logs, there are hundreds of references to chemical and biological weapons. Most of those are intelligence reports or initial suspicions of WMD that dont pan out. In July 2004, for example, U.S. forces come across a Baghdad building with gas masks, gas filters, and containers with unknown contents inside. Later investigation revealed those contents to be vitamins.

But even late in the war, WMDs were still being unearthed. In the summer of 2008, according to one WikiLeaked report, American troops found at least 10 rounds that tested positive for chemical agents. These rounds were most likely left over from the [Saddam]-era regime. Based on location, these rounds may be an AQI [Al Qaeda in Iraq] cache. However, the rounds were all total disrepair and did not appear to have been moved for a long time.

A small group mostly of the political right has long maintained that there was more evidence of a major and modern WMD program than the American people were lead to believe. A few Congressmen and Senators gravitated to the idea, but it was largely dismissed as conspiratorial hooey.

The WMD diehards will likely find some comfort in these newly-WikiLeaked documents. Skeptics will note that these relatively small WMD stockpiles were hardly the kind of grave danger that the Bush administration presented in the run-up to the war.

But the more salient issue may be how insurgents and Islamic extremists (possibly with the help of Iran) attempted to use these lethal and exotic arms. As Spencer noted earlier, a January 2006 war log claims that neuroparalytic chemical weapons were smuggled in from Iran.

That same month, then chemical weapons specialists were apprehended in Balad. These foreigners were there specifically to support the chemical weapons operations. The following month, an intelligence report refers to a chemical weapons expert that provided assistance with the gas weapons. What happened to that specialist, the WikiLeaked document doesnt say.

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Heh. I think the latest Wikileaks were supposed to be Democrats' "October surprise."
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Revere said: ↑

Heh. I think the latest Wikileaks were supposed to be Democrats' "October surprise."
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That's why I started a new thread, not going off I think, Mal's.

As I said, this certainly isn't 'news' to those paying attention, but some in the media especially didn't want that part getting out during the war downturn.
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Revere said: ↑

Heh. I think the latest Wikileaks were supposed to be Democrats' "October surprise."
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Maliki think they were released to upset his bid for PM

Maliki has denounced the leaked documents to the press, saying that their release was politically timed to prevent him from gaining a second term as Prime Minister.
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For Iraq?s Maliki, Wikileaks Raises Uncomfortable Questions | Neon Tommy
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And I will repeat for the millionth time, democrats and other world leaders talked about saddam's weapons of mass destruction long before Bush came along.

There was a general belief that saddam had wmds.
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and a little more of 'unexpected' releases:

WikiLeaks nails the wild Lancet scare | Herald Sun Andrew Bolt Blog

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WikiLeaks nails the wild Lancet scare
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Im not sure its what WikiLeaks intended, but its latest leaks reveal that the infamous Lancet paper which claimed the US-led liberation of Iraq cost the lives of 655,000 Iraqis in fact exaggerated the death toll by at least 600 per cent:

The reports detail 109,032 deaths in Iraq (over six years). These include 66,081 civilians, 23,984 enemy insurgents, 15,196 host nation (Iraqi government forces), and 3,771 friendly (coalition) forces. Some 60 percent of the total is civilian deaths.

And thats leaving aside the argument about who actually killed the Iraqis, and whether more would have died under Saddam. Note also that this death toll is less than the number of people murdered in South Africa over the same period, and that even allowing for population differences, Iraqs death toll is now lower.

Settle back and see if thats how the ABC and Fairfax report these latest leaks.
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An initial glance at the WikiLeaks war logs doesn’t reveal evidence of some massive WMD program by the Saddam Hussein regime — the Bush administration’s most (in)famous rationale for invading Iraq. But chemical weapons, especially, did not vanish from the Iraqi battlefield. Remnants of Saddam’s toxic arsenal, largely destroyed after the Gulf War, remained.
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"The smoking gun will be a mushroom cloud" Condi Rice

Far from grounds for an invasion that killed over 80,000 people
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Misty said: ↑

And I will repeat for the millionth time, democrats and other world leaders talked about saddam's weapons of mass destruction long before Bush came along.

There was a general belief that saddam had wmds.
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It's like the world was wrong (including Saddam) but our liberals were right.

They demanded the release of this info, now they can suffer the truth.
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We did not attack Sadam because he had some half degraded blistering agent.

Why do you think Bush did not try to claim this find as his great success?
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