Why obstruction and cover-up charges smack of desperation

[iceberg]

Why obstruction and cover-up charges smack of desperation

we have point and counter point from sharyl attkisson. of course she doesn't take a side but just explains how each point of view could play out.

trump haters hate her also because she doesn't join in so please spare met he RIGHT WING SHILL crap.

only thing i can hope for are people who cry OBSTRUCTION will put their "i must be right" goggles down and consider other reasons for actions that also make sense.

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If you were a person of some authority and murdered someone, and prosecutors set out to investigate, and if you spoke publicly against the investigation, proclaiming your innocence and calling the probe a “witch hunt,” and if you worked behind the scenes to use your influence to fire the lead investigator on the murder case — that would seem to be a pretty clear case of obstruction of justice. You, as a guilty man, would be trying to stop authorities from finding out the truth.

But imagine, on the other hand, that you are innocent — accused of a murder you didn’t commit. Not only that, imagine you knew there was no murder to begin with because you saw the victim walking around after the supposed murder. Then, imagine you found yourself the target of the murder investigation by a team that included people who had declared you to be their sworn enemy and expressed strong desires to take you out. Then, imagine this team that included biased investigators began leaking false information to the national media to implicate you in this crime that you knew you didn’t commit.
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so if you didn't commit these crimes, would you not defend yourself along the way?

the left is not listening to reason - only hate. if you feel otherwise please show me examples of giving trump the benefit of doubt as say hillary or obama. if you do the WELL HILLARY AND OBAMA DIDN'T GET IT then you are simply telling me this is about revenge to you, not right or wrong and ending the hate.

 

[Dekster]

If you knew you were innocent, why would you continue to waste other people's money to fuel your enemy's witch hunt?

As for the left, they are desperate. They had a shitfit because Trump wouldn't authorize the release of the unredacted report because of the classified and sensitive information contained in it, and now they are having a shitfit because he is authorizing the declassification of some of the information.

 

[BULLDOG]

Why obstruction and cover-up charges smack of desperation

we have point and counter point from sharyl attkisson. of course she doesn't take a side but just explains how each point of view could play out.

trump haters hate her also because she doesn't join in so please spare met he RIGHT WING SHILL crap.

only thing i can hope for are people who cry OBSTRUCTION will put their "i must be right" goggles down and consider other reasons for actions that also make sense.

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If you were a person of some authority and murdered someone, and prosecutors set out to investigate, and if you spoke publicly against the investigation, proclaiming your innocence and calling the probe a “witch hunt,” and if you worked behind the scenes to use your influence to fire the lead investigator on the murder case — that would seem to be a pretty clear case of obstruction of justice. You, as a guilty man, would be trying to stop authorities from finding out the truth.

But imagine, on the other hand, that you are innocent — accused of a murder you didn’t commit. Not only that, imagine you knew there was no murder to begin with because you saw the victim walking around after the supposed murder. Then, imagine you found yourself the target of the murder investigation by a team that included people who had declared you to be their sworn enemy and expressed strong desires to take you out. Then, imagine this team that included biased investigators began leaking false information to the national media to implicate you in this crime that you knew you didn’t commit.
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so if you didn't commit these crimes, would you not defend yourself along the way?

the left is not listening to reason - only hate. if you feel otherwise please show me examples of giving trump the benefit of doubt as say hillary or obama. if you do the WELL HILLARY AND OBAMA DIDN'T GET IT then you are simply telling me this is about revenge to you, not right or wrong and ending the hate.

Our laws provide ways to defend yourself. The subject of an investigation trying to shut it down just because he thinks he can is not an acceptable defense. He's president, not king. The laws apply to him too.

 

[gallantwarrior]

Face it, the left would be having a shitfit regardless. They are deranged by their hatred and their lemming-like trek behind their deranged, so-called leadership. Whether guilty, or not, President Trump will face rabid, unreasonable opposition. He's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't so what does it matter whether he protests his innocence?

 

[gallantwarrior]

Why obstruction and cover-up charges smack of desperation

we have point and counter point from sharyl attkisson. of course she doesn't take a side but just explains how each point of view could play out.

trump haters hate her also because she doesn't join in so please spare met he RIGHT WING SHILL crap.

only thing i can hope for are people who cry OBSTRUCTION will put their "i must be right" goggles down and consider other reasons for actions that also make sense.

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If you were a person of some authority and murdered someone, and prosecutors set out to investigate, and if you spoke publicly against the investigation, proclaiming your innocence and calling the probe a “witch hunt,” and if you worked behind the scenes to use your influence to fire the lead investigator on the murder case — that would seem to be a pretty clear case of obstruction of justice. You, as a guilty man, would be trying to stop authorities from finding out the truth.

But imagine, on the other hand, that you are innocent — accused of a murder you didn’t commit. Not only that, imagine you knew there was no murder to begin with because you saw the victim walking around after the supposed murder. Then, imagine you found yourself the target of the murder investigation by a team that included people who had declared you to be their sworn enemy and expressed strong desires to take you out. Then, imagine this team that included biased investigators began leaking false information to the national media to implicate you in this crime that you knew you didn’t commit.
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so if you didn't commit these crimes, would you not defend yourself along the way?

the left is not listening to reason - only hate. if you feel otherwise please show me examples of giving trump the benefit of doubt as say hillary or obama. if you do the WELL HILLARY AND OBAMA DIDN'T GET IT then you are simply telling me this is about revenge to you, not right or wrong and ending the hate.

Our laws provide ways to defend yourself. The subject of an investigation trying to shut it down just because he thinks he can is not an acceptable defense. He's president, not king. The laws apply to him too.

Apparently, laws do not apply to members of Congress, or Hillary Clinton.

 

[BULLDOG]

Face it, the left would be having a shitfit regardless. They are deranged by their hatred and their lemming-like trek behind their deranged, so-called leadership. Whether guilty, or not, President Trump will face rabid, unreasonable opposition. He's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't so what does it matter whether he protests his innocence?

Trying to illegally shut down an investigation is not just protesting his innocence. You don't get that?

 

[gallantwarrior]

Face it, the left would be having a shitfit regardless. They are deranged by their hatred and their lemming-like trek behind their deranged, so-called leadership. Whether guilty, or not, President Trump will face rabid, unreasonable opposition. He's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't so what does it matter whether he protests his innocence?

Trying to illegally shut down an investigation is not just protesting his innocence. You don't get that?

No, because I am not wholly owned by the leftist machine and I certainly don't buy into the current leftard/socialist narrative. But you obviously are and do, so...carry on.

 

[BULLDOG]

Why obstruction and cover-up charges smack of desperation

we have point and counter point from sharyl attkisson. of course she doesn't take a side but just explains how each point of view could play out.

trump haters hate her also because she doesn't join in so please spare met he RIGHT WING SHILL crap.

only thing i can hope for are people who cry OBSTRUCTION will put their "i must be right" goggles down and consider other reasons for actions that also make sense.

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If you were a person of some authority and murdered someone, and prosecutors set out to investigate, and if you spoke publicly against the investigation, proclaiming your innocence and calling the probe a “witch hunt,” and if you worked behind the scenes to use your influence to fire the lead investigator on the murder case — that would seem to be a pretty clear case of obstruction of justice. You, as a guilty man, would be trying to stop authorities from finding out the truth.

But imagine, on the other hand, that you are innocent — accused of a murder you didn’t commit. Not only that, imagine you knew there was no murder to begin with because you saw the victim walking around after the supposed murder. Then, imagine you found yourself the target of the murder investigation by a team that included people who had declared you to be their sworn enemy and expressed strong desires to take you out. Then, imagine this team that included biased investigators began leaking false information to the national media to implicate you in this crime that you knew you didn’t commit.
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so if you didn't commit these crimes, would you not defend yourself along the way?

the left is not listening to reason - only hate. if you feel otherwise please show me examples of giving trump the benefit of doubt as say hillary or obama. if you do the WELL HILLARY AND OBAMA DIDN'T GET IT then you are simply telling me this is about revenge to you, not right or wrong and ending the hate.

Our laws provide ways to defend yourself. The subject of an investigation trying to shut it down just because he thinks he can is not an acceptable defense. He's president, not king. The laws apply to him too.

Apparently, laws do not apply to members of Congress, or Hillary Clinton.

Sure they do. False accusations and lies aren't enough to convict anyone though. If they were, 25 years of republican led investigations of Hillary would have produced something other than a long list of debunked accusations.

 

[BULLDOG]

Face it, the left would be having a shitfit regardless. They are deranged by their hatred and their lemming-like trek behind their deranged, so-called leadership. Whether guilty, or not, President Trump will face rabid, unreasonable opposition. He's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't so what does it matter whether he protests his innocence?

Trying to illegally shut down an investigation is not just protesting his innocence. You don't get that?

No, because I am not wholly owned by the leftist machine and I certainly don't buy into the current leftard/socialist narrative. But you obviously are and do, so...carry on.

So under what circumstances do you think investigation of a president is acceptable? Should Nixon have been able to shut down the Watergate investigation? He said he was innocent too.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

please show me examples of giving trump the benefit of doubt as say hillary or obama.

I have no interest in giving the Orange Virus/Cult45/obama/hillary anything but my middle finger salute.

if you do the WELL HILLARY AND OBAMA DIDN'T GET IT then you are simply telling me this is about revenge to you, not right or wrong and ending the hate.

I'm watching a train wreck happen every day. It's hard to look away sometimes.
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[iceberg]

Why obstruction and cover-up charges smack of desperation

we have point and counter point from sharyl attkisson. of course she doesn't take a side but just explains how each point of view could play out.

trump haters hate her also because she doesn't join in so please spare met he RIGHT WING SHILL crap.

only thing i can hope for are people who cry OBSTRUCTION will put their "i must be right" goggles down and consider other reasons for actions that also make sense.

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If you were a person of some authority and murdered someone, and prosecutors set out to investigate, and if you spoke publicly against the investigation, proclaiming your innocence and calling the probe a “witch hunt,” and if you worked behind the scenes to use your influence to fire the lead investigator on the murder case — that would seem to be a pretty clear case of obstruction of justice. You, as a guilty man, would be trying to stop authorities from finding out the truth.

But imagine, on the other hand, that you are innocent — accused of a murder you didn’t commit. Not only that, imagine you knew there was no murder to begin with because you saw the victim walking around after the supposed murder. Then, imagine you found yourself the target of the murder investigation by a team that included people who had declared you to be their sworn enemy and expressed strong desires to take you out. Then, imagine this team that included biased investigators began leaking false information to the national media to implicate you in this crime that you knew you didn’t commit.
-----
so if you didn't commit these crimes, would you not defend yourself along the way?

the left is not listening to reason - only hate. if you feel otherwise please show me examples of giving trump the benefit of doubt as say hillary or obama. if you do the WELL HILLARY AND OBAMA DIDN'T GET IT then you are simply telling me this is about revenge to you, not right or wrong and ending the hate.

Our laws provide ways to defend yourself. The subject of an investigation trying to shut it down just because he thinks he can is not an acceptable defense. He's president, not king. The laws apply to him too.

as they do for the left but when applied to the left all i hear are micro-sliced reasons why their illegal actions are emotionally justified yet if the right does the "same" thing y'all shit yourselves in anger.

 

[iceberg]

please show me examples of giving trump the benefit of doubt as say hillary or obama.

I have no interest in giving the Orange Virus/Cult45/obama/hillary anything but my middle finger salute.

if you do the WELL HILLARY AND OBAMA DIDN'T GET IT then you are simply telling me this is about revenge to you, not right or wrong and ending the hate.

I'm watching a train wreck happen every day. It's hard to look away sometimes.
.

then put the mirror down.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Why obstruction and cover-up charges smack of desperation

we have point and counter point from sharyl attkisson. of course she doesn't take a side but just explains how each point of view could play out.

trump haters hate her also because she doesn't join in so please spare met he RIGHT WING SHILL crap.

only thing i can hope for are people who cry OBSTRUCTION will put their "i must be right" goggles down and consider other reasons for actions that also make sense.

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If you were a person of some authority and murdered someone, and prosecutors set out to investigate, and if you spoke publicly against the investigation, proclaiming your innocence and calling the probe a “witch hunt,” and if you worked behind the scenes to use your influence to fire the lead investigator on the murder case — that would seem to be a pretty clear case of obstruction of justice. You, as a guilty man, would be trying to stop authorities from finding out the truth.

But imagine, on the other hand, that you are innocent — accused of a murder you didn’t commit. Not only that, imagine you knew there was no murder to begin with because you saw the victim walking around after the supposed murder. Then, imagine you found yourself the target of the murder investigation by a team that included people who had declared you to be their sworn enemy and expressed strong desires to take you out. Then, imagine this team that included biased investigators began leaking false information to the national media to implicate you in this crime that you knew you didn’t commit.
-----
so if you didn't commit these crimes, would you not defend yourself along the way?

the left is not listening to reason - only hate. if you feel otherwise please show me examples of giving trump the benefit of doubt as say hillary or obama. if you do the WELL HILLARY AND OBAMA DIDN'T GET IT then you are simply telling me this is about revenge to you, not right or wrong and ending the hate.

A distinction without a difference. It's obstruction in either case. Guilt is not a statutory requirement.
Mueller outlined all of the elements required for obstruction. At least four of the ten instances outlined by Mueller met all of the elements.

 

[caddo kid]

If you knew you were innocent, why would you continue to waste other people's money to fuel your enemy's witch hunt?

I have asked MANY people that exact same question; why would an innocent person act so guilty, at every step of the investigation, such as Trump did?

Trump supporters just act like a bunch of fucking third graders saying shit like, 'well, if you were being investigated you would be mad too.'

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

 

[caddo kid]

Why obstruction and cover-up charges smack of desperation

we have point and counter point from sharyl attkisson. of course she doesn't take a side but just explains how each point of view could play out.

trump haters hate her also because she doesn't join in so please spare met he RIGHT WING SHILL crap.

only thing i can hope for are people who cry OBSTRUCTION will put their "i must be right" goggles down and consider other reasons for actions that also make sense.

-----
If you were a person of some authority and murdered someone, and prosecutors set out to investigate, and if you spoke publicly against the investigation, proclaiming your innocence and calling the probe a “witch hunt,” and if you worked behind the scenes to use your influence to fire the lead investigator on the murder case — that would seem to be a pretty clear case of obstruction of justice. You, as a guilty man, would be trying to stop authorities from finding out the truth.

But imagine, on the other hand, that you are innocent — accused of a murder you didn’t commit. Not only that, imagine you knew there was no murder to begin with because you saw the victim walking around after the supposed murder. Then, imagine you found yourself the target of the murder investigation by a team that included people who had declared you to be their sworn enemy and expressed strong desires to take you out. Then, imagine this team that included biased investigators began leaking false information to the national media to implicate you in this crime that you knew you didn’t commit.
-----
so if you didn't commit these crimes, would you not defend yourself along the way?

the left is not listening to reason - only hate. if you feel otherwise please show me examples of giving trump the benefit of doubt as say hillary or obama. if you do the WELL HILLARY AND OBAMA DIDN'T GET IT then you are simply telling me this is about revenge to you, not right or wrong and ending the hate.

Our laws provide ways to defend yourself. The subject of an investigation trying to shut it down just because he thinks he can is not an acceptable defense. He's president, not king. The laws apply to him too.

Trumpers however do NOT agree that their DICTATOR should have to abide by the law, just like the peasants do.

 

[iceberg]

Face it, the left would be having a shitfit regardless. They are deranged by their hatred and their lemming-like trek behind their deranged, so-called leadership. Whether guilty, or not, President Trump will face rabid, unreasonable opposition. He's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't so what does it matter whether he protests his innocence?

Trying to illegally shut down an investigation is not just protesting his innocence. You don't get that?

No, because I am not wholly owned by the leftist machine and I certainly don't buy into the current leftard/socialist narrative. But you obviously are and do, so...carry on.

So under what circumstances do you think investigation of a president is acceptable? Should Nixon have been able to shut down the Watergate investigation? He said he was innocent too.

when there's an honest basis for his crime. your saying THIS IS HONEST so far has not turned up ANYTHING to show there was ever an issue to investigate.

so to counter your question - at what point are INVESTIGATIONS *not* an investigation but merely any method possible to oust an elected president?

NOTHING was found to warrant the investigation. NOTHING. but we have found a lot of strange behaviors on those who conducted it that are NOT normal of ANY investigation. this OBSTRUCTION would be fine except going for it clearly shows the utter failure of ANY russian collusion.

so - the left needs to know crying INVESTIGATE w/o a proper basis to call for one is bullshit. now you can hand me benghazi but we have an event to question, not theory and maybe. we also had those being investigated deleting evidence and the like.

when someone does that, investigate. but to make up bullshit to just scream about is so kavanaugh and last year. that path needs to be shut down before we go irreversibly out of control.

 

[iceberg]

Why obstruction and cover-up charges smack of desperation

we have point and counter point from sharyl attkisson. of course she doesn't take a side but just explains how each point of view could play out.

trump haters hate her also because she doesn't join in so please spare met he RIGHT WING SHILL crap.

only thing i can hope for are people who cry OBSTRUCTION will put their "i must be right" goggles down and consider other reasons for actions that also make sense.

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If you were a person of some authority and murdered someone, and prosecutors set out to investigate, and if you spoke publicly against the investigation, proclaiming your innocence and calling the probe a “witch hunt,” and if you worked behind the scenes to use your influence to fire the lead investigator on the murder case — that would seem to be a pretty clear case of obstruction of justice. You, as a guilty man, would be trying to stop authorities from finding out the truth.

But imagine, on the other hand, that you are innocent — accused of a murder you didn’t commit. Not only that, imagine you knew there was no murder to begin with because you saw the victim walking around after the supposed murder. Then, imagine you found yourself the target of the murder investigation by a team that included people who had declared you to be their sworn enemy and expressed strong desires to take you out. Then, imagine this team that included biased investigators began leaking false information to the national media to implicate you in this crime that you knew you didn’t commit.
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so if you didn't commit these crimes, would you not defend yourself along the way?

the left is not listening to reason - only hate. if you feel otherwise please show me examples of giving trump the benefit of doubt as say hillary or obama. if you do the WELL HILLARY AND OBAMA DIDN'T GET IT then you are simply telling me this is about revenge to you, not right or wrong and ending the hate.

Our laws provide ways to defend yourself. The subject of an investigation trying to shut it down just because he thinks he can is not an acceptable defense. He's president, not king. The laws apply to him too.

Trumpers however do NOT agree that their DICTATOR should have to abide by the law, just like the peasants do.

when you can speak intelligently about issues people may listen. til then you're just an angry 12 year old calling people names to satisfy your own stupidity.

 

[caddo kid]

Why obstruction and cover-up charges smack of desperation

we have point and counter point from sharyl attkisson. of course she doesn't take a side but just explains how each point of view could play out.

trump haters hate her also because she doesn't join in so please spare met he RIGHT WING SHILL crap.

only thing i can hope for are people who cry OBSTRUCTION will put their "i must be right" goggles down and consider other reasons for actions that also make sense.

-----
If you were a person of some authority and murdered someone, and prosecutors set out to investigate, and if you spoke publicly against the investigation, proclaiming your innocence and calling the probe a “witch hunt,” and if you worked behind the scenes to use your influence to fire the lead investigator on the murder case — that would seem to be a pretty clear case of obstruction of justice. You, as a guilty man, would be trying to stop authorities from finding out the truth.

But imagine, on the other hand, that you are innocent — accused of a murder you didn’t commit. Not only that, imagine you knew there was no murder to begin with because you saw the victim walking around after the supposed murder. Then, imagine you found yourself the target of the murder investigation by a team that included people who had declared you to be their sworn enemy and expressed strong desires to take you out. Then, imagine this team that included biased investigators began leaking false information to the national media to implicate you in this crime that you knew you didn’t commit.
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so if you didn't commit these crimes, would you not defend yourself along the way?

the left is not listening to reason - only hate. if you feel otherwise please show me examples of giving trump the benefit of doubt as say hillary or obama. if you do the WELL HILLARY AND OBAMA DIDN'T GET IT then you are simply telling me this is about revenge to you, not right or wrong and ending the hate.

A distinction without a difference. It's obstruction in either case. Guilt is not a statutory requirement.
Mueller outlined all of the elements required for obstruction. At least four of the ten instances outlined by Mueller met all of the elements.

You speak the truth but Trumpers see their DICTATOR as a 'God' that has all power over all beings.

Lord 'God' Trump is above ANY & ALL law.

 

[iceberg]

If you knew you were innocent, why would you continue to waste other people's money to fuel your enemy's witch hunt?

I have asked MANY people that exact same question; why would an innocent person act so guilty, at every step of the investigation, such as Trump did?

Trump supporters just act like a bunch of fucking third graders saying shit like, 'well, if you were being investigated you would be mad too.'

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

to quote your hero then - "what difference does it all make now?"

i missed you bitching at hillary and her "i do not recall" record answers and her own games she played around being under inves...oh wait - they had to call it a "matter" do you'd not freak out.

 

[caddo kid]

Face it, the left would be having a shitfit regardless. They are deranged by their hatred and their lemming-like trek behind their deranged, so-called leadership. Whether guilty, or not, President Trump will face rabid, unreasonable opposition. He's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't so what does it matter whether he protests his innocence?

Trying to illegally shut down an investigation is not just protesting his innocence. You don't get that?

No, because I am not wholly owned by the leftist machine and I certainly don't buy into the current leftard/socialist narrative. But you obviously are and do, so...carry on.

So under what circumstances do you think investigation of a president is acceptable? Should Nixon have been able to shut down the Watergate investigation? He said he was innocent too.

when there's an honest basis for his crime. your saying THIS IS HONEST so far has not turned up ANYTHING to show there was ever an issue to investigate.

so to counter your question - at what point are INVESTIGATIONS *not* an investigation but merely any method possible to oust an elected president?

NOTHING was found to warrant the investigation. NOTHING. but we have found a lot of strange behaviors on those who conducted it that are NOT normal of ANY investigation. this OBSTRUCTION would be fine except going for it clearly shows the utter failure of ANY russian collusion.

so - the left needs to know crying INVESTIGATE w/o a proper basis to call for one is bullshit. now you can hand me benghazi but we have an event to question, not theory and maybe. we also had those being investigated deleting evidence and the like.

when someone does that, investigate. but to make up bullshit to just scream about is so kavanaugh and last year. that path needs to be shut down before we go irreversibly out of control.

That is a COMPLETE LOAD of HORSE SHIT



The investigation was TWO FOLD:
(1) Investigate Russian meddling & interference in the 2016 election
(2) Investigate any potential conspiracy between Russian assets & Trump assets as pertaining to the 2016 election


You really do NOT pay attention, do you?