Why Hitler lost (lecture by limey)

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    since you all like to talk about hitler out here
     
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    Short story......Hitler was a raving lunatic...........Wouldn't let competent Generals command........Micromanaged the War..........

    Fired scientist and engineers because he was in a bad mood that day.............He was actually the best dang ally of the allies because of his stupidity......

    Not to mention he way overplayed their hands............
     
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    .....actually there was no way he could win against the two greatest powers--with much larger populations--let alone Russia by itself
    ...there are ''few'' instances of invading countries completely winning/total war --completely/partly winning

    this is easy---he took on the US and Russia!! that's why
    even if the generals were in charge--he still would've lost

    ...it is phenomenal that Germany defeated France --so ''quickly''--but it wasn't an unconditional surrender--not a total win --
    and there were still resistance fighters and the Allies landed Spec Ops/spies into France
    ..the Allies bombed France/Germans in France/raided/etc
    so not a complete--final victory
     
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    history always shows the loser in a negative light.

    Hitler's invasion of Russia isn't so crazy one you realize Russia was defeated in 2 months.
    The Germans over estimated Russian defense and failed to advance into the city where Stalin was waiting for the Germans to take him away. This gave time for the Russian army to return.

    According to the guy who made this video, the Royal air force was within days of collapse and Barbarossa was the largest invasion in history (3 million men)
     
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    What Were The Biggest Strategic Mistakes The Germans Made During World War II?

    The Balkan Campaign:

    While the Balkans did net the Germans a reliable source of oil, attempting to squeeze an invasion of the Balkans and Operation Barbarossa into the same summer was a gigantic mistake. Others have pointed out the mistakes the Germans made regarding Barbarossa and their supplies and equipment, but had the operation kicked off on schedule (about a month and a half before it actually began), the Wehrmacht would have had a good chance of being in Moscow before the worst of the winter hit.



    They divided their forces and attacked late...............Had they finished the Balkan first then both armies could have invaded at the same time..............They attacked too close to winter..........and didn't prepare to properly supply the army. Not even proper winter clothing..............They didn't really know wear the Russian divisions were.......and at the initial invasion they didn't have the Panzers.............
     
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    Mussolini's attack on Greece delayed Barbarossa six weeks. Otherwise, Hitler would have taken Moscow and Stalin would have capitulated. In that case, Britain would have been faced with a protracted air war with Germany with no prospects for invading Europe.

    However the subsequent Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor and declaration of war by the U.S., Hitler would have been forced to declare war on an invulnerable U.S. or else see his ally Japan more quickly defeated. (The U.S. devoted 80% of its war effort to defeating Germany.)

    Thus, Hitler had a short window of opportunity in 1941 to negotiate an agreement to guarantee Britain's independence in return for ceasing the shipment of war materials. Churchill would have been opposed, but Roosevelt's sense of grandiosity (a la Woodrow Wilson) might have tempted him to be seen as the world's peace maker. In that event, Britain would not have the means to prosecute the war against Germany.

    Ultimately, fleets of B-36 bombers with nuclear weapons would have forced a German surrender. But this was science fiction in 1941.
     
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