Why do you need No or One or Two state solution, while solution is already there.

[Sixties Fan]

Holy land should be not be divided at any cost, as solution is already there and lasted for not 1 or 2 years but lasted for 900 years until the elite forces destroyed the lasting peace. And It was a great example of multiculturalism and multi religion ism and people means Muslim,Christian and Jews were living in harmony. And to day's world especially western world facing problem how to create that harmony holy land had for 900 years. Means western world struggling to establish multicultural society in their countries.

Jews were living under oppression under Muslim Ottoman Empire.
They were being attacked every now and then.

Your fantasyland does not work in the real world.

This is a totally non necessary thread as there are more than enough of them about it at the top.

Post about the topic on those threads, do not start another one.

Please don't alter the history we all know that after the Jesus PBUH crucified means Roman adopted the Christianity as their religion and ask to Jews leave Holy Land.

May I ask where did you learn your history?
Which books?
Which country?

Ask to Roman.

That is not an answer.

The Romans are all gone, by the way. You should know that.
And you have clearly not learned all you are posting from any Roman.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Holy land should be not be divided at any cost, as solution is already there and lasted for not 1 or 2 years but lasted for 900 years until the elite forces destroyed the lasting peace. And It was a great example of multiculturalism and multi religion ism and people means Muslim,Christian and Jews were living in harmony. And to day's world especially western world facing problem how to create that harmony holy land had for 900 years. Means western world struggling to establish multicultural society in their countries.

Holy land should be not be divided at any cost,

I agree, send all those Muslims packing.
I hear Syria has room.

 

[Rehmani]

Holy land should be not be divided at any cost, as solution is already there and lasted for not 1 or 2 years but lasted for 900 years until the elite forces destroyed the lasting peace. And It was a great example of multiculturalism and multi religion ism and people means Muslim,Christian and Jews were living in harmony. And to day's world especially western world facing problem how to create that harmony holy land had for 900 years. Means western world struggling to establish multicultural society in their countries.

The "holy land" has been soaked in blood for millenia, and will be until it's current religions go the way of Zeus and Ra.

Like Chicago?

Lol you fucking retard. No, Chicago cannot compare to millenia of idiots slaughtering each other for disagreeing on the rules for their pretend play.

Africa?
Balkans?
India and Paskintan?
Entire Muslim world?

Please discuss the issue don't escape.

 

[Indeependent]

Holy land should be not be divided at any cost, as solution is already there and lasted for not 1 or 2 years but lasted for 900 years until the elite forces destroyed the lasting peace. And It was a great example of multiculturalism and multi religion ism and people means Muslim,Christian and Jews were living in harmony. And to day's world especially western world facing problem how to create that harmony holy land had for 900 years. Means western world struggling to establish multicultural society in their countries.

The "holy land" has been soaked in blood for millenia, and will be until it's current religions go the way of Zeus and Ra.

Like Chicago?

Lol you fucking retard. No, Chicago cannot compare to millenia of idiots slaughtering each other for disagreeing on the rules for their pretend play.

Africa?
Balkans?
India and Paskintan?
Entire Muslim world?

Please discuss the issue don't escape.

What issue?
The fact that peace is an illusion?

 

[flacaltenn]

Holy land should be not be divided at any cost, as solution is already there and lasted for not 1 or 2 years but lasted for 900 years until the elite forces destroyed the lasting peace. And It was a great example of multiculturalism and multi religion ism and people means Muslim,Christian and Jews were living in harmony. And to day's world especially western world facing problem how to create that harmony holy land had for 900 years. Means western world struggling to establish multicultural society in their countries.

I'll meet you half way here. The Holy Land should be LESS divided. Not just Israel and the Levant region. But including Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt and other WILLING nations.

If you look at the natural political and trade tendencies for that larger region -- there was MASSIVE amounts of trade wandering thru the Holy land. It was the rest stop for caravans going 1/2 way around the world.

Governments were very simple. Based on family power progressions, ethnic, cultural laws. UNTIL -- the Imperialist divisions that CREATED nation states out of those countries now there.

You can't entirely put the "nation state" concept back in the genie bottle. But you COULD do a lot to unite that region in mutual trade and security cooperation. INCLUDING Israel. And it's my belief that the Palestinians are fortunate enough to be smack in the middle of all that economic opportunity.

Palestinians don't trust or like the "nation state" concept. They'd be happy with independent City States that have FULL connection to the neighbors and the rest of the world.

Because if if Israel COULD solve the entire "Palestinian Issue" ( they really can't do it alone) -- The Palestinians would still the pickle sandwiched between a bunch of Arab countries that doesn't like them..

Got to make it a REGIONAL solution.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Oh sure, harmony in the Holy Land. As long as you didn't mind the odd pogrom and massacre every couple of years or decades if you were Jewish. As long as you didn't mind the special Jew taxes. As long as you didn't mind having someone else's holy places usurp your own. As long as you didn't build your synagogues on a hill and didn't mind them destroyed every once in a while. As long as you behave like good dhimmis, there will be peace. Sorry, time is up for that.

Look you don't have answer now.

Rehmani, you have nothing but conspiracy theories to show.
From this thread you started to what is written in your signature.

There is no point in wasting any time with you as you wish to believe what you believe and that makes it impossible to have any discussions.

The conspiracy theory threads are on another community.

This community is to discuss the Israel/Palestinian conflict, and that is something you are not discussing at all.

 

[Shusha]

Oh sure, harmony in the Holy Land. As long as you didn't mind the odd pogrom and massacre every couple of years or decades if you were Jewish. As long as you didn't mind the special Jew taxes. As long as you didn't mind having someone else's holy places usurp your own. As long as you didn't build your synagogues on a hill and didn't mind them destroyed every once in a while. As long as you behave like good dhimmis, there will be peace. Sorry, time is up for that.

Look you don't have answer now.

On the contrary. The answer is simple. Self-determination for the Jewish people. Self-determination for the Arab peoples. Self-determination for ALL peoples. Easy peasy. Except when people believe there can only be harmony when THEY rule over others and deny other peoples self-determination.

Your replacement theology is not the solution. Its the problem.

 

[Rehmani]

Holy land should be not be divided at any cost, as solution is already there and lasted for not 1 or 2 years but lasted for 900 years until the elite forces destroyed the lasting peace. And It was a great example of multiculturalism and multi religion ism and people means Muslim,Christian and Jews were living in harmony. And to day's world especially western world facing problem how to create that harmony holy land had for 900 years. Means western world struggling to establish multicultural society in their countries.

Jews were living under oppression under Muslim Ottoman Empire.
They were being attacked every now and then.

Your fantasyland does not work in the real world.

This is a totally non necessary thread as there are more than enough of them about it at the top.

Post about the topic on those threads, do not start another one.

Please don't alter the history we all know that after the Jesus PBUH crucified means Roman adopted the Christianity as their religion and ask to Jews leave Holy Land.

May I ask where did you learn your history?
Which books?
Which country?

Ask to Roman.

That is not an answer.

The Romans are all gone, by the way. You should know that.
And you have clearly not learned all you are posting from any Roman.

look again you are ignoring the history, you are fighting for means your fight base on history too even though its full of lie.

 

[Rehmani]

Holy land should be not be divided at any cost, as solution is already there and lasted for not 1 or 2 years but lasted for 900 years until the elite forces destroyed the lasting peace. And It was a great example of multiculturalism and multi religion ism and people means Muslim,Christian and Jews were living in harmony. And to day's world especially western world facing problem how to create that harmony holy land had for 900 years. Means western world struggling to establish multicultural society in their countries.

Holy land should be not be divided at any cost,

I agree, send all those Muslims packing.
I hear Syria has room.

Means you don't have much for discussion. Are you fake? means paid agent.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Jews were living under oppression under Muslim Ottoman Empire.
They were being attacked every now and then.

Your fantasyland does not work in the real world.

This is a totally non necessary thread as there are more than enough of them about it at the top.

Post about the topic on those threads, do not start another one.

Please don't alter the history we all know that after the Jesus PBUH crucified means Roman adopted the Christianity as their religion and ask to Jews leave Holy Land.

May I ask where did you learn your history?
Which books?
Which country?

Ask to Roman.

That is not an answer.

The Romans are all gone, by the way. You should know that.
And you have clearly not learned all you are posting from any Roman.

look again you are ignoring the history, you are fighting for means your fight base on history too even though its full of lie.

You are totally ignorant about History, you come here with conspiracy theories about Jews, and ONLY about Jews, and we are supposed to take you seriously?

You do not even bother to give us any link to what you are saying, because any link would only show that you have learned these things from Israel and Jew hating sources.

And guess what !!! All of those sources do is lie about Jews and Israel.

So, until you back up your claims with evidence and proof, all you are doing is spreading conspiracy theories about Jews which you have learned from conspiracy theory books, lectures and other sources.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Holy land should be not be divided at any cost, as solution is already there and lasted for not 1 or 2 years but lasted for 900 years until the elite forces destroyed the lasting peace. And It was a great example of multiculturalism and multi religion ism and people means Muslim,Christian and Jews were living in harmony. And to day's world especially western world facing problem how to create that harmony holy land had for 900 years. Means western world struggling to establish multicultural society in their countries.

Holy land should be not be divided at any cost,

I agree, send all those Muslims packing.
I hear Syria has room.

Means you don't have much for discussion. Are you fake? means paid agent.

I love to discuss.
If we want a peaceful, undivided Holy Land, the Muslims have to leave.

 

[Rehmani]

Holy land should be not be divided at any cost, as solution is already there and lasted for not 1 or 2 years but lasted for 900 years until the elite forces destroyed the lasting peace. And It was a great example of multiculturalism and multi religion ism and people means Muslim,Christian and Jews were living in harmony. And to day's world especially western world facing problem how to create that harmony holy land had for 900 years. Means western world struggling to establish multicultural society in their countries.

I'll meet you half way here. The Holy Land should be LESS divided. Not just Israel and the Levant region. But including Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt and other WILLING nations.

If you look at the natural political and trade tendencies for that larger region -- there was MASSIVE amounts of trade wandering thru the Holy land. It was the rest stop for caravans going 1/2 way around the world.

Governments were very simple. Based on family power progressions, ethnic, cultural laws. UNTIL -- the Imperialist divisions that CREATED nation states out of those countries now there.

You can't entirely put the "nation state" concept back in the genie bottle. But you COULD do a lot to unite that region in mutual trade and security cooperation. INCLUDING Israel. And it's my belief that the Palestinians are fortunate enough to be smack in the middle of all that economic opportunity.

Palestinians don't trust or like the "nation state" concept. They'd be happy with independent City States that have FULL connection to the neighbors and the rest of the world.

Because if if Israel COULD solve the entire "Palestinian Issue" ( they really can't do it alone) -- The Palestinians would still the pickle sandwiched between a bunch of Arab countries that doesn't like them..

Got to make it a REGIONAL solution.

Please answer briefly. Second you explained well. As you know that this conflict base on history and there was peace in that history which last for 900 years. If you argue from the history it means jew known as a foreigners because they came from Iraq with Abraham PBUH and Loot AS and reside in Syria. Arab were there as a arab christian/arab pagan.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Holy land should be not be divided at any cost, as solution is already there and lasted for not 1 or 2 years but lasted for 900 years until the elite forces destroyed the lasting peace. And It was a great example of multiculturalism and multi religion ism and people means Muslim,Christian and Jews were living in harmony. And to day's world especially western world facing problem how to create that harmony holy land had for 900 years. Means western world struggling to establish multicultural society in their countries.

I'll meet you half way here. The Holy Land should be LESS divided. Not just Israel and the Levant region. But including Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt and other WILLING nations.

If you look at the natural political and trade tendencies for that larger region -- there was MASSIVE amounts of trade wandering thru the Holy land. It was the rest stop for caravans going 1/2 way around the world.

Governments were very simple. Based on family power progressions, ethnic, cultural laws. UNTIL -- the Imperialist divisions that CREATED nation states out of those countries now there.

You can't entirely put the "nation state" concept back in the genie bottle. But you COULD do a lot to unite that region in mutual trade and security cooperation. INCLUDING Israel. And it's my belief that the Palestinians are fortunate enough to be smack in the middle of all that economic opportunity.

Palestinians don't trust or like the "nation state" concept. They'd be happy with independent City States that have FULL connection to the neighbors and the rest of the world.

Because if if Israel COULD solve the entire "Palestinian Issue" ( they really can't do it alone) -- The Palestinians would still the pickle sandwiched between a bunch of Arab countries that doesn't like them..

Got to make it a REGIONAL solution.

Please answer briefly. Second you explained well. As you know that this conflict base on history and there was peace in that history which last for 900 years. If you argue from the history it means jew known as a foreigners because they came from Iraq with Abraham PBUH and Loot AS and reside in Syria. Arab were there as a arab christian/arab pagan.

Give us your sources for these claims.

 

[Rehmani]

Oh sure, harmony in the Holy Land. As long as you didn't mind the odd pogrom and massacre every couple of years or decades if you were Jewish. As long as you didn't mind the special Jew taxes. As long as you didn't mind having someone else's holy places usurp your own. As long as you didn't build your synagogues on a hill and didn't mind them destroyed every once in a while. As long as you behave like good dhimmis, there will be peace. Sorry, time is up for that.

Look you don't have answer now.

On the contrary. The answer is simple. Self-determination for the Jewish people. Self-determination for the Arab peoples. Self-determination for ALL peoples. Easy peasy. Except when people believe there can only be harmony when THEY rule over others and deny other peoples self-determination.

Your replacement theology is not the solution. Its the problem.

But it worked for 900 years and it was the only multicultural society in the world. You can not ignore the facts. If you will ignore the facts then means peace only last when its base on truth.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Oh sure, harmony in the Holy Land. As long as you didn't mind the odd pogrom and massacre every couple of years or decades if you were Jewish. As long as you didn't mind the special Jew taxes. As long as you didn't mind having someone else's holy places usurp your own. As long as you didn't build your synagogues on a hill and didn't mind them destroyed every once in a while. As long as you behave like good dhimmis, there will be peace. Sorry, time is up for that.

Look you don't have answer now.

On the contrary. The answer is simple. Self-determination for the Jewish people. Self-determination for the Arab peoples. Self-determination for ALL peoples. Easy peasy. Except when people believe there can only be harmony when THEY rule over others and deny other peoples self-determination.

Your replacement theology is not the solution. Its the problem.

But it worked for 900 years and it was the only multicultural society in the world. You can not ignore the facts. If you will ignore the facts then means peace only last when its base on truth.

Here is how your fantasy dissolves :



See also: Islam and antisemitism, Islamic–Jewish relations, and Antisemitism in the Arab world

Historian Martin Gilbert writes that it was in the 19th century that the position of Jews worsened in Muslim countries.[30]According to Mark Cohen in The Oxford Handbook of Jewish Studies, most scholars conclude that Arab anti-Semitism in the modern world arose in the nineteenth century, against the backdrop of conflicting Jewish and Arab nationalism, and was imported into the Arab world primarily by nationalistically minded Christian Arabs (and only subsequently was it "Islamized").[31]

There was a massacre of Jews in Baghdad in 1828.[32] There was a massacre of Jews in Barfurush in 1867.[32]

In 1865, when the equality of all subjects of the Ottoman Empire was proclaimed, Cevdet Pasha, a high-ranking official observed: "whereas in former times, in the Ottoman State, the communities were ranked, with the Muslims first, then the Greeks, then the Armenians, then the Jews, now all of them were put on the same level. Some Greeks objected to this, saying: 'The government has put us together with the Jews. We were content with the supremacy of Islam.'"[33]

Throughout the 1860s, the Jews of Libya were subjected to what Gilbert calls punitive taxation. In 1864, around 500 Jews were killed in Marrakech and Fezin Morocco. In 1869, 18 Jews were killed in Tunis, and an Arab mob looted Jewish homes and stores, and burned synagogues, on Jerba Island. In 1875, 20 Jews were killed by a mob in Demnat, Morocco; elsewhere in Morocco, Jews were attacked and killed in the streets in broad daylight. In 1891, the leading Muslims in Jerusalem asked the Ottoman authorities in Constantinople to prohibit the entry of Jews arriving from Russia. In 1897, synagogues were ransacked and Jews were murdered in Tripolitania.[30]

Benny Morris writes that one symbol of Jewish degradation was the phenomenon of stone-throwing at Jews by Muslim children. Morris quotes a 19th-century traveler:

I have seen a little fellow of six years old, with a troop of fat toddlers of only three and four, teaching [them] to throw stones at a Jew, and one little urchin would, with the greatest coolness, waddle up to the man and literally spit upon his Jewish gaberdine. To all this the Jew is obliged to submit; it would be more than his life was worth to offer to strike a Mahommedan.[34]

History of the Jews in the Ottoman Empire - Wikipedia

 

[Shusha]

Holy land should be not be divided at any cost, as solution is already there and lasted for not 1 or 2 years but lasted for 900 years until the elite forces destroyed the lasting peace. And It was a great example of multiculturalism and multi religion ism and people means Muslim,Christian and Jews were living in harmony. And to day's world especially western world facing problem how to create that harmony holy land had for 900 years. Means western world struggling to establish multicultural society in their countries.

I'll meet you half way here. The Holy Land should be LESS divided. Not just Israel and the Levant region. But including Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt and other WILLING nations.

If you look at the natural political and trade tendencies for that larger region -- there was MASSIVE amounts of trade wandering thru the Holy land. It was the rest stop for caravans going 1/2 way around the world.

Governments were very simple. Based on family power progressions, ethnic, cultural laws. UNTIL -- the Imperialist divisions that CREATED nation states out of those countries now there.

You can't entirely put the "nation state" concept back in the genie bottle. But you COULD do a lot to unite that region in mutual trade and security cooperation. INCLUDING Israel. And it's my belief that the Palestinians are fortunate enough to be smack in the middle of all that economic opportunity.

Palestinians don't trust or like the "nation state" concept. They'd be happy with independent City States that have FULL connection to the neighbors and the rest of the world.

Because if if Israel COULD solve the entire "Palestinian Issue" ( they really can't do it alone) -- The Palestinians would still the pickle sandwiched between a bunch of Arab countries that doesn't like them..

Got to make it a REGIONAL solution.

Please answer briefly. Second you explained well. As you know that this conflict base on history and there was peace in that history which last for 900 years. If you argue from the history it means jew known as a foreigners because they came from Iraq with Abraham PBUH and Loot AS and reside in Syria. Arab were there as a arab christian/arab pagan.

Wait, what?! So you are trying to argue that Iraq and Syria are the homelands for the Jewish people and they should have set up their self-determination there?

 

[Shusha]

Oh sure, harmony in the Holy Land. As long as you didn't mind the odd pogrom and massacre every couple of years or decades if you were Jewish. As long as you didn't mind the special Jew taxes. As long as you didn't mind having someone else's holy places usurp your own. As long as you didn't build your synagogues on a hill and didn't mind them destroyed every once in a while. As long as you behave like good dhimmis, there will be peace. Sorry, time is up for that.

Look you don't have answer now.

On the contrary. The answer is simple. Self-determination for the Jewish people. Self-determination for the Arab peoples. Self-determination for ALL peoples. Easy peasy. Except when people believe there can only be harmony when THEY rule over others and deny other peoples self-determination.

Your replacement theology is not the solution. Its the problem.

But it worked for 900 years and it was the only multicultural society in the world. You can not ignore the facts. If you will ignore the facts then means peace only last when its base on truth.

It DID NOT work for 900 years, if you were the oppressed people who experienced replacement, invasion, colonization, pogroms, massacres, special taxes, ghettos and dhimmi status.

Its like saying that slavery in America "worked" and there was harmony and multi-culturalism there. Ugh. That is ugly.

Your replacement theology is not the solution. Its the problem.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Oh sure, harmony in the Holy Land. As long as you didn't mind the odd pogrom and massacre every couple of years or decades if you were Jewish. As long as you didn't mind the special Jew taxes. As long as you didn't mind having someone else's holy places usurp your own. As long as you didn't build your synagogues on a hill and didn't mind them destroyed every once in a while. As long as you behave like good dhimmis, there will be peace. Sorry, time is up for that.

Look you don't have answer now.

On the contrary. The answer is simple. Self-determination for the Jewish people. Self-determination for the Arab peoples. Self-determination for ALL peoples. Easy peasy. Except when people believe there can only be harmony when THEY rule over others and deny other peoples self-determination.

Your replacement theology is not the solution. Its the problem.

But it worked for 900 years and it was the only multicultural society in the world. You can not ignore the facts. If you will ignore the facts then means peace only last when its base on truth.

It DID NOT work for 900 years, if you were the oppressed people who experienced replacement, invasion, colonization, pogroms, massacres, special taxes, ghettos and dhimmi status.

Its like saying that slavery in America "worked" and there was harmony and multi-culturalism there. Ugh. That is ugly.

Your replacement theology is not the solution. Its the problem.

I am finding it odd how the peace and harmony started 900 years ago. That would be around the times of the Crusades, and not the time of the Ottoman Empire.

And then, one forgets of all the harmony which existed from the 7th century on when the Muslim Arabs invaded outside of their Arabian Peninsula.

Or the harmony which existed during the Byzantine time, or the Roman time before that.

Now, where does that 900 years, comes from?

And the insistence that Arabs were already living on the land, from the time of Abraham, or before. ( I know I have read that from another poster. It is a preferred conspiracy theory about the Land of Israel these days )

 

[Shusha]

And the insistence that Arabs were already living on the land, from the time of Abraham, or before. ( I know I have read that from another poster. It is a preferred conspiracy theory about the Land of Israel these days )

That is just crazy-ass replacement theology. That the Arabs preceded the Jewish people in that place. It twists all meanings of culture and indigeneity and pretty much any other meaningful definition of a people. Desperate measures, tbh.

 

[Sixties Fan]

And the insistence that Arabs were already living on the land, from the time of Abraham, or before. ( I know I have read that from another poster. It is a preferred conspiracy theory about the Land of Israel these days )

That is just crazy-ass replacement theology. That the Arabs preceded the Jewish people in that place. It twists all meanings of culture and indigeneity and pretty much any other meaningful definition of a people. Desperate measures, tbh.

If one re reads post 32, the very last sentence could be very telling.
It almost sounds as if the Christianity was there at the time of Abraham, but the Jews were not there.

"f you argue from the history it means jew known as a foreigners because they came from Iraq with Abraham PBUH and Loot AS and reside in Syria. Arab were there as a arab christian/arab pagan."

Now, how in the world did ALL Jews come from Mesopotamia (not Iraq) along with Abraham.

Again, this person has not read the Torah, and is getting their fantasies from conspiracy theory sources aimed at destroying the history of the Jewish people.

Some people !!!!